Umor is a loud and heavy atmospheric band with stoner and doom influences, … Read Full Bio ↴Umor is a loud and heavy atmospheric band with stoner and doom influences, based in Zagreb, Croatia.

Deconstructing audible landscapes through several European tours since 2008.

A four-piece, single guitar driven, usually described as a sonic
assault of low frequencies with a Floydian twist.

Their current label is a self founded DIY collective called Sonic Doom Records, which published their Split CD with Cojones (2008) and a Self Titled EP (2009).
First full length album - Pralayaah - was mastered by James Plotkin of Khanate, and released on May 6th 2011.
Second full length album - Held Us Silent For A Moment was released in April 2014, digital, cd and now also on vinyl.

Umor is: DIY, dowtuned
Band members:
Goran Vlasic, vocals
Antun Maloseja, bass guitar
Sanjin Anic, drums
Branimir Bozak, guitar

Official website is:
http://www.umor.bandcamp.com

Rift
Umor Lyrics

We have lyrics for 'Rift' by these artists:

Afterimage A radical corruption constricts the source Total depravity i…
G-Rex Rip me up it's just my luck Can't break this rift I'm…
Hansom Ēli Seeking Refuge In The Familiar In The Familiar Blinded By T…
Imperative Reaction Here I stand all alone Drowning in regret I have myself to…
J.K. Wiechert Cause I'm slipping through the Rift, nah Yeah, that's why it…
Joshua Creek In a reversal of fortune Infection riddles the body that…
KOMIL Tętno się zmienia kiedy grasz sam Kiedy walka się przemienia…
LUCA & There is a fox It's like we mean To talk while listening Monotonous deliver…
MIKE KOTA In the dead of night I drift like wind chimes Tired eyes…

Mortal You say you'll lift me up You say you'll cover me You…
My Favourite Nemesis And now it's all caved in I feel my heart crashing I'm…
Nights I dream too much, dream a dream where I am…
Northlane I'm not afraid Of the void Between me and you The things th…
OmenXIII I Took my phone off flyin mode Cuz I think Slims…
Phish Last night, in the moments my thoughts were adrift And coast…
Phish (W/ Carlos Santana**) Last night, in the moments my thoughts were adrift And coas…
Phish and Santana Last night, in the moments my thoughts were adrift And coast…
Quarters of Change It's Quarters Of Change, bitch Like to carry much inside my…
Singularity We're drifting apart now The silence is so loud Oh, I c…
Singularity ft. Jenn Lucas We're drifting apart now The silence is so loud Oh, I can't…
still haze Ride around the outskirts Dig your thorns into my skin Sca…
V.$.V.P. G.L.T.C.H. Rip me up it's just my luck Can't break this rift I'm…

Vince Neil The circle you are in Has lost it's form On…

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David Campbell

3y↑62

Yes, Yes, Yes. Also i'm extremely frustrated and annoyed at how clueless josh seems to be. No abilities? Okay you fixed that later. However, spent the majority talking about 'raids' that he joined through the "Instant Adventure" menu. The 'Raids' you were in were added much later so Trion could recycle content that was too hard for 99% of the players to experience. They weren't meant to be raids, they were meant to allow players to level up alternatively. Yes the game is on life support, but the bulk of your video is wrong solely because you couldn't break outside the thought that you knew.

The encounters in IA's scale yes, but are tuned so that 1-2 players in a group of 20 could do them. How can you be invested in something if there is no potential for failure? That is a problem with IA's for sure, and now that the game has been out so long it's starting to be a problem in actual raids at endgame. Admittedly you probably never would see an actual dungeon group queue before level 65. Normal dungeons are 10x harder than IA's and i'm fairly confident that if you went in with 4 other new/leveling players you would become emotionally invested in the success/failure of the group.

In the IA's most the stuff you took damage to would of been a 1 shot in the real versions at release. You'll never know the emotional roller-coaster of fighting that giant squid in a 20minute encounter with 0 deaths in raid. Only so that when the boss is at 0.5% hp a player in your group uses their charge ability and dies in one hit to the bosses breath attack, preventing everyone from getting the 0 deaths during encounter achievement. You stood in that attack for what seemed like an eternity.

I can understand why you aren't emotionally invested, but the video was 99% you talking about how certain things that felt wrong to you didn't live up to your expectation. The problem with this is that the things you talked about weren't what you thought they were.

The class and ability system of rift is by far the biggest draw to the game as far as combat goes. You didn't even use an ability the majority of the intro. Facing difficult quests/dungeons/raids that get you invested in others/achieving a goal which help you get emotionally invested in the game... Again, you did none of it. You went to the thing purpose built for being able to jump in/out of without any consequences and then talked about how there was no emotional investment.

There is just so much that is left out about rift. Spent 30 seconds of 44 minutes talking about the main draw of the game for combat.
Never experienced dimensions (personal housing).
Never experienced dungeons.
Never experienced raids (of course, but at max level they happen all the time)
Never experienced (afaik) a true story quest line.
No mention of artifacts.
No talk about guilds.
Never even visted the first main city (which is in the first zone out of tutorial).

Like, most of the praise given was about how good the world building was but you never even glimpsed the world. You opened the map and saw a gigantic world then looked at 1/5th of the first zone, proceeded into instanced content and complained about how the content was instanced.

Greyed

2y↑87

In a later video you talk about the quit moment. Here's my quit moment with Rift.

I had leveled my chosen class to max level. Sorted the abilities on my bar in a way that made sense to me. Then realized that I would never, under any circumstances, use the abilities out of a certain priority list. So, I set about making a macro which triggered those abilities in that specific order. I literally was playing max level Rift doing this:
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

I even PvPed with that macro and never was there a time that I wanted those abilities to fire in another order.

I was, and am, a fan of MMOs that provide a way to reduce the massive button clutter than is the poor legacy from the early MMOs onward. I'm glad that I could have a 2-skill combo where I don't have to take 2 separate keys to fire them off. It is one of the pain points I have with FFXIV. But on the flip side, if your abilities have no situation where you would want to fire any of them out of order? There's no thought to be had there.

That was when I quit Rift.

StupidButCunning

2y↑360

As someone who played Rift since Launch, I can confirm the business decisions killed it. All the good devs saw where it was going and jumped ship and those left were so impressed by their own work they consider themselves better than anyone else. This happened even before Rift was sold to Gamigo. Trion gained so much money from the cash shop but used it to invest in other failing projects. They pushed out a very lackluster expansion with Nightmare Tide where they effectively ruined their entire game with the initial patch. With Nightmare Tide, they increased everyone's health to be of Tank level, but did not proportionately increase healing. They removed the stat that prevented tanks from being crit, and replaced it with a stat that gave a flat constant damage reduction. This led to tanks in the best gear being one shot by Expert dungeon bosses due to an unlucky crit.

They also made their well-established and adored PvP gear system obsolete and only used for aesthetic purposes. There was no longer PvE gear or PvP gear. There was just gear. Everything was consolidated which meant the best gear in the game came from raiding, and raiders could steamroll PvPers in PvP content. Further on this, they changed how scaling worked making any creative builds worthless. You either spent your points FULLY in DPS to kill things quick but die quick, FULLY in healing to be immortal but you can't hurt anyone, or FULLY in Tank to take slightly longer to die but ultimately be useless. With these changes, PvP went from skill-based to gear-based and people left in droves.

