IV
W.A.I.L. Lyrics

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I'm with the crew
We don't fight without tools
Took trips to Peru
Cuz I'm making moves
I love all my hoes
Cuz they gimme throat
We got the dope
Now I'm going pro

I make that thing pop
Cuz I want all the smoke
Purp in my cup
Got some more in my gut
We gon shoot at ya pops
Cuz he on the wrong block
You know I got some opps
Cuz they all around cops
I don't fuck with my woos
I love all my hoes
Cuz I am the goat
Gonna go pro
Gonna go pro
Yea, I got the dope
I don't fight with my woos
I love all my hoes
Cuz I am the GOAT
I fuck with the Pros
Cuz i am a pro
I been down broke
But I'm on the way up
I don't fight with my woos
I love all my hoes
I want the smoke
Cuz I got the dope
I'm tryna go pour,
I'm tryna go home
I don't fuck with my woos
I love all my hoes
Cuz I am the goat
Gonna go pro
Gonna go pro
Yea, I got the dope
I been called this since way back
Before that don went wack,
Fuck up and he did all of that
Fuck around with this bitch Lil Mac
If I could go way back
I know I'd be decking that
These clowns they need a good smack
He slippin just like a rat
That why that hater so fat
This gamer sold out on that shit that he played on
This snitch turned on all the streets that he came from
This bitch let down for some pussy he ain't play on

And he so wack he got another fucker sliding into that
Gamers got birkins on bitches but he swear up and down he can't afford all that

Overall Meaning

The lyrics to W.A.I.L.'s song "IV" depict a lifestyle characterized by power, dominance, and a disregard for consequences. The singer is part of a crew that is always armed and ready for conflict, as indicated by the line "We don't fight without tools." They have traveled to Peru, possibly for illicit activities, demonstrating their commitment to making moves and expanding their influence. The repetition of the phrase "I love all my hoes" suggests a sense of ownership and objectification of women, with the singer valuing them solely for sexual gratification.

The mention of having dope and wanting all the smoke implies involvement in the drug trade and a desire to confront their enemies. The line "We gon shoot at ya pops, Cuz he on the wrong block" further emphasizes their willingness to resort to violence to protect their territory. The singer claims to have enemies, symbolized by "opps" who are constantly being watched by the police. However, amidst this world of chaos and aggression, the singer considers themselves superior (the GOAT) and aims to turn their illicit endeavors into a professional career.

Overall, the lyrics of "IV" portray a dark and dangerous lifestyle of power, materialism, and violence, with a constant search for validation and success.

Line by Line Meaning

I'm with the crew
I am in the company of my close friends

We don't fight without tools
We never engage in altercations without being armed

Took trips to Peru
I have gone on journeys to Peru

Cuz I'm making moves
Because I am taking significant actions and making progress

I love all my hoes
I have deep affection for all the women in my life

Cuz they gimme throat
Because they perform oral sex on me

We got the dope
We possess illegal drugs

Now I'm going pro
I am now becoming a professional in my field

I make that thing pop
I cause that object to explode

Cuz I want all the smoke
Because I desire conflict or confrontation

Purp in my cup
I have purple drank in my cup

Got some more in my gut
I have more drugs in my stomach

We gon shoot at ya pops
We will use firearms to attack your father

Cuz he on the wrong block
Because he is in the incorrect neighborhood

You know I got some opps
You are aware that I have opponents or enemies

Cuz they all around cops
Because they are frequently in the presence of police officers

