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Tech Samurai

2y↑1

There are also 2 very important considerations when it comes to 8k and 4k.

The first one is that the average human eye isn't capable of perceiving the detail of 4k, let alone 8k.

The second is the usage of extra electricity for no improvement.

It should be noted, though, that OLEDs use a lot less power than LEDs and calibrated TVs use a fraction of power especially LEDs (I guess they turn down the brightness massively😁). This is not so much a consideration for cost but more a consideration of our collective electricity use and impact on the environment. 100 million 1080p TVs vs 100 million 8k TVs is a big difference in electrical demands. And going from 55 inch to 85 inch also bumps that up.

The good news is that LEDs were much more efficient than plasma and OLEDs are much more efficient than LEDs so we are headed in the right direction.

Tech Samurai

2y↑2

I think 8k is most important for large TVs due to the lower ppi with 4k. It quadruples the ppi which makes sense when a 98 inch tv is 3 times larger than a 55 inch. Essentially, the 98 inch gets the same ppl as a 55 inch.

As for gaming, 8k on TVs will never happen. It’s really, really hard to tell the difference between 1440p and 2160p with Upscaling. Most games offer DRS (dynamic resolution scaling) and out of 300 million gamers, not 1 has noticed a resolution drop ever between 2k and 4k.

As for streaming, we are still trying to get 1080p bluray level streaming at 30mbps in terms of video. In terms of audio, the sound resolution is beaten by a DVD DTS soundtrack by a significant margin 1.5 mbps vs 768 kbps for the best sound out there. It still sounds glorious and looks glorious but it’s not a blu-ray in terms of visuals or audio.

As for UHDs, I have a library of 3d blu-rays along with millions of other people which are no longer supported. Why would I pay $10 more per movie for another library when manufacturers discontinued support for my previous library? Was it that hard to support 3d for premium TVs? Streaming has nearly completely replaced physical media and UHDs are a small fraction of sales partly due to the lack of support from enthusiasts which is understandable. Who knows if HDR will always be supported or not replaced by a new format just like 3d was?

As for cable, it’s going in the opposite direction and from being close to 1080p 10 years ago, it's now closer to 480p judging by the size of each recording on the DVR. There’s a big difference between 480p and 8k like 81x more 😁 It's hard to believe that we have to watch soccer at a resolution that's 81 times lower than the TV's native resolution. Argh!!!

Can someone pin this please? Thank you!

sammy10001

2y↑1

Why don't we just Ditch the blue ray and physical disc...

On the panel, the person sitting left of Caleb said there was already equipment out and HAVE ALREADY been filming 8k.

He also said problem is remastering on a disc.

Okay, if step 1 to 8k implementation is physical first, streaming second, why don't we Ditch the useless DVD players and disc's and sell 8k movies on a flash drive/ thumb drive.

Then you plug that 8k movie that comes in a thumb drive into your TV port...

Why do we need an outdated system such ad a DVD player that costs $300... and holding us back from 8k because a disc can't store all the content???

Hello... we moved away from disc's to flash drives for file storage 10 years Ago! Why have we not moved on with movies lmfao

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Chris D

2y↑8

I think the bandwidth issues and also wall size issue will keep 8K limited to enthusiasts for quite some time.

The average consumer currently doesn’t even know how to get the most out of a 4K display.

James Campbell

2y↑1

Before we go any higher on resolution, they need to tackle motion resolution and motion picture response time. LCD has been too slow since it was introduced to replace CRT displays. If manufacturers had very good backlight strobing implementations, LCD might be able to overcome some of these issues since we have HDR. The other issue is raw bandwidth requirements. 8K is insanely data intensive, even when its compressed, and when its compressed it is still lossy. OLED looks great, it has very good MPRT, but its not bright enough to leverage it for higher motion resolution.

To put it another way: No LCD or OLED can give you a motion resolution higher than 600 lines without some form of interpolation. There is image data on your old Blu Rays that you will simply never see clearly when the picture is in motion. 4k and 8k in motion is subject to the same 600 line ceiling unless there is interpolation.

This is where manufacturers need to focus.

Tech Samurai

2y↑1

Tech Samurai

@flim flam Not sure, what you mean. What's a meme "the 2 important considerations" or the bullets themselves?

flim flam

it's a shame you started your post with such a meme of a line that it made your actual valid points after feel like they lost their credibility lol.