During the first weekly livestream after Nightmare Tide went live, someone pointed out to the Devs these various issues with play, and asked what their plans would be to address this in the future. The lead dev responded, and I quote "We're not going to change anything because you worded it as if there's a problem. This is the best Rift yet." After a full expansion of incredibly mediocre, lootbox abusive techniques (which I feel certain were related to the timing of them bringing on a former Activision executive to their board of directors), they promised a great new expansion to fix everything. Promises of grandeur led to many people pre-ordering. Then it was delayed. And delayed again. And delayed yet again. Then it was released with less than 10% of the content that was promised. The little bit of content they did release completely broke the class balance system at end game and Clerics become quite literally immortal. This was the final nail in the coffin for Rift.

Not long after, they were sold to gamigo and countless bugs arose. Gamigo shifted everything to the cloud so the gameplay was often very laggy and unstable. The cash shop kept putting out new lootboxes with a rare chance at cheaply designed reskins of already existing content, but the experience degraded immeasurably.

As a side note, you spoke of raiding in Rift as if Intrepid Adventures were the raid system. They are not. The raids are truly challenging and well designed, much like most of the dungeons. The Instant Adventure and Intrepid Adventure systems were used as a way to combat how Rift's poor decisions and failing to retain people with rising competition led to lower numbers of active players. First shards were shut down and consolidated. Eventually only a single PvP shard remained, and a handful of PvE shards. IA gathered people from all levels and scaled them to the level appropriate for the region they'd be in. It also served as a means to offer extensive experience and quickly get people to end game content. Problem being that Rift's true strength was the adventure you had during the leveling process. The PvP was a fantastic system prior to Nightmare Tide, but PvErs had little to do after beating all the raids and acquiring the gear they wanted outside of making an alt, which happened for most players. Working on Dimensions can be fun for some people, but eventually there won't be anything to do so fast tracking to the end is something I view as a mistake.

UncleTrashero

3y↑1

@Pellmut Pummer well im just relaying my experience. i got Rift the day of release. i hit max level in a few weeks. for a month or so after that there was basically nothing but pvp, then they added some high level "raid" rifts but it was just more of the same thing that already existed (already spending all day doing rift repeat rift repeat rift repeat, so adding a slightly larger Rift was VERY lackluster). I uninstalled after about 2.5 months. WoW came out in 2004. Rift came out in 2011. at that point wow was already on its 4th expansion, Cataclysm had released a few months before Rift, and people were disappointed in that expansion within a month, even though they had already migrated to their (current) content release schedule bringing out the first Raid within a few months of expansion open, and people already were quitting wow in massive numbers because they were bored of the extremely content lacking wow expansions. Rift tried to get by with the same poor content release timing as WoW was already proving was insufficient.

It still to this day surprises me how many people still play WoW. but hey there are still people playing Rift too, so its clearly common for some small group of people to hang on to dying games '\_O_/' we dont even have to bring up classic wow, we can just point back to the infamous moment at blizcon when the wow dev told the crowd "You dont know what you want".
He was right.
But humans are often very stubborn idiots so they will hang on to their pride by hanging on to their dead games and proudly pronounce "what are you talking about WoW is still great! lots of people still play!"

mmmhmmmm

just people who cant accept reality and move on. SUPER common in human history.

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Jim Jones

3y↑2.7K

Rift was one of the best mmos that was run by one of the worst companies. It had so much promise that was squandered because of incompetent management.

Josh Strife Hayes

3y↑528

I got the same feeling, rift trult was ahead of its time.

AstheaTV

3y↑144

Exactly this! The management at Trion was literally crap. The game itself was brilliant, the way Rift implemented burst damage and burst healing, coupled with the vast amount of abilities, gave you so much freedom and fun while playing. It also had a very good balance between casual and hard content as well as very unique and fun ways to level, even power level. I have yet to see an MMO coming even close to that. Truly a shame Trion sold the game away to an even worse company ... :(

adgato75

3y↑61

@AstheaTV Well , Trion fucked it up badly even before they sold it. All of the players knew what was up , even years before the sale.

Masheen

3y↑8

@AstheaTV I guess you haven’t played eso. XD

AstheaTV

3y↑21

@Masheen I have, ESO is a catastrophe of a game, imo, I preordered the game back then. I was so dissapointed that they fucked it up that badly. :/

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Nocturnal Nubbs

1y↑20

To their credit I was able to remember the villain's name purely because how bad it was, which tops plenty of games whose villain or even characters I forget shortly after.

Luna the Dergbold

24w↑1

I remembered it solely because he has the same name as a yugioh card i use a lot.

SilentSnooper

2y↑81

When I played Rift years ago, I had a lot of fun. The talent tree combos were fun, the dungeons/raids were fun, etc... and the thing that stuck out to me.... I'm an explorer at heart. I go where most don't to look around and see what's there... Rift rewarded exploring! There were little artifacts you could find and click on hidden all over the place. Behind trees, under rocks or bridges, in jars, etc. There were several times I climbed hills and found a cairn on top that I could click on for loot, just... out in the middle of nowhere. THAT'S what I miss about Rift. I wish more games would reward exploring. I even got off map in a few locations and occasionally found an artifact spawn offmap (likely a remnant of the map making process), but STILL! What game has that quality now? None that I can think of. :(

badlandskid

25w

Yes. It was a fun game. Finding a difficult cliff to climb and discovering a cairn to loot was a nice touch. Or a puzzle to solve to open a door.

What sucked about rift is that they tried to be wow.

Fred Hurst

2y↑389

I know this video is old but I had to comment that it made me laugh that a long time MMO player took so long figure out that he was not using his abilities simply because they were not called skills. Josh, you are just precious.

Tiger474

51w↑11

I really would have thought the fact that he had a finishing blow ability would have been a give away that he had abilities he wasn't seeing haha. (I know your comment is as old now as this video was when you commented, but here I am)

umbreonandespeon

50w↑11

You're just upset bc he said you weren't scary, fred 😤

O Tal

45w↑10

I think hes playing as a new player would. Unless you're TOLD or Shown in some way the skills page you wont exactly not know where it is, and probably most people wont interact with it!

Flyte Teleus

45w↑5

Are you implying he's role-playing in a MMORPG as a new player?

dandl doouu

43w↑2

@Tiger474 makes me wonder if he played his first character (pre youtube) to lvl 16 with nothing but auto attack :D

Kerian Halcyon

46w↑107

Man that class system is a far cry from when it started. I remember back when you could pick a bunch of different classes of different alignments regardless of race or faction, including Necromancer, which some people did while playing as the de-facto good guys the Guardians (we were chosen not for our virtue but for our might!). Seeing only four with an optional, payable fifth is a far cry from when I first got interested in Rift.