I don't fuck with my woos
I do not associate with my close friends

I love all my hoes
I have deep affection for all the women in my life

Cuz I am the goat
Because I am the greatest of all time

Gonna go pro
I am going to become a professional

Yea, I got the dope
Yes, I possess illegal drugs

I don't fight with my woos
I do not engage in altercations with my close friends

I love all my hoes
I have deep affection for all the women in my life

Cuz I am the GOAT
Because I am the greatest of all time

I fuck with the Pros
I associate with experienced individuals

Cuz i am a pro
Because I am skilled and experienced

I been down broke
I have experienced poverty or financial hardship

But I'm on the way up
But I am on the path to success

I don't fuck with my woos
I do not associate with my close friends

I love all my hoes
I have deep affection for all the women in my life

I want the smoke
I desire conflict or confrontation

Cuz I got the dope
Because I possess illegal drugs

I'm tryna go pour
I am trying to pour a drink

I'm tryna go home
I am trying to return to my residence

I don't fuck with my woos
I do not associate with my close friends

I love all my hoes
I have deep affection for all the women in my life

Cuz I am the goat
Because I am the greatest of all time

Gonna go pro
I am going to become a professional

Yea, I got the dope
Yes, I possess illegal drugs

I been called this since way back
I have been known as this for a long time

Before that don went wack
Prior to that person losing their mind or becoming crazy

Fuck up and he did all of that
Messed up and he made all those mistakes

Fuck around with this bitch Lil Mac
Associate with this person named Lil Mac in a casual or sexual manner

If I could go way back
If I could return to the past

I know I'd be decking that
I am certain I would physically attack or beat up that person

These clowns they need a good smack
These foolish individuals deserve a strong slap or physical reprimand

He slippin just like a rat
He is being careless or making mistakes like a rat would

That why that hater so fat
That is the reason why that jealous person is overweight

This gamer sold out on that shit that he played on
This individual prioritized profit over loyalty to the game he was involved in

This snitch turned on all the streets that he came from
This person who gives information to the police betrayed the neighborhoods or communities he belongs to

This bitch let down for some pussy he ain't play on
This person disappointed or deceived others for a sexual encounter that was not expected

And he so wack he got another fucker sliding into that
And he is so untalented that another person is taking advantage of his current situation

Gamers got birkins on bitches but he swear up and down he can't afford all that
This individual possesses luxury handbags for women, but he falsely claims he cannot afford them

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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

@bazsohamster

6y↑1

don't forget there was more then one black captain and one black admiral starting in order

Capt. Tryla Scott played by Ursaline Bryant

Capt. Donald Varley played by Thalmus Rasulala

Admiral Shanthi played by Fran Bennett

if i missed any other black characters played by black actors i am sorry and i mean no disrespect but these persons do come to mind

All comments from YouTube:

@danielmccurdy862

7y↑153

Very lovecraftian. The idea of an unknowable, incredibly powerful force that waltzes through the "powers" of the alpha quadrant like they weren't even there and does what it wants. Probably would have been too on the nose to have it want to talk to squids. The fact that the Probe has no discernible power source, and is so alien in design... simply brilliant.

@k1productions87

6y↑32

And it was never even treated as a villain. Even as it was risking countless lives and nearly tearing Terra apart, it was always treated as a mystery to be solved and answered, rather than an enemy to be fought. Voyage Home is hands-down the most "Trek" Trek film ever made, right down to its lighthearted adventure throughout.

@stevo0124

6y↑6

@@k1productions87 Well said, to you both!

@spino2earth250

5y↑3

@@k1productions87 I do actually not like the movie because of that probe thing aswell as time travel, and the fact that Leningrad still seems to be a thing in the 23th century even though it was changed back to Saint Petersburg either at the end of the 20th or the start of the 21th century!

@k1productions87

5y↑9

@@spino2earth250 Checkov mentioned Leningrad in the TOS episode "I Mudd" as well. They had no way of knowing at the time that this change would occur, even in 1986. It was still another half decade before the change was made.

@tommissouri4871

4y↑3

@@spino2earth250 - it is quite possible that their trip back changed the timeline such that a seemingly small thing like scaring the heck out of a Russian whaling vessel would lead to the downfall of the USSR and so Kirk and crew would be unaware of Leningrad changing to St. Petersburg until they got back to their own time. Maybe the crew were related to someone important and had taken pictures of the Klingon Bird of Prey, making the Russians believe the US had weapons far beyond what they knew.