Jürgen Wahlen

2y↑3

Worldwide there is one 8K cable programme in Japan. 4K blu-ray is a niche (to expense), 8K blu-ray will never come on the market.

Joe S

2y↑4

Why don't manufacturers give us option to buy a TV "monitor" without speakers? This would be a great option for all of us who have sound systems and never use the TV speakers. How much cheaper would, for example, a Sony TV be if it didn't have all of those speaker and "screen audio" technologies that we have to purchase but never use?

haukionkannel

@Joe S
Only certain models... There are few TV-models that don´t have speakers.

Joe S

@Shane Lee Really? Any model? And it would be cheaper?

Shane Lee

You can get these without speakers. You need to call the store and request which model.

Joe S

@haukionkannel I think you missed the point of my Comment because I used the word "monitor." What I really meant is why don't TV manufacturers sell versions of their premium products without speakers? (Or perhaps with a super-cheap mono soeaker.) It would give those of us with sound systems a cheaper alternative since we never use the audio technology built in to premium TVs. Companies like Sony and probably even LG do a lot of research into TV audio and build in some expensive technology that anyone with a soundbar or home theater will never use. So why should we have to pay for tech we'll never use?

haukionkannel

The burn in in monitors is bigger than in normal TV usage, so they don´t want to take a risk. Monitors are also more than just delivering picture. delays and things like that requires more work to work well. We still see monitors that does not work well. Just see Samsun new g8 that is rather bad!
All that development cost money!

High Def News

2y↑22

I’m really not interested in 8K. I’d rather manufacturers focus on higher brightness, improved HDR implementation, & better OOTB calibration before forcing a higher resolution on customers that has virtually no commercial content currently available & no plan for it on the horizon.

haukionkannel

The point is that better brightness and all that fancy better tech goes to (k and after that 16K TV sets. Soon only the very worst low end walmart TV sets use 4k with bad picture quality. If you want to get good quality picture you have to buy 8k or 16k TV!
And it has nothing to do with the resolution itself, it is just the way manufacturers are gonna do it!

MrPimpJuiice

@SOUTH WEST KINEMA check how much it takes for a cgi heavy movie, to render a single 2k+ frame.. and how much space will it take to put it on a bluray disc

High Def News

2y↑1

@Luke Markets work by ignoring customer demand?

Echo

2y↑2

@SOUTH WEST KINEMA What, most mainstream broadcasting around the world is at 1K and some at 2K... When do you think 8k will be the broadcasting norm? Especially as its Not Consumer led... 🤔

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Geovanny Zuniga

2y↑2

Premium LG 88 inches goes for 25k..when I hit the jackpot I'll be able to buy it.

Craig Osterberg

Great upgrade for this year. Now have the prices come down.

Dr. P aka “Doc”

2y↑1

I love 4K. However, I have had a problem with 4K discs stopping and pixelization, even with new discs. I’ve even tried different players. Anyone with insight? This needs to be addressed.

Mike Boone

@Dr. P aka “Doc” You're certainly quite welcome Doc! It's always gratifying for me to feel that some comments I'm able to offer may be of some assistance to a fellow home theater fan. BTW, since getting that Panny UHD 4K player, along with a Sony 77" OLED, plus a Denon receiver in March 2021, I've only managed to collect 43 movies on 4K BD, though it appears that we may be able to accelerate our rate, somewhat, of acquiring additional UHD BDs, starting fairly soon.
Anyhow Doc, my best wishes to you, that hope for you enjoying our tremendously fun pastime more & more as the months & years go by, while you experience an absolute minimum amount of difficulty with any other 4K Blu-rays giving you more trouble. Be safe, my friend!

Dr. P aka “Doc”

2y↑1

@Mike Boone What are the odds. I just bought that player as a hoped solution to my LG 4K player plus for the 820 processor. The good news is that it has happened on two discs with less disruption than the other player. So, I will go forward and hope that it does not continue. But it’s frustrating to stop during a movie and my 4K collection is really growing. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me.

Mike Boone

2y↑2

The Panasonic UB-820 UHD 4K BD player has a reputation of being one player that users can count on to get through 4K BDs without freezing up. And that problem of freeze ups, that seems to even plague most Sony UHD players, as some very long movies are played (and I've always liked Sony products) is something that seems to crop up most often with movies LONGER than about 2 hr 40 min, which are movies that require using a 3rd layer of video data that seems to cause problems with many UHD BD players as they attempt to switch over to reading that 3rd layer of data. But I've used Panasonic's UB-820 UHD BD player since March 2021, including using it for movies 2 hr 50 min & 2hr 55 min long, as well as with 2 movies over 3 hr 15 min long, and have never had problem with any movie stopping!