Peter

31w↑11

Not sure if anybody cares but I re-tried the game like 8 months ago and you technically still have the freedom you had when the game released
The builds and classes you choose at the beginning are just based on actual builds by players like a guide but you can also go into the skill tree and freely combine your classes skill trees in combination of 3s
For example as rogue assassin/nightblade/marksman could be changed to assassin/bladedancer/saboteur or any combination you like
They still added some skill Trees you only can use with money for example a tank sub class for mages or a heal sub class for rogues

Valcrion

2y↑56

Chloromancer was hands down my favorite MMO Class I have ever played. Heal by dealing damage was great. Loved playing Rift when it first came out.

I Trow

Same

Andrew Pearson

2y↑3

And op as fuck lmao. I would top the pvp charts in healing AND Dmg. so much fun.

Cody Snowden

Such an amazing class, was absolutely my favorite in the game too.

Planks_tv

48w

I played Rogue. SabDancer was peak. Good times.

Vinter Loft

48w↑1

I was in the developer alpha of Rift and may have had a helping hand in that :P played Chloromancer/ Warlock/ Archon for most of it and most of my feedback went towards those. I am very happy with how it turned out. Early on the attacks felt too light, but with more crit camera shake and noise to the beam spells it felt better to play than most other awakenings

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Marcin Janke

3y↑2.7K

One of the best MMOs I ever played. Played at launch. It was packed and fun! I miss it. Now it's an empty shell of what it used to be.

PLAGUES -HAZE-

3y↑12

TERA than BDO is the best for me

HeilCthulhu

3y↑61

I know how you feel man. This was one of my favorites and to see it like this sucks. My friends and I talked about going back for the past few years but now I know we can't.

V Shane

3y↑34

I too remember the release, there were SO MANY players it was like being at Nagoya Station

ultraviolet catastrophe

3y↑34

god, I remember those times, being fully immersed in this at the time gorgeous world and just being obsessed with this game despite being a casual pleb. Started playing shortly before it went F2P and from there on it was downhill all the way

EldritchOgre

True ...I loved it and it feels dead

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Robin Cecelia

43w↑23

I love how you advocate for accessibility options for every MMO you play.

Laird Michael Scott

2y↑36

I recall in the early days we had a valley below us where the bad guys were pouring through from a magic gate. I was charging down to fight them and looked around. Hundreds of other players were with me -- and there was no lag, none. It was amazing.

I finally stopped playing when I had trouble keeping up with what to do after switching between three totally different builds (in addition to all the other games I was playing).

TwentyHz

2y↑30

Scott harstman and team did a genius job. The game at launch was incredible. It sure didn’t stay that way for long. I still yearn for the class trees and combos of this game

Dragonax

1y↑9

I like how giant two headed abomination that takes 15 minutes to kill gives 95 exp but some random humanoid enemy that takes 2 minutes to kill gives 110 exp

Xa - Ner0

2y↑75

Me and my wife had so much fun in this game around 2011-2013. I remember loving this game so much... I still play it from time to time just top off my nostalgia meter. I do the same thing with 3.3.5 wow.

FlarieBot

2y↑2

Solid choices there!

Mark Harding

2y↑3

I remember playing it and finding it fairly enjoyable. I think it was much better back in the day, as was WoW

Ea

3y↑1.9K

"The burning village looks fine"

Me after every dnd session.

Seph

3y↑3

Haha I love that

MS-06 Borjarnon

3y↑19

@LizzybellGaming Of course not, you need those to bring the fire to the next village.

John Smith

3y↑10

Jesus guys, that was supposed to be a relaxing shopping and personal quest session!

Ea

3y↑2

@Eurime no u

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Matt Buergel

52w↑9

IMO Rift was fantastic. I played at launch, quite a bit. It was one of the first MMOs of its type to allow you level in so many different ways legitimately. I loved the classes.

There was a lot more of an emotional connection when the game first came out. It took a LOT longer to level, and it was a very social game. It's totally different now.

pharynx007

1y↑14

i played rift when it first came out, and from day one, i felt the same way. "it isn't bad, it is fine"

i LOVED the unique class system. that was the main draw for me.

B L

33w

A friend said it was awesome. I casually played several days thinking the same thing.

Marklar

2y↑20

I played the crap out of this game, and my most active period was during the Storm Legion expansion. The wardrobe system was incredible! The cloth armor in particular made me angry at WoW for re-skinning the same stupid robes over and over again. You nailed something I could never articulate... I just never felt invested in the world, and never felt truly attached to anything in it, including my own characters. So many awesome systems & visuals, but in the end I just never felt anything connect me to the world it was set in! Thanks for the video, I can finally articulate my feelings 10 years later hahaha. :P

Rick Charles Personal

50w↑8

What I love most about these videos is that although MMOs are not my thing, I enjoy exploring the often well-crafted fantasy worlds while having Josh slog through the actual game so I don't have to.

Norris Robinson

51w↑2

I just rewatched this and remembered what you said about the raids and the voice acting.

That wasn't always the case with bosses. But Nightmare Tide was a horrible monster that gave us that one thing. An overarching villain that didnt take himself too serious and actually was super sassy towards us. It was great.

I miss Rift.

schroecat1

3y↑353

That lack of emotional engagement you highlighted was introduced later, after the game had significantly decayed. Originally there was no instant adventure option, but finding things to do with other players in a disorganised fashion wasn't hard because the Rifts and Invasions happen constantly. The most epic MMO experience I've ever had was my first zone-wide Invasion event. Rifts open up all across the zone, monsters come flooding out of them and they make it impossible to continue questing normally until the invasion is contained. They would literally take over towns and mass murder the NPCs until they were stopped, and the game emotionally incentivised you to do it. It felt like a big deal, like the characters really were fighting off the apocalypse. And every zone had several different events like this that could occur in them, so it wasn't the same thing over and over. You could also just join and leave other people's groups with the click of a single button, and the game incentivised you to do so. Additionally, the core storyline quests were fantastic, leading the player to explore the world and learn about what was happening and why. As I'm sure you can tell I'm passionate about this game, but I don't play it anymore because every time I go back it just feels empty and reminds me of the great times of the past that will never come back.

David Campbell

3y↑62

RandomPlaylist

3y↑5

Man spot on, great memories of those zone-wide invasions. The only thing similar I've found since then is Guild Wars 2 and their open world meta events. They also have level scaling to the zone but it's automatic. Rift really was great in its heyday. Trion pulled some greedy shit and killed the game fast right after Nightmare Tide. I saw the writing on the wall with the earrings debacle so I left.

Nitidus

3y↑8

@David Campbell Thank you, you found the right words expressing why I has a bad feeling about this review. MMORPGs are so huge, it's impossible to get an actual impression of the game from just one few hours long session. At least if it's a somewhat serious game, not something like Fiesta or such. I REALLY wished he would have accepted the one guy's invitation in the end who wanted to take him on a tour through the game. This also and especially would have been great for the viewers.

Do you still play Rift? Are the things you talk about still as enjoyable today?