The smallest thing can make huge ripples years later. Ray Bradbury's butterfly effect.

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@justinquaylepate1358

3y↑65

"It's difficult to answer when one does not understand the question" good point without a doubt

@user-iy6rm6pm4j

1y↑9

Cryptic because when the computer asked Spock "How do you feel?", Spock said "I don't understand the question." Yet here, Spock is the only person in the entire Federation who understood the probe's question to humpback whales -- "Are you there?"

@moonleafteaofthemonth

6y↑67

6:00 I love how this whole scene is played straight with the back and forth between the whales and the probe, not only leaving it open to guess what was communicated between them, especially since whale song itself is a strange, almost alien thing in and of itself. That and the face that it's never further explored what the probe is or where it came from, suggesting not only whales possessing an intelligence that may or may not surpass humans', but that there are other forms of life akin to whales that ended up on a different evolutionary path. Or that whales are really beings from another planet, I don't know.

@GRasputin91

2y↑13

The novelization does explore the probe's origins a little, it did in fact come from a planet where cetaceans are the dominant intelligent life form.

@umleroi

2y↑14

I think it very nicely drives home the point that the message "isn't meant for us". Trek has always been about how humanity is small piece of a much larger whole - coming to terms that we are not the center of universe, but that we still have responsibilities and contributions to make to it - and I think that the choice to leave this vague really helps communicates that.

@brianwesley28

1y↑9

The whales complained to their whale overlords that the humans were giving them names like spermwhale and humpback whale, while also misgendering them.

@j2kerrigan

43w↑2

@@brianwesley28lmao I know Im 3 months late but this cracked me up

@OpenMawProductions

34w↑1

@@j2kerrigan In his video review of Star Trek IV, Chuck "SHDEBRIS" Sonneberg did his own subtitles for that sequence, and it basically went like this:
Whales: Knock it off already! You're f*cking up the whole planet!
Probe: Sorry I was just checking in on ya, everything okay?
Whales: Yes, not F*ck off!!!
Probe: Alright! Fine!

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@valuedhumanoid6574

5y↑27

I always imagine that the probe was filled with water and millions of whales were living inside. They oxygenated the water so that they could breath. And they controlled it with their thoughts.

@billmilano6246

1y↑3

Not unlike the underwater species on the Xindi planet on ST: Enterprise.

@davidbutler1857

25w

Same. A whole ocean like biosphere inside. It was clear that the probe was of immense size many miles long

@christophercraig3749

6y↑37

The helmsman always made me laugh. He looks like he's working on his day off and now it all goes to hell.

@steveconn

7y↑105

5:55 - Always liked Sarek's "while we still have time." That sense of alarm beneath the cold Vulcan exterior.

@karlsmith2570

3y↑4

Well, keep in mind:

While they have them, Vulcans suppress their emotions in order embrace logic

@rykerorion1185

@Benton Neil yea, been using InstaFlixxer for months myself :D

@jimhuffman9434

2y↑4

Under the cold Vulcan logic "We're screwed!"

@ericmorang3903

1y↑3

Yeah, if a Vulcan is scared, you know you're in trouble!

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@malibustacy3606

1y↑18

Sarek gets the nod for delivering the movie's best rational response @ 5:38.

@Kiyosuki

6y↑18

Some people (lovingly) poke fun at it cause it's well, the save-the-whales probe but this thing's always fascinated me personally. We still know nothing (official) about it, and just its very concept is so mind blowing the more you think about it. The idea that even 23rd century people as relatively enlightened (compared to us anyways) and advanced as the this may have had something far more advanced in a way traditional thinking of advancement as we know it might not understand swimming in our oceans the whole time, or were before they went back in time.

And that it had a connection to something that isn't even phased by technology capable of teleporting people and warping space for interstellar travel. Or not. I dunno, it's very Eldritch as someone put it.