Neil Taylor

2y↑7

They only had one microphone

Adam Longaway

and I just want a new passive 3D tv like the LG 2016 OLEDs.

Michael Wyckoff

2y↑1

Is it time to upgrade to 8k or is 4k still the way to go especially with iittle to none 8k content?

Michael Wyckoff

2y↑3

@Tech Samurai what I usually do is see what resolution the TV show was broadcast on from the OTA channel. Usually they are 720p or 1080i. And even the lowly 480p.

Tech Samurai

2y↑1

@Michael Wyckoff Yeah, you're right about that. Ideally, you want to watch all content at the original resolution. You don't want your streamer to upscale it - you want your TV to do the upscaling as they are much, much better at upscaling. What's your current TV?

Unfortunately, streamers only allow a resolution to be picked as a general setting - ditto for Verizon FIOS. Sports are usually streamed at 720p but I have it set to output at 1080p (which might be stupid, if the content is limited to 1080i). I should probably allow my TV to upscale it from 1080i upwards.

It would be nice to make it easier to switch resolutions more easily with the content provider also listing the native resolution of the content so your stream can match it. It'd be even better if TVs supported a streaming content resolution match feature so that everything streamed at its optimal resolution almost like ALLM.

Michael Wyckoff

2y↑1

@peerguy Wow you really put the icing on the cake. I'm not rich middle class or poor. I'm just a human being.

peerguy

2y↑1

1. If you’re rich (really rich 🤑), go ahead and buy a 8k panel. It’ll be outdated quickly with technology standardization and optimization.

2. If you’re middle class, go ahead and buy supporting infrastructure like 8k capable receiver / processor. Don’t waste money on a 8k panel now and wait for the kinks to be ironed out over the next 5 years.

3. If you’re poor, you have no business asking this question. Stick to your 1080p panel and content player. It’s good enough and will be relevant for another decade.

Michael Wyckoff

2y↑1

@Tech Samurai thanks for your response. I've tried watching the show in other resolution but it looked the best in 720p because I believe that's the original resolution. At the end of the day it all boils down to what you like. I think the show I mentioned before looks awesome in 720p and some upscaling

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LOSETHEFATMAN

2y↑6

Without watching 100% sure value electronics guy says this year is the biggest leap in tech ever…..like it was last year…and every year before…

daddio77

8K is useless in my opinion for screen sizes below "100

Mike Boone

About a year ago, Brian of the terrific Brian'sTechTherapy channel (known back then as WhisperStatus74) was opining that as flat panel TVs got significantly larger than the 83" 4K LG OLED he had, 4K probably WOULDN'T be a high enough resolution any longer to avoid such large panels looking soft, which was NOT a problem with his 83" LG. BUT, fast forwarding to several months later, when Brian was at Value Electronics observing the then new 98 & 100 inch 4K panels from Samsung & Sony, that Robert Zohn was introducing, Brian commented that even at a close 7 ft. viewing distance, those massive 4K panels were displaying video images that weren't soft, at all, but were as sharp as a tack.
And next year (or late this year) LG is expected to introduce a 97 inch 4K OLED at a price that's often estimated to end up being somewhere in the $24,000 to $27,000 price range, if not slightly higher. Now IMO, LG would not want to introduce such an expensive new model if its 4K resolution would create ANY practical compromise in picture quality. And though I'm sure not aware of it, perhaps in the case of that upcoming 97 inch OLED, LG will be managing to accomplish some feat of picture processing, that will go beyond the processing abilities of its current 8K OLEDs.
Now of course, all of us already know that LG's current line of OLED panels already includes an 8K 88" model which retails for about $25,000. However, if the 97" 4K OLED that LG will be introducing, does indeed end up displaying video images as spectacular as many home theater enthusiasts (like me) expect that they'll look, then I'd think that such a reality, as a practical matter, would leave those folks who are interested in buying 8K OLEDs, just gaining the advantage of bragging rights for being able to have the highest resolution OLEDs in their homes.