Scott Warren

alanogy

3y↑6

Yes, from the beta until the first expansion it was amazing. Beautiful art, quality of life features, finding yourself healing a raid group at level 9 to close a rift. And everyone working together to stop the invasions - I forget the zone, but it had werewolves and an NPC named after Suzanne Vega at the center where it took a bunch of players to get rid of those elite invaders. It remained great F2P, but felt grindy in the first expansion; combat was kind of like this video - mobs with very high HP for no particular reason, go kill 30 of them. Last time I went back they had an underwater expansion and I gave up. But it was a beautiful game 10 years ago.

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Greyed

2y↑87

Cody Snowden

1y↑12

I had the same exact quit moment. When I realized if I wanted to be even a tiny bit competitive, I had to macro all my buttons to a "single target" and "aoe" macro. Incredibly effective, but absolutely killed any fun I was having.

Edit: this was after I had already played at launch and had quit and come back for the Storm Legion xpac I think it was.

Ventsislav Patschov

2y↑4

What made Rift great for me was that it allowed me to level my character up to max solely through PvP. Not only that : it encouraged me to grind battlegrounds so that I could buy new pieces of PvP equipment. The Soul diversification was outstanding : as a Rogue I could reroll into ranged DPS , melee DPS , tank , support , offtanks with crazy DPS - you could never bore yourself because your playstyle was extremely flexible.

Jo

2y↑3

Rift was so good at launch. The armor customization with dye and gear "transmog" and the class creation ( from different talent treee) was so good. The world event was good. They was ahead of other mmo with a lot of "new stuff". Unfortunatly, they made same mistake as a lot of other mmo did: Cash shop...

lovebus00

51w↑3

I remember teh pvp being really fun because of the theory crafting you could do for your classes. I also hilariously remember the disparity between the tech faction's capital vs the spiritual faction's capital. The spiritual faction's capital was a largish temple that was basically one big room. The tech faction's capital was a sprawling magitech city with sky scrapers you could go inside, alleyways with missions, it was actually kinda insulting.

kalorathekau

3y↑664

All things considered, this struck me as actually quite a positive review. I think that there are so many BAD mmos, that even being "good but not great" is something of a rarity.

Chrono Stasis

3y↑25

I mean, this game would be a banger, but in 2005

Paraskevas Psarrakis

3y↑24

@Chrono Stasis no computer could run this game back then... the performance was shit when i played..

RadimentriX

3y↑16

@Paraskevas Psarrakis first time i played it was with a gtx 570. i think the card did never run that hot with any other game. it still played fine but damn, that heat... hardware from 2005 would drop out of its slots on the mobo if ordered to run the game xD

Damian Maglione

3y↑12

Come join us in Telara rift is still going strong in 2021

JasonLudeli

3y↑8

It was a lot of fun when it came out. Tried it again recently and some of the changes really didn't sit well with me and I couldn't bring myself to play long enough to adjust.

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Fyre

2y↑1

I played Rift from 2010-13... even had a wallpaper from the game as my desktop BG. Sad to see how hard it fell. Watching this makes me feel both the urge to play it again, but also the knowledge that I'd just be disappointed and would be better off not bothering. May as well leave it with the positive memories I had instead of ruining them.

Ahou

27w

A lot of your metaphors really hit home for my experience with Rift... I've played a thousand hours, i remember doing all nighters regularly, and yet, i have zero memories about the game itself. I can name a dozen indie games I've played for 10 hours that i can describe more vividly than rift.

SDS Wood

2y↑1

Honestly one of the best Necromancer classes I've ever played in an MMO. But I felt that same disconnect, something was always just a bit off as far as how your character fit in the environment, the story, all of it.

It also fell into the same trap that Age of Conan did, where you ended up with just PILES and PILES of abilities (seriously take a look at end-game ability rotations, even with macros it was insane) that all did fairly paltry damage. Having 4 or 5 dots ticking away while your pet bashes the enemy while you're spamming bolts and proc'ing buffs and cycling through 20 or so skills.... every fight.

That being said, the characters, the artwork, the gear, the theme was all really really good for it's day. Rift is definitely among my most fondly remembered games, up there with EQ and Diablo 2.

DaddyEspressoDepresso

2y↑15

had to come back to this one to mention this

"Have you ever had a hobby that you really enjoyed, but then one day you stopped, and you just have no interest in returning? You don't dislike the hobby and you'll speak of it fondly you've just not got any burning desire to pick it up again"

Until the first time I watched this video I hadn't found the words to describe how I feel about Graphic Design ever since I stopped working in the field, but this, this is it. This is exactly how I've felt about Graphic Design for the past several years and I just wanted to thank you for putting words to a sentiment I hadn't found the words fer yet.

Lisa T

2y↑81

To be fair: The "DLCs" you found on steam are mostly the subscription options - that's not a DLC ;). Summing those up is pointless.
Thanks a lot for the vid though. It's been a while since I last played, gonna give it a go though. I was laughing so much when for the first few levels you just autofight everything and wonder how long the combat takes - it's hillarious. I wonder if that's a bug though. I thought if you autospend your points into your chosen soul combo it would place the relevant skills in your bar automatically (including those from level up). Did you accidentally swap bars or why did this happen?

Next to Vanilla WOW this was my favourite MMO, I just loved the class system. Playing a (low) dpsing healer in raids was huge fun. Leveling my rogue as a teleporting, high speed, tank - also great. I've tried so many MMOs since then and none had anything comparable - so sad.

Dan Wahl

2y↑15

Yea, pretty stupid he made a big deal about the price of the dlc without actually reading what it was.

matt81093

2y↑3

@Dan Wahl I mean I don't expect him to be perfect with these videos, but certainly well enough. And I haven't been disappointed.

Lindsy Whiting

2y↑5

@Dan Wahl Yea, it was very strange and hyperbolic. I usually like this guys reviews but that was...dumb. And the combat; you get skills and he seems to be ignoring them somehow and just auto-attacking.

0816 M3RC

2y↑2

@Lindsy Whiting Even him realizing that wouldn't save this game.

Rhaevyn Hart

3y↑314

I miss this game so much. When it came out, zones were PACKED with rifts and the quick, popup join was so refreshing, big groups of people taking down rifts. Ended up forming raids and you could do this for hours if there was an invasion going on. There were some serious RPers to be found almost all the time in the Taverns, it was just a FUN game. Then it died and part of me went with it. It's a graveyard. I would play this again in a heartbeat if the game was somehow revived. No game ever has offered a wardrobe system like RIFT. It should be an industry standard IMHO.

Jay Roc

3y↑6

Totally agree with you I remember how many people used to gather at the Rifts and how packed the zones were, was the only other mmo that took me and my friends away for some time I always wish they would of kept up with it cause it had SO much potential.

Michael E

Was a great game when it first came out.. Lot's of fun! Kinda died though!

SentinelFury

3y↑14

The battlegrounds were also dope, and imo RIFT’s class design was the best and most interesting out of any mmo I’ve ever played.

Boris Grozni

Neverwinter online picked up wardrobe system

ericb31

3y↑2

oh, yes, i remember that!
being able to wear fancy clothes essentials OVER armor, so you could look good without sacrificing defence, was VERY nice!