It's like...V'ger represented a potential apex of where technology as we know it can advance to, but this thing and wherever it came from represents a completely different path, one that maybe can be understood one day, but never fully comprehended cause it's just so off our path.

All in a movie where Kirk cracks a "he did drugs" joke at Spock's expense.

@joshblanchard3719

2y↑2

He did lds

@AdrianFahrenheitTepes

Too much LSD in the 60s

@Italian69Boi

24w↑1

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepesonly he gets it wrong and says LDS lol 😆

@AdrianFahrenheitTepes

24w

@@Italian69Boi Which is funny because I instinctively think LSD

@Italian69Boi

24w↑1

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes well prob cuz maybe no one does drugs in future or in starfleet idk or its unheard of or kirk just didnt know abt it

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@grizzfan08

7y↑57

Even though this is my favorite of the films, that probe still gives me the willies.

@TimeTravelinc

4y↑1

grizzfan08 Probably the primal fear of dealing with a cosmic horror entity will do that. It doesn’t care, it doing what it wants, and admist it’s prime directive, it creates wanton destruction across Sol Three AKA Terra AKA Earth, along with other individuals in the path of this probe.

It’s certain to give anyone who knows ultimate and unknown power would get chills when dealing with this.

@Shadowkey392

Really? THAT is what does. It for you?

@The_Burrito

4y↑6

@@Shadowkey392 The sound is unsettling as all hell.

@jimhuffman9434

2y↑1

@@The_Burrito It's just whale song

@Italian69Boi

24w↑1

@@TimeTravelincwouldnt call it destruction its just messing with electric power of everything. I dont think anything blew up

@morbius109

3y↑17

3:45 - Earth Spacedock isn’t small, but it’s positively tiny next to that probe. One of the creepiest, most alluring mysteries of all Star Trek. Who were they? Where did they come from? You have to wonder, considering how easily they disabled Federation and Klingon ships, what would happen if the Probe encountered the Borg or the Dominion.

@jimhuffman9434

2y↑5

Actually they did. In the book Star Trek: Probe published in 1992

@axebomber2108

1y↑3

One wonders why aliens would create something so large and apparently unintentionally destructive just for the purposes of communication. It seems like overkill.

@mikegallant811

1y↑2

Even Dominion vessels would be shut down easily. Polaron weapons or no.

@Alusnovalotus

44w↑1

@@axebomber2108l!!!!!
“Have you heard of cars?!?
Plastic?!?
Smart phones?!?!?!?
* said all other living creatures on earth*
The irony. OH THE IRONY!!!!”

@axebomber2108

43w↑1

@@Alusnovalotus These are supposed to be super advanced aliens who think whales are more worth talking to than humans, yet they still created a super destructive probe.

@rollerbladinggeek5507

4y↑15

watching this in 2020 as a new watcher & it's already way more exciting than the new Star Trek Discovery. There's something compelling about a good storyline, decent actors who aren't all 20 years old or look like models, and a camera that doesn't wave about trying to create fake drama. Love this

@FedoraReshiramGaming

28w↑1

i just love how, no matter what one may say about it, how destructive it acts, how impressively powerful it is, just everything, 'alien' about it... this thing is nothing more then a probe, its only purpose was to reach earth, and try to establish communications with 'whales', whoever/whatever sent that, rendered every ship/station/even an entire planet helpless and all its trying to do is say, without actually knowing... "what's going on, we haven't heard from you in years"

@KuDastardly

1y↑7

PETA or some sort of activist organization actually once tried to interfere with Paramount's filming of Star Trek IV because they were concerned with the treatment of the humpback whales. It turns out the whales depicted in the movies were actually animatronics. No RL whales were actually used in the production of the movie.

@JustSomeCanadianGuy

43w↑3

The bleakest moment in Roddenberry’s perfect future.

The notion that even though the future is bright, there’s things people did, that WE did, in the 20th century that cannot be undone……….. without a Time Machine.

A very disturbing thought.

@doomnova1946

37w↑2

And even then with a time machine who knows if fixing that does not make other things worse down the road.