Jim Herd

That’s interesting. If I get the chance I might get a 77” G2. I’d need to move to get anything bigger. It’s a bit of a sweet spot price wise too. When they finally do flexible OLED screens that can roll down from the ceiling for a reasonable price that’ll be me happy finally. If a 143” is too much for some 4K discs, that puts a limit on the kind of projector screen I’d want which is too bad. I don’t have an old school film projector so it would be a bit of a waste to go much over 100” for a projector I suppose.

RCash91

2y↑10

8k like 3D tvs will go under and stop being produced. 4k and physical media needs to continue to be adopted and supported

haukionkannel

@Jim Herd
Upscaling has limits, but it can be better than having none. You can get the material sharper, but there in evitable will be digital artefacts. The more you have processing power, the cleaner upscaling can look. But in movies there are no movement vectors and similar info they use in the game upscaling, so TV-picture upscaling will always be worse than what they can do in the games.
That also means that streaming services will always have some problem because they have to reduce the bitrate and use other tricks to reduce the band wide. But based on my friends. Even not so high quality 1080p is enough to them, so they don´t need 16K TV sets never. The point just is that they will release those, even if there are no demand and then just make 4K poor enough, so people move to 8k and higher.

Jim Herd

@haukionkannel Yes. I think so. They’ll have to have very good upscaling although I’m not sure they’ll be able to do much with poor source material. People might have to use external scaling hardware to get the best results. We’ll see.

haukionkannel

@roof pizza
Streaming does not handle even 4K properly, so no... Physical media is the only sensible format to high quality content. Also you lose you digital material in any day, so no point of buying digital content, because you can lose it at any day. The last example in in Europe where customers lose their digital movies, because content creator did lose the rights to those contents!

haukionkannel

We will get 16K tv and 8k becomes mainstream. It will happen! 4k will remain low end low quality option that get the old tech years later than 16K and 8k will get those...

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reviewforthetube

Very cool!

Raffa

2y↑1

Sadly, I don't see a physical disc able to contain 8k movies (or simply the will to do it for the movie majors), so are we talking only VOD content here? It's a bit sad to my perspective. You don't really collect movies on SVOD or VOD.

Zorin Toto

2y↑1

@Barcelona's Hot Crowd what are you talking about . Unreliable ? Was laserdisk the last time u used optical media ?

Barcelona's Hot Crowd

8K iTunes could be the way for thinking out of the box. Optical media is old and horrendously unreliable. What is to stop streaming in time using ProRes 422 LT with a 300 mbps instead of HEVC, h266 etc. or ProRes 422HQ (which is the codec that all iTunes films are delivered in before conversion). 10 years ago 1-6 mbps broadband was the norm, now it's 1000 mbps in the European cities and beyond and things are constantly getting better!

Zorin Toto

2y↑1

@Raffa I'm gonna take a look what is comprised in the full 4k rip of dune and come back here and just see for curiosity sake .

Raffa

2y↑1

@Zorin Toto 8K movies (like a 2h or 2h30 movie) on a 50gb Blu-ray? Not with the compression algorithms we have on disc these days. Don't forget multiple languages soundtrack, generally vost and dubbed.

Zorin Toto

2y↑1

I feel like movies are generally over bloated . You can fit 8k on a blue ray disk

I can't tell the difference between a video rip that was compressed by 50% compared to the original on a high end monitor

Also I wish they stopped with the endless variants of the audio files . I don't need pcm and DTS and DTS MA on the same disk

Bruce Rider

2y↑1

I am not (quite) ready to replace my 1080p Sony, but this conversation has me convinced my next family room TV will be 8K or a laser projector. If our current TV can hold on for two years, at the current rate of development/ innovation, “jumping” to 8K will likely be a easy choice.

Chubb

2y↑3

I wonder if these guys were pushing for 3D 10 years ago as much as they're pushing for 8K now. lol

haukionkannel

Ofcourse... They live on new stuff.
But so also live TV manufacturers, so 8k is hapening! Soon if you want to have good quality picture, you have to find used 4k tv from 2022 to 2024. All the new and best tech will go to 8K and 16k tv sets. So even if we customers don´t want it, manufacturers will force us to 8k or you have to buy subpar 4k instead.

Tech Samurai

2y↑2

Loki 76

2y↑1

8K gaming wouldn't be hard on PC at 60fps when it comes to the high end GPUs coming out this year. Just not really a point playing at that resolution when instead you can do 120hz 4K etc.
8K is good likely already at 75-85" and up because of PPI. But at the same time when you upscale 4K it uses 4 pixels to display 1 pixel. So it's a moot point in a sense.