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Bobby McKay

37w

I remember preordeing it and playing on launch. It was amazing, fresh, and unique from the start. I hated how it pretty much died rapidly.

Also in regards to the recommended DLC bundle, the bulk of it comes from the 12 month sub it offers/suggests for the £83.88

Jimera0

44w

I remember back when this was still new one of my friends was playing it pretty regularly and enjoying it quite a bit. I never bothered getting into it, since even by then I had realized 1 mmo was enough for me and I was playing Runescape when I had the MMO itch. But they seemed to enjoy it quite a bit, almost gave it a shot just to play with them. It's sad to hear what happened to it. This game clearly had a lot more going for it than I gave it credit for at the time.

tobarstep

2y↑4

The one thing I remember about Rift was that you had fall-through macros. Meaning, I could put pretty much all my abilities on one or two buttons in order of damage done and just spam them and it would use whichever ability was off cooldown. I was able to take down hordes of mobs that way.

KrazzeeKane

2y↑6

Great video but the first part of this was actual pain for me to watch, I wanted him to figure out to use his abilities so, so badly lol. Watching him die over and over was rough, poor guy learned the hard way

Sir Prize

2y↑3

Yeah how can an mmorpg player not notice the red skill icon at the bottom skill bar

Fake Name

I LOVED this game when it came out. Not sure how it is now, but when it was new you could come up with some weird but incredible skill tree specs. I had a ranged PVP warrior spec that was a mage killer, always caught them off guard and an odd tank build that could run a dungeon with just a support healer. What got boring for me was the macros. Almost all of my specs could be boiled down to a single button macro, it got boring just pressing a single button over and over. And my gaming keyboard would press it for me, so it was really just turn my attack on, turn my attack off. That's it. My own fault for getting bored really.

JW

3y↑359

I still think RIFT’s soul system was one of the most creative designs I’ve ever seen. There was so much opportunity for self expression, especially in PVP. It left such a strong base to be built on, as well—shame the management of the game wasn’t quite there. I still miss it.

Daras Thrae

3y↑5

@Knonme Yeah that was always frustrating. I get that having such an open system like that would be so very hard to keep balanced, but the solution is not to nerf anything that beats your max point ability in damage.

Peel

3y↑9

To this day RIFT is the only MMO I have ever PvP'd extensively in. The souls system was so good.

Jonathan Soko

2y↑1

As a current player, it's still good.

Bellacose

2y↑1

Trion's issue is they took RIFT's profits and used it to seed a ton of awful MMOs, most that didn't launch, rather than reinvesting it back into content. By Nightmare Tide, Trion was in Dire straights and was more worried about Archeage being their savior, and went full in on wringing out every drop of money out of the F2P aspects of RIFT.

Dave

Yeah, min maxxing and the inevitable 'balancing' killed any innovation in the soul system. I loved Reaper Tanking 'back in the day', it was awesome pulling crowds of 10+ mobs to solo tank and grind for XP ;)

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Cody Snowden

One of my favorite things about this game was that each Zone had a massive puzzle that you could complete for some pretty good gear for whatever level the zone was. Was a pretty good game all around, shame, it's fate 😭

L Low

30w

Some of my all time favorite MMO memories were from Rift. I still remember me and my leveling/pvp partner exploring Ember Isles when it first released. Damn, long time ago.

Rick Reason

2y↑4

So many years I dedicated to this game. It's lull makes me very sad indeed. Hammerknell was one of the best raid instances I've ever experienced. So many quality-of-life improvements. MEEAAADDD. It was the best years of my gaming life, and I miss it greatly. Pyrochon, greatest raid class ever!

Barnesofthenorth

1y↑1

I actually felt that Warhammer Online did raids and things quite well for early levels. I had end-game dungeons, but it also had a load of lower level ones for each area, and hidden powerful bosses to fight. That way you could just go right for the end game ones, or you could enjoy lower level ones with lower level people as you levelled up.

Snow Panther

2y↑2

The early combat problems was strange because I started playing just after this game came out and I had abilities on the hotbar from the moment I entered the map

StupidButCunning

2y↑360

Mefasm

2y↑8

You forgot about the incredible amount of reputation grind the new expansion brought, that, SOMEHOW, was even worse than grind before that. To achieve ANYTHING you had to either pay for expensive reputation boosts or farm dailies for months...

Abderian Agelast

2y↑11

That developer attitude you mentioned is almost exactly what I see in the Dead by Daylight developers. Admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing that game dropped down a few more pegs so they actually have to improve it, but that's because I love the idea of the game. Their execution has been lacking over the last couple years though, and especially since their last anniversary. There's plenty of videos about their attitudes though, I recommend looking into that when you get the chance. Rift seems like a game that deserved that treatment far less.

Miles Rout

2y↑4

The game was ruined long before Nightmare Tide. The first expansion was horrible. The game was basically ruined when the only raid available was Hammerknell for months. They released so much brilliant content at a good pace and then everyone was sitting there at 10/11 HK unable to beat the final boss and just NOTHING came out for ages.

matt81093

2y↑2

This is tragic, but not uncommon.

Kiki Devine

2y↑1

You're describing most of the mmo's in existence

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Jehtblu

Loved this Mmo. The mechanics reminded me of WotLk when I first started playing. Some of the dungeons were amazing, and the mobs look great. There are a huuuuge variety of them.

Tyler Robinson

40w

Put so much hours into this game. One of my favorites of all time. Still remember my top 5 guild days in black out

John G

Back when I played in 2015, RIFT had excellent raids and dungeons, and a pretty neat storyline if you played through it and levelled normally.

Jumping into Instant Adventures (a raid-lite system designed to accelerate you into endgame where there's a higher player concentration) gives you a very watered down taste of the game and should not be the standard by which it is measured.

Hearing that it got farmed out to Gamigo really hurt.

Kud

48w

I miss this game back when it first came out. I was playing it with 2 of my best friends at the time and we made stealth/ranged/kiting characters that annoyed the shit out of everyone 😂. Good times!

Robert Stryjak

2y↑1

I remember playing this game some time after it went f2p and at one point some guy wrote in all chat: "we only play it because we can't afford WoW!". Accurate. Which is a shame because I had fun with it. Heck, this was the first MMO I've played where I actually finished a dungeon instead quiting it shortly after the tutorial area.

Vepris Thorn

3y↑278

I played a tank in this game and my most memorable tanking moment ever was in the is game:
I was the only tank fighting an open world boss with a crap tone of healers and and unknown number of DPS, I went head to head with this Giant scorpion with my HP bouncing around so wildly from so many healers as I worked to keep aggro.

Brykanst

2y↑17

lol rift was the only game that as a mage i could main tank raids at least post first xpac but was always a raid healer since it was a easier role to do with a shitty PC

Kulrig Alestout

2y↑3

I was the guild's Archon, and it always made me smile when the DPS would post their big dick numbers that were only made possible by me doing the right thing at the right time. I wish more games had a dedicated Support role that actually mattered.

game related

Your lying.... Big time none of the world bosses can be solo tanked.... No matter if you have 50 healers they all have debuffs that stack eventually you will be one shotted....