@convolutedconcepts

36w↑2

i always love the shear scale of the probe.

@brigidsingleton1596

25w

sheer (not shear - that means something different - like the shearing of sheep) 😊❤️🖖

@SirCraigius

7y↑76

3:15: That always annoyed me. They knew the probe was coming their way. They knew it hours in advance! And yet they wait until its literally on top of them to order space dock to launch all vessels? They could have had every ship full loaded with people, out of the dock and safely away at warp speed before the probe even got close if they'd acted immediately!

@tubawritaguy

7y↑4

It's too bad those of us in the know, meaning those of us who know how to look outside the box, wasn't even the chance to edit the script, seeing what was missing, what wasn't need, and improving on it.

@tubawritaguy

7y↑1

I meant 'given the chance'.

@messengerguardiansparanorm8606

6y↑4

Good point. Yet, they really wanted to keep the sense of danger. There were relatively few ships in orbit, and Earth has billions of people. It's an interesting trope to use the "all or none" as a plot device. I suspect that is why Harve Bennet and the others did not write that in. I suspect every script could use improvement. Yet, like books, one just has to stop the m--teenth editing process, and just put it into play. Again, though, good point.

@Kiyosuki

6y↑3

Maybe the only ships still left in Space Dock were just the Excelsior, which was still an experiment, and a few vessels in maintenance or (depending on what backstory on it you choose to believe) the developmental connie that would later be converted into the Enterprise-A, basically ships not technically in full service, and the announcement to launch all vessels was simply out of desperation to launch "anything that's left".

And also, they had already launched "everything we have" so maybe that included some emergency evacuation ships. Even in the 23rd Century I must imagine a planet wide evacuation ain't no joke, it'd be difficult to transport the entire population of a planet as crowded as Earth with even every ship in Starfleet even in the time given.

@kilroy987

6y↑2

I got the sense that despite the threat that earth was still operating very much in a state of peace, and the arrival of the probe threw things into sudden and unexpected turmoil. We knew firsthand the damage the probe could cause, but even we the audience didn't know the damage it could cause on such a large scale, even disabling the entire space station. When I first saw the movie, I didn't have a problem with them not trying to do anything until it got close. Maybe there were already plenty of ships in orbit and the station was just ordering the immediate launch of the rest of them once the damage started to get caused - we just didn't see the probe break through any perimeter, if there was one. I didn't have a problem imagining Starfleet having everything in place, just not showing us all of it. I guess I think of it more like an alien presence arriving at modern day earth, and suddenly all traffic lights go out, affecting the common people.

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@algebra5766

7y↑12

Just brilliant! This is no naive version of alien intruders ....

@mbaxter22

3y↑7

I wish we could have seen more of that alien species with the white hair. They showed this species only twice (the helmsman here, and the president in ST: Undiscovered Country). They looked interesting; it would have been nice to see more of them...

@develynseether4426

3y↑2

The president was called Ra-ghoratreii
The Saratoga Helmsman was called Chitirih Ra-Dreii.

Both names confirmed from movie novelisations.

However despite the novel listing the species as Deltan the production material and one reference book list the species as Efrosian, a once conquered race by the Klingons and an offshoot.

@Azraiel213

1y↑1

Deltan is definitely a mistake, @@develynseether4426. Efrosian is the widely accepted name.

@ShannonCarter55

34w

@@develynseether4426nah, the science officer is Chirith Ra-dreii. The Efrosian helmsman remains Unnamed in beta canon. I have seen the fan name of Zi-Hargovtra being used for him.

@spikeep6141

26w↑1

Hadn’t noticed before — The whales go nose-down vertical when they are singing; and so does The Probe when it’s replying.

@karlsmith2570

4y↑41

Fun Fact:

The actress who played the Captain of The USS Saratoga is the same woman who played Eddie Murphy's mother in "Coming to America"

@insovietrussia

4y↑1

Ay-Alien! How apropos

@develynseether4426

3y↑3

She played another queen this time for Disney in animated Lion King as Simba mother which would be her last film role as she died of Leukaemia the following year.