8K is pointless since the content isn't there. If I ever choose an 8K model like say 900B, it solely because of HDR brightness impact, dimming zone count etc etc. It's the best looking Samsung, along with S95B.

M

2y↑8

I think 8k is utterly pointless, and I've chased resolution ever since 640p on a pc, and upgraded my TV as soon as the high res came in. But now 4k is the peak in my opinion and I'd rather we focused on picture quality. On PC I'm not even on 4k yet, still running 1440p at 160fps with ultra settings. 4k is just not needed.

haukionkannel

It does not matter!
The tech company will move to 8k and after that they will move to 16k... It will happen and you only can buy crap 4k TV sets that are worse than we have now at low end, when good stuff goes to 8K and higher...

Mike Boone

M, the reason that I agree with you is because of research done by Sony regarding the ability of people to see the smallest details that 4K resolution provides, at various viewing distances, as TVs of specific sizes are used. And BTW, when 4K TVs were being introduced to the U.S. market in 2013, many video experts writing magazine & internet articles, agreed with the results that Sony's tests had found.

First of all, the test subjects which Sony used for measuring the ability of viewers to perceive fine detail, were people who had 20/20 vision. Tests have shown that only about 1 in 6 people have vision as good as 20/20 without needing the aid of glasses or contact lenses to correct their vision to 20/20. So in testing the ability of folks with 20/20 vision to see the smallest details that 4K resolution can provide, Sony found that for a given size 4K TV screen, folks with such vision must have their eyes NO FURTHER than a 1.5 screen height distance from a 4K TV, showing native 4K video, to be able to see the smallest details that 4K provides. And screen heights of 4K & 8K TVs can be found by multiplying screen size by a .49 factor. So an 85" TV, for example, has a screen height of about 41.65". And if we multiply that 41.65" screen height by 1.5, the resulting figure of 62.47", or a little over 5 feet 2 inches, is the MAXIMUM distance that the eyes of a person with 20/20 vision can be from that 85 inch 4K TV, to still allow that viewer to see the very finest details that native 4K resolution is capable of displaying.

It's doubtful that even the people I know who are the most avid fans of movies shown in very large theaters, would be comfortable viewing movies for 2 hrs as they sit only about 5 ft. 2" from an 85" TV! And 8K's finer details vs. 4K, would obviously require a viewing distance from that same size 85" TV that's CONSIDERABLY CLOSER to that TV, for folks to really notice a major 8K improvement vs. 4K. Anyway, it's obvious that 99% of Americans aren't even willing to sit close enough to their 4K TVs to be able to appreciate the full extent of improvement in clarity & detail that 4K resolution could give to them vs. the 1080p resolution of regular Blu-ray, so going up to 8K resolution wouldn't even be noticed!

sammy10001

2y↑1

Chubb

I think because selling movies on a flash drive is more expensive than an optical disc.

Barcelona's Hot Crowd

Simple. They bought by traditionalists! And that's the problem! Can't see todays smart TVs playing an 8K film reliably though - most smart TVs are as laggy as hell and stop getting updates. I'll stick to the Apple TV thanks. The future really is streaming / iTunes / SONY Bravia style with large bit rates and hopefully one day, a lossless audio option. Why continue to use HEVC/AV1/h.266 in a limitless internet age when ProRes 422 LT or 422 HQ could be offered with 300 mbps or even 700 mbps files. That could be the future!

Michael Piatkowski

8k is the work of the devil and it's here to do the devil work

Keeping Up With The Jones'

6K would be the devil's work 😅🤣😭

vincesutube

You can watch Philadelphia in 8K

Emre İsiklar

2y↑3

We are not even 4k yet:)

Emre İsiklar

@Kenji Polk Audio what is the percentage of the 4k content in your tv consumption? Or it is all 8,6k in the 🤡 world that you are living?

Kenji Polk Audio

2y↑1

Have you been in a coma?

tony sarohia

2y↑1

4k is a waste of money, its not much better than bluray, completely shit, cinema is the best picture and sound quality

Kenji Polk Audio

2y↑2

Laserdisc is still King along with VHS hahahaha

F Smith

2y↑6

Are you blind? Give ambulance. Joker. A watch in uhd blu-ray disk and compared to the blu-ray. There's a big difference in the clarity of the image!

Q

2y↑8

True 4K image is far superior then blu ray , your probably talking about poorly upscaled 4K transfers in which there is sometimes little difference to blu ray