Chrom0xide

I think the struggle in the tutorial may be caused because the start area may be designed to meet others in the fight. Also the respawning at the heal spot: you can be respawned by a support-player nearby if he wants.

But I think the last time I played this game was 3-4 years ago, I don‘t know what changed.
I just remember there was once the ability to dye your clothes for free, but later you needed to pay for it. Or create colors, I don‘t know exactly anymore

Joel Stevens

1y↑1

All the DLC is now almost $600 in 2023. Played this from beta, first beta i ever got into. Was fun and a nice change from other games I was playing. Sad to see it go the way it did. Thanks for the nostalgia Josh.

Jason Kustra

31w

I played almost every MMO up until 2015 or so. I ended up playing Rift the most and it was mostly because of the "shinies". Traversing the world and exploring mountains and villages and looking for the collectibles. The only thing I loved more than that was the ability to change classes on the fly. Terrific animations and it actually made you feel powerful.

Collin

Started watching this series, and I was nervous when I saw that you had RIft on the list. I actually have a similar background with MMOs as you've mentioned in your videos, World of Warcraft, EvE, Runes of Magic, Rift, Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, OSRS, and ultimately I feel you were really really fair to Rift. More than fair, you raised really great points, kind of highlighting what I never could really put a finger on, ultimately the story was just forgettable, everything around the story was just the opposite. The gameplay was great and fun, the instant adventures were a favorite of mine because I could find a group and still be antisocial, abilities felt fun and chained, UI felt great, systems flowed into each other and meshed, and finally, the skill tree system is and I have always felt this and likely always will, is the example that games should follow

The skill tree system felt varied, I could build what I wanted, I could make a build that put me as one of the best in the group, but it's my own. I actually ran into someone once that had the same build, but 1 point different, I figured I'd try out that build and see how it worked and it absolutely tanked my DPS and it wasn't a bad point choice, it was simply just the correct point for him, not for me. It highlighted to me how your build could be unique as to mold around individual playstyle and still be effective and gave me a sense of individuality and uniqueness, even though I'm not the only person with the same soul setup. I had to balance my choices, one more point in that tree to get the skill that I need, or a point over there to get the stats or buff I need, it felt like your choices had value, and the game did absolutely nothing to limit you on it, and not in the style of Path of Exile, where the choice is sink or swim, it's your choice, it gave you the choice, then let you redo the choice when it went south.

Ultimately, it's been probably about 10 years since I've played Rift, and I miss it, not for the story, but the mechanics, the guts of the game, and above all I mourn the skill tree system, because I feel we'll never really see one that compares well to what Rift did.

Night Silent

I loved RIFT. I first played it during the beta, and was even part of the Founder's thingy. I loved the PvE system, and the rifts. The major zone events were also so cool, like the Death rift one in Freemarch. I also love the soundtrack. I would almost always make Kelari, and the Defiant's leader, Asha. The world of Telara was beautifully made.

Shiirow

3y↑862

" You've committed the cardinal sin of boring me " - Emet-selch after playing Rift.

dedexter88

3y↑5

gold

Taverna do DevilHunter

3y↑24

i see you are man of culture as well

Funguspower2

3y↑29

I miss him 😭

Fizz Please

3y↑45

@Funguspower2 But you do remember him :)

Kairos Akuma

3y↑7

It made me chuckle xD
Emet will be remembered.

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plexdo

2y↑1

This game was awesome and came at the perfect time for anyone who was getting tired of the direction wow was moving in.

Burkles

I have such nostalgia for rift!! I loved the idea of combining talent trees you choose and the artifacts you found all over the world!

I had such high hopes and did enjoy my time but it fell off so quickly :(

NerevarineKing

44w↑1

I loved the game back in the day, but eventually left after the 2nd expansion. I loved the skill/class system and the world events were some of the best gaming experiences I've ever had.

Solid Catto

Was a founder way back in the day, this game brings back so many memories. I was most likely 12-13 when i played so i wasn't the best at it lmao. But the fact that whenever i made a new character (for whatever reason) and no matter what there would be someone around in each area felt so nice. There was always something to do and always someone with you during an event. The ideas were ahead of its time but just so poorly mismanaged that it killed the diehard fanbase. I believe at one point one of the lead raiders in the community made comments on the state of the game later on, and the team basically told them to not let the door hit them on the way out to put it nicely. Now it's been many years since I read about that, but the way the dev team handled the community in general killed their chances of being one of the stand out mmos. It had so much going for it but shitty communication and management ruined this game.

Go8997

I played Rift on launch. At the time the game allowed each class to customize their specialization. You picked 3 of the specs and could allocate points as you see fit. This opened up ridiculous amount of ways to play a class. Cookie cutter went out the window. The game was alot of fun but the player base slowly dropped. However with that said the soul tree being able to mix and match with more then just the 3 they give you now was AWESOME

Jan Slivka

3y↑85

The thing that stunned me as a wow player at the time i was playing/trying this game out, the spell casting, the mages/casters actually use the staff when you have one equiped to cast a spell, while on wow its been a decoration since 2004...

alanogy

3y↑11

What struck me as a player about to quit WoW during the beta at the end of 2010 were the quality of life changes (auto-grouping so you wouldn't have to worry about tagging, clicking once to sell all gray items, I forget what else), the RIFTS and invasions, the triple soul trees, the art, and the chloromancer who could heal by doing damage.

Feathered Theropod

3y↑3

I know right?
I've seen some alpha footage of WoW and characters actually used their weapons to cast spells. I have no idea why they changed that but it always bothered me.

Ninaran

1y↑2

It will stay in my heart as the first MMO that allowed me to play my favourite class, a rogue, and do my favourite activity, tank. And just for that I'll always cherish my memories.

Encryption

2y↑8

I beta tested Rift and loved it. Life happened and took me away from it and when I got in a better place in my life where I could blow time on it, it had already fell from grace. The soul trees were so much fun to play with and mix and match.

sss

44w

wow this game is completely different than release. the combat, class setups and raiding were wonderful on release and that first year. i remember the game having a big pvp community that desperately wanted "more" and the devs were just never really able to deliver that. it looks like the entire map / leveling experience has completely changed for the worse.

damasterpiece08

1y↑1

wish more channels learned from you in regards to analyzing and evaluating all the aspects of a game. graphics, combat, fanservice and monetization is not enough and most of them don't even tag them anyway

Terra Glade

3y↑150

Rift was my "mmo for a summer" i got invested into a roleplaying guild with twice a week meetups. It was a fond memory at best after so many years. I stuck with it for 2 or 3 months and slowly drifted away as another semester of high school started. Here i am, probly 9 years later, smiling and remembering those simpler days.

Josh Strife Hayes

3y↑33

That sounds like the best way to play the game

Jesapear

3y↑19

I remember marrying a "girl" in game with my whole clan attending.
I miss Vittles "she" was a real one

YourTrappedInMyGenjutsu

3y↑11

@Jesapear Haha its so sad that it was likely some old dude but hey at least you had fun

Evan

3y↑6

@YourTrappedInMyGenjutsu Hey, female gamers do exist :P

Rhaevyn Hart

3y↑6

@Rent Free We definitely do, and I'm also a grandmother!