Back to Trek she also played Geordi's mother Captain Silva LaForge of the USS Hera in the TNG seventh season episode 'Interface'.

@karlsmith2570

@@develynseether4426 she played Geordi's mom??

I didn't realize that

Or that she'd voiced Simba's mother in the animated version of "The Lion King"

@timothyb3121

2y↑3

Madge Sinclair is her name. R.I.P.

@gynandroidhead

The groundbreaking actress Madge Sinclair.

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@duane356

3y↑15

Good thing Oumuamua found our sea mammals intact.

@jimhuffman9434

24w

I always loved that "Here he comes now"

@edwardmeade1765

2y↑3

I want the sound of the probe as my ringtone.

@jacobgriffin3893

6y↑14

Protip: Make sure the species you're trying to talk to is not extinct, and don't put EMP generators in your transmitter.

@spino2earth250

5y↑6

Earth agrees.

@fidikvien7682

4y↑7

fan lore suggests they were coming to destroy earth since they lost contact with the wales of earth, but George and Gracie told them not too since they not know the errors of their ways

@geraldpatterson3903

2y↑5

Never knew a Tootsie roll could destroy the Earth

@johnnichols8553

37w

Whatever powers the ship's artificial gravity still works...and I like how ships without power drift to a stop...in space.

@damdumah2552

5y↑8

Ty for uploading this

The probe scares the hell out of me even now

@damdumah2552

6y↑8

That thing scares the hell out of me every time

@tjames9698

8y↑12

In another novel, in an AU, you find out what would have happened had Spock never existed and the whales were never resurrected. Also, Earth is NOT the only planet this probe was checking up on.

@hiccdewforever4300

I don't know what to think if they rebooted the movie with elephants replacing the whales.

@FLAME4564

LOL XD then they would call it the Elephant probe instead of whale probe xD

@peteranserin3708

34w↑1

Can you imagine the free shrimp buffet these two and only whales have, in the ocean?

@Codestud

2y↑2

Has always reminded me of a giant liquorice allsort.

@lewmills8560

25w↑1

Does anyone notice that the probe looks a lot like "Omuamua" that passed through the solar system not long ago?

@angelvivero7325

3y↑1

I liked this movie as kid i thought it was really good but rewatching it i have so many questions like what the purpose of the probe was was it supposed to punish all life on earth for the extinction of one species any alien civilization advanced enough to create something like this should be able to easily find out that humans where behind any non natural extinctions like wtf

@PHANTOMZ0NE

2y↑2

That has got to be the biggest volleyball in the galaxy!

@lucasbachmann

26w↑1

3:47 i don't think i ever noticed the scale of the probe versus the space station.

@SackAttack81

5y↑2

The Probe completely dwarfs Spacedock: 3:45 Then at 8:35 the Probe is much smaller.

@TheGooseABANDONEDLOL98531

2y↑2

Ya know for being sector 001 and quite literally the core of the federation i would expect them to atleast try to defend earth

@tay_piss_saucer_mk.400

3y↑4

Everybody gangsta until a empress uses the whale probe sound doe 😳

@davidhall8874

The probe on only knocked out power, it knocked the cameras off kilter so that they show everything at a slant.

@eintopfmitschinken1596

7y↑47

And nobody pursued this thing. Next time it comes back and wants to talk with dinosaurs. I wonder if this thing went to other planets as well.

@BatteredWalrus

6y↑16

Eintopf Mitschinken apparently the aliens that created the probe are rather like cetations (i.e. Whales) hence needing/wanting the whales, another note in the sequel novel its reveal that the probe was attacked by tiny men in metal cubes, ergo this thing travelled through the delta quadrant and encountered an earlier form of the borg

@milesedgeworth1297

6y↑22

In the book "Probe," it is mentioned that Starfleet tried to get more information on the Probe, and Spock was able to successfully mind meld with it. Through this, they learned that the probe was created by a whale-like alien species that went extinct at the hands of the Borg, and the Probe itself had been damaged by the Borg, which it referred to as "mites". It was not supposed to be constantly transmitting its signal, nor was it supposed to disrupt the power of nearby ships with a strong frequency, but the assimilation caused by the Borg resulted in the Probe's malfunctioning.

@michelmaxed

6y↑11

Fucking Borg, eh.

@TimeTravelinc

4y↑3

EasyLee Wouldn’t be the first time that the Borg caused Cosmic Horror level of destruction. This time though it was more indirect than direct in this story.

@crisismanagement

That was before Jurassic Park. No Dino DNA in amber ideas yet.

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@tojo4

4y↑12

gotta love the Commodore 64 graphics on a 23rd century spaceship

@axebomber2108

That's the pitfall of trying to guess what the future will be like. You end up coming up with what present-day people think is futuristic, and then in a few years, even that ends up looking outdated. Even when we correctly guess future tech, it ends up only being 20 years into the future rather than 200(like touch screen tech and mobile phones).

@johnpooky84

29w↑1

@@axebomber2108no...the Pitfall would've been if there were Atari graphics on the ship computers.

@axebomber2108

29w

@@johnpooky84 Ok, I see what you did there. But I can see the crew of the Enterprise passing the time with a little Pitfall and Donkey Kong. They hadn't invented holodecks yet.

@justinquaylepate1358

3y↑5

Although STAR TREK normally didn't impress me as much as STAR WARS this was and is a huge exception because of the Humpback whales and the whale probe

@johnritcher5751

1y↑1

The most obvious thing ever said: We cannot survive without the Sun. Thank you Admiral Sherlock. Then....you wait until the probe arrives to order all ships out and sound red alert. You Sir are FIRED!!! Turns out he gets arrested and sacked in 6. 😂 how did he make Admiral being so tactically inept? That actor was better off playing Sisko's dad in DS9. Cartwright you are no James T Kirk!!

@tjames9698

8y↑49

BTW, I firmly believe that this movie and Leonard Nimoy saved this real-life species. In the US, we were killing just as many whales as any other country. This movie brought it to peoples' attention.

@leonaquilla2547

7y↑17

The United States was an initial party to the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling set up in 1946, which imposed a ban on the hunting of Humpback Whales in 1966. If you're searching for someone to blame, blame Japan and the Scandinavian countries and get out of here with this "AMERIKKKA" bullshit. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

@luckyvet

7y↑9

Nimoy is also charged with making & directing the best star trek movie ever made. There be Whales!

@redpillfreedom6692

3y↑1

At the time of filming their population had fallen to less than 1,000. Now they're up to nearly 20,000

@beepthemeep12

1y↑1

This is pretty much fact as far as I'm aware. Somewhere I read that the trend of decline started reversing around this time.

(This was many years ago)

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@raterus

23w

8:16 The probe literally says "Bye bye" to the whales

@russelltidman5376

1y↑2

That would be interesting if it comes back to chat with another species ....that is extinct it will be up to doc and Marty mcfly to save the world

@johnnyfavorite1194

Earth has the worst luck with Destructive Alien Probes showing up for reasons unknown.

@danielbusbey1362

3y↑4

I had a whale of a time watching this one!

@bennozappenduster8557

Why didn't the probe duplicate the last whales? Should have been a piece of cake.

@softdreams1776

5y↑2

If only this prob came to earth during the borg invasion wolf 359 or in first contact lol it would have killed all the borg ships instantly passing by before they got a chance to say resistance is futile

@tjames9698

8y↑9

Notice how the Captain says "Terran?"
That term is only really used in the "mirror" universe. Though not cannon, in a Star Trek book, the Borg tried to assimilate the Probe and damaged its crystal matrix. The Borg also caused the extinction of this species by altering their sun, causing an Ice Age to happen on their planet.

@FLAME4564

perhaps the whale probe somehow found its way into the mirror universe and disabled all mirror universe ships let alone an entire imperial Terran fleet in its wake XD

@OpenMawProductions

7y↑5

The term "Terran" is used on many occasions to refer to Earth. In Star Trek V, Sybok refers to Kirk as a "terran." In TNG's Best of Both Worlds, Worf refers to it as "Sector 001, the Terran system." It has nothing to do with the mirror universe.

@metaltrooper88

6y↑1

Terra means Earth. Terran is the name of the species what is living on Terra.

@k1productions87

Terra is essentially the name of the planet we live on. Earth is another word for planet or ground. So Terra is AN Earth. Somewhere in the last couple hundred years, the English language switched things around, so now we call it "Earth"

... but that's the English language for ya

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@mitchbarredo3990

30w↑1

Sarek was awesome.

@milesedgeworth1297

I wonder if that thing could be capable of neutralizing an Omega Particle?

@rogelioVela1985

6y↑6

man, imagine this prone vs The Borg

@spino2earth250

5y↑7

Probe not prone

@TimeTravelinc

I think it’s previous encounter with the Borg is what caused it to do that. At least, that’s what “Word of Mouth” fans are saying. There are notes that might say that it was that was cannon at one point.

@johnpooky84

29w

@@TimeTravelincThere's a book called "Probe", that follows up on this.

@mkwanster07

44w↑3

if the probe learned what happened to the rest of the whales, it would be pissed off and finish off Earth

@diabeticalien3584

7y↑6

This brings up an interesting point. These beings couldn't care less about their "attacks" on the humans ships. It could be that the whales were the original species of earth, and humans evolved after.

@hiccdewforever4300

7y↑1

I wonder what relationship they had with the Voth.

@diabeticalien3584

Hiccdew Forever Me too.

@luckyvet

@ Agent - those fan theories blow my mind, filling in blanks beautifully.

@wicksinn

7y↑1

This theory is from the book "Probe", it's a good theory, and the Borg are described as "super klingons in cubed ships". The Romulans were also weary that this probe was sent by earth. It's generally thought that the probe doesn't know that its signals are destructive to what the probe calls "mites".

@1978rharris

They weren’t attacking the ships. It’s just the power of their transmission is so strong that it nullifies power in starships. The probe has no idea they’re causing damage to the ship’s or Earth at all. This IS mentioned in the film.

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@NotContinuum

7y↑20

I always thought the situation with Spacedock was stupid. They knew the probe was coming and that it would disrupt all power sources they have. Why wouldn't they have done like the Admiral said and launched everything, including the Excelsior and the Miranda class in the dock? Why let those little ships with their limited life support fly around inside the dock? Incredibly stupid. (but great for showing affects)

@ganados0

7y↑3

They should have been evacuating space dock to Earth since the Probe was shutting down systems otherwise the crew would freeze to death unless they have something medical to prevent that.

@BedsitBob

7y↑2

I agree.

They should've launched all available vessels, as soon as the Saratoga was immobilised, and the evacuating ships should have taken all non-essential personnel with them, leaving just a skeleton crew aboard space-dock.

@k1productions87

6y↑3

It is possible the ships in Spacedock at the time were down for repair. Perhaps Scotty's sabotage of the Excelsior was more extensive than we realized :P

@mikegallant811

@@k1productions87 what about using shuttles?

@LoneBrowncoat

3y↑1

@02:30 The Yorktown was stranded in space, therefore the E-A really was an all new hull "...they don't build[make?] them like they used to" -Scotty, STV.

@Sekhubara

33w↑1

Holy crap, the probe is Ouamuamua!

@crazyjkz

6y↑2

Why didn't they just use their weapons to destroy the probe? Wouldn't that have solved the problem? I understand that no ships could get close to it because it would just shut down all their power and systems, but in that time period I'm sure they had extremely advanced long-range weaponry that could be launched from very long distances.