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Yukian

I preordered Rift and was a founder. One of the problems was that, as amazing as the idea of creating your own class by combining class bases was, it only took a few weeks for brutally superior meta builds to pop around both for PVE and for PvP where the meta classes dominated and could solo entire parties of unprepared casuals.

mk mk

2y↑1

I played Rift the day it came out, I was so hyped for it at the time, and it did not disappoint me. It is sad to see what has become of it. I tried it a couple of years ago again to see what had become of it. I still enjoyed it, but it was no longer what I remembered

Emil Sørensen

I didn't really get engaged with Rift's world and decided to quit when I was in some forested area and realized I didn't care what happened nearby - but... I really loved the class system and actually enjoyed healing in PvP a lot. I even missed it. But the story just couldn't grab me.

FinalUforia

Holy shit, I think I played this for quite a while ages ago... I didn't remember anything about this game until I saw the soul tree and then a whole bunch of memories came flooding back... mostly of reading the soul tree things, and trying to work out how I was going to spec my character. Forgettable is truly the best way to describe this game.

SDS Wood

2y↑1

Also; watching this video I was laughing so hard from the very beginning like "dude... is he not using any of his abilities? Is he just.. yep he's just basic melee'ing. Oh my."

normalmighty

3y↑110

I remember RIFT making for easily my most fun weekend of the year when I first played it brand new.

After a 30 hour straight session, I closed the game feeling like I absolutely loved the experience, and then I never opened the game again.

I don't even know why anymore, for some reason the game just didn't leave me wanting more.

Sean Thompson

2y↑1

This perfectly sums up my experience with the game

george cahoon

31w

Its so crazy how you described the issue Rift when I just clicked this video thinking "oh yeah, how did I completely forget about Rift?! I remember it being such a fun game."

Esmolol

Rift was an awesome mmo back then. I got the turtle mount and felt as if I've had accomplished "it".
And it was harder than classic wow, which made it awesome.
Even in dungeons wipes were common without brainusage of EACH member.
I liked the pvp too, the moment I saw an enemy I got into an bloodrage and gather my guild around me to annihilate everyone.
Good times.

Henrik Holmberg

Had around 150 days in play time up to 2013 and until it got into a total dumpsterfire.
The REAL raids at the time were so damn fun and you really needed to know what you were doing. A simple missed interupt often caused a total wipe. Fun times, wish I could go back there sometimes...

Solonar Avanroth

37w

As some one who has lived the entire history of video games, starting with the atari 2600, and becoming a huge MMO player in the early days of ultima, I can say that the hype for rift was real. The first month of rift it was epic. The open world events and the pvp was such a big relief after playing WoW, but coming back to it years later, it feels terrible.

Omgacow1000

I played this MMO a lot on launch had some good memories. Definitely had a lot of wasted potential and its sad what its become

BM03

2y↑498

This game did so many things ahead of it's time, it felt like The WoW Clone WoW Kept Cloning.
Did things like AoE looting, crafting from bank and wardrobe system where anything you pick gets added to your collection way, way before WoW did.
The dye system was better than what I've seen in MMOs around still, I have yet to meet with a housing system (dimensions) that allows it's amazing amount of freedom, the class tree was impressively robust in options AND it had not just "that one support class that people are still having second thoughts about inviting (AKA "The Bard"), it was a DEDICATED party slot.

It's worth mentioning it's key binding system should be standard. I know I kinda recently saw it elsewhere (I think WoW?) but being able to change keybindings by hovering the mouse over the hotkey on the screen instead of going down a list should be the NORM with how quick and intuitive it is. And they did it since day 1.

I honestly feel like if I had known it was going to just DIE, I would've actually "mained" this MMO back then and gone super hard on it. Because now, the experience just can't be re-lived...
So much regret.

spookyfish24

2y↑15

I played a bard during Nightmare Tide because I didn't think anyone would want me to raid with them. Came to find out that it was an in-demand support class. lol There was SO much I loved about that game and miss. The transmog and housing systems are far and away better than anything else I've had in WoW or FF14.

Hellestial

2y↑8

I pvp'd as a bard. The few videos I ever posted was a couple library runs.

Emajenus

2y↑6

The problem with the talents system was that metas formed relatively early. It basically invalidated most choices outside of the meta.
It was a great game, though. So many good memories.

BM03

2y↑3

@Emajenus I didn't really hit endgame but I didn't find this to be the case. As long as what you used made sense you didn't seem terribly limited. A main tree to focus on and two trees mostly for passive boosts that enhance your main is what I figured worked the best. Third tree was mostly passive fluff but even the second tree usually allow to provide decent utility.

At least that was my interpretation of the system when I played back then. And last I played Nightmare Tide (or something like that) was new.

3rd Cain

2y↑2

Back at launch we used to say "they stole all the good bits and did it better"

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Jayk James

38w

This is a really well made video. His analogies are spot on

QueenDampi

I miss this game! had a blast in it, made tons of friends (some i still talk to today) even got my first and only worlds first item drop in that game! Rift will always have a special place in my heart <3

DarkSouls Gaming

48w

I've been watching all of these videos as I grind out Grand Chase Classic, an MMO you should definitely do a video on. This Wednesday (May 24th, 2023) they will be releasing an update making the new player experience much quicker, easier, and with more loot making it the perfect time to check it out! Elsword was technically a sequel to Grand Chase, but I never personally got into it. It would blow my mind to see this game get some attention! I even named my son after one of the main characters!

Armita

2y↑2

I was so (likely irrationally) excited for a second thinking I remembered the villain's name but you were talking about Regulaos or"Generico". I was thinking about the tutorial area's first "hard" enemy Frederick or "no one scary has the nickname Fred".

Cyan Rose

52w

Same 😆

Cya329

Rift was such an amazing game when it came out. Your class customization allowed you to do so much that most games don't. So sad the game fell so hard and never really got the popularity that it deserved.

The Nibble Witch

3y↑26

Honestly, I think their class system was one of the best, and still is. Watching this actually is kind of making me want to play it again.

Jakobos

I loved the little bit of Rift I played way back when. It was the first game I played that had the overworld group events, as well as, my favourite, armour dying. These things are standard now, but damn if they didn't blow my mind back then

Fabian Bosch

38w

It is so sad to see what became of this game. I still remember it fondly. I even met my wife in this game more than nine years ago. Back than the raid content was on par with wow on it's prime and the class system even better than its direct peers. Goodbye Rift, may you rest in peace o7

VPgearchin

I have fond memories of this game, my guild had the server first deathless kill of Greenscale, and it was an amazing raid. then of course i quit the game, cuz i didn't want too/ afford too full time raid like that. I missed out on other raiding opportunities because i couldn't afford to continue to be a hardcore raider in the game. i still go back every now and then but man that item shop just brings out the stress levels.

Randy Marsh is Lorde

I bought it when it first came out, I actually played it for about a year and a half with my friends from school. We all loved the idea of the talent/class mix-match system. Tbh it was still fun when we all quit playing, it just wasn't as fun as wow, so we stopped playing. Sad to see what became of it, I remember loving some of the environments in the first couple of leveling zones, and those memories have had me considering trying it out again in the past year or 2. I'm glad I found this first, I won't have to play it again and tarnish my old experiences, I'll just keep it stored in my "pleasant memories" vault along with a ton of the games I played growing up 😌

Dungeons & Derps

Modern RIFT probably makes me feel like Modern Neverwinter makes you feel. So much potential. So much genuine fun, memories and more. The Skilltree/Class System is something I'd love to see in more Mmorpgs. All flushed down the drain for the sake of short term profit. It's sad.

Rey Lorio

3y↑87

I loved Rift. A shame they didn't put out more content fast enough. Their class system is still my most favorite to date. Still a top 2 MMO for me.

László Kocsi

Yepp ther was sooo much choiches in the talent tree

UncleTrashero

Rift was decent, but SWG was the ultimate mmo

UncleTrashero

3y↑2

@Pellmut Pummer if you compare it to vanilla wow release schedule, it would look pretty reasonable, but the problem is the market had already evolved and people expected much more much earlier. Rift release endgame was so desolate most people only lasted a month or 2 and then got bored. LONG LONG before any of the major patches actually added end game substance. the only reason people lasted that long in vanilla wows terrible endgame (before MC) was because they had never experienced that before and had no other games to turn to. But when Rift came around, there were already other options for them to move to, so what worked for wow in 2004, wasnt going to work for Rift.

UncleTrashero

3y↑1

UncleTrashero

@Pellmut Pummer i dont know where you are going with this but the point is THE ONLY THING BESIDES PVP (which was horrifically unbalanced worse than any other pvp game ever) TO DO AT END GAME IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF RIFT: WAS MORE RIFTS. so it was fucking boring. thats just the facts, evidenced by the MILLIONS of players who quit in the first couple months, citing EXACTLY that reason: "The PvE endgame sucked. the pvp is too unbalanced.".
Though I will say 2011 was a year when a LOT of really amazing games came out, so Rift had some hard competition. Remember SKYRIM came out shortly after Rift.... not to mention: MINECRAFT, TERRARIA, Dragon Age 2, Crysis 2, Oh yeah and SWTOR which was a far better MMO game and which STILL crumbled in a couple months for exactly the same reason: Boring endgame. I know you clearly have some attachment to Rift, but thats no reason to convince yourself that reality didnt happen, that millions of players quit for something OTHER than their stated reasons: the endgame sucked.
instead you can just say "well I liked it." and move on and accept that you are a rare minority, and the majority do not like things the same way you do. its pretty simple.

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Chris Whiton

50w

I had a similar experience. I remember a slow crawl to level 10 or 20 (I can't remember) and then I joined a raid at the suggestion to people in zone chat. I was powerleveled so much that I was just LOST after I got out of my string of raids. I don't think I logged in again after that day.

Wyrmshield

This came out during Cataclysm which was the first of the "bad" wow expansions, and Rift was the game I chose to play in place of it even among all the other competitors, so I still remember it somewhat fondly

Highlord91

When I played last, Rift's RP community was healthy and active thanks to the player instances where you can build pretty much whatever you can dream up. I haven't played in a while though.

Equious

1y↑1

Rift was actually a great game. I really enjoyed my time in it, back in the day.

ConsistentlyStupid

Rift will always be something I'm sad I missed out on. I played it in it's Open Beta loved it. Eve convinced friends to give it a try. Game came out, and life stuff happened and I couldn't afford to play it. By the time I could get back into online games I went back to WoW, and completely missed out on the fun that I could have had in Rift.

Nobleshield

3y↑165

The original RIFT was an amazing MMO, as perfect a WoW clone as ever was done; it truly was a better WoW than WoW. Just Trion was a terrible company and completely ruined it after. To this day though as a die-hard WoW fan the "vanilla" Rift has been that only game that ever got me to quit WoW to play it.

Boris Grozni

3y↑6

TRION actually borrowed a lot of money to put into marketing campaign for RIFT. Time passes new games comes out and money had to be turned back. Then it came F2P and all bad things..

clackking

Same

ConsistentlyStupid

3y↑3

I agree in that it was the best "WoW" clone by far. It expanded upon a lot of what WoW was doing and the ability to customize your class so much was amazing at the time. I played Rift in the Beta but didn't have enough money to reliably sub to an MMO at the time and I regret never getting to play it at release.

D3Sync

3y↑5

I actually think WoW fans ruined Rift, and then went back to WoW.

Ishmachiah

3y↑1

@D3Sync - 100% this.

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Cpt_Mowlwurf

2y↑14

I really miss this game.... Back in the days i played a Chloromancer which was and is so far the best designed class ever in an MMO for me at least. It was so much fun. I wish that newer MMO´s would design more classes like this one. Btw i know that a lot of MMOs have this one healer that heals through DMG but somehow they just down feel the same for me and wont click like the Chloro did. RIP Rift and the Chloro you will never be forgotten :(

Pahu

1y↑1

Rift had some really unique classes. I played Saboteur, setting up for 5 globals doing essentially nothing and then unleashing an insane amount of damage all at once was super fun and different.

Clayne151

Had so much fun playing a chloromancer leveling up and doing open world pvp! Then took a break and came back a few months later and it was totally unplayable without doing the battleground grind for pvp gear. Such a shame.

Chris Colbourne

Coolest support class I ever played. 👏

schroecat1

I was a Chloro main too. That class was so much fun to play.

Vovegog

This game used to be amazing. Had two characters at max level, a Chloromancer and a rogue tank. I have so many fond memories, but the instant they started adding microtransactions and heading free to play, I knew what was going to happen. And I'm sad to say I was completely correct. RIP Rift, you were a good one

Kulrig Alestout

The Instant and Intrepid Adventure things are, as you said, a blessing and a curse. Instant Adventures makes it so that you're doing things in a zone with other players, but removes the story reasons behind them. Intrepid Adventures makes it so that you're given a tour of various raids (not all of them, just some) but removes you from the world entirely. Even as the game pushed more toward cross-faction cooperation, each still had their own reasons for doing things and their own methods of doing them that set them apart not just aesthetically, but lorewise as well. A shame that it's so easily ignored nowadays, but at least it's still a fun game and the slow slog through the quests to endgame are still available to those who want them.

canadianreserve

1y↑1

Probably one of the best MMO's I played after DAoC. Amazing class and ability system I ever experienced. Only reason I left is that I was on a PVP server, and the class/gear balance was very very slow, so I dipped.

canadianreserve

40w

Agree, balance was always a problem in Rift. We never realized we had it so good in DAOC.

Shuku

I have a great story in this game. We decided as 6 friends to start playing this game. 2 of us got together to try it out ahead. Reached level 10 realized you can queue for PVP. Qued for PVP to not start the game before the other guys. Fast forward 2 week we realized you gain exp from pvp and we have 2 level 60 characters with beginner items in the beginner area one shotting anything that moves . It was a really bizarre experience. I remember the times when priests were broken and would heal and tank better then actual tanks.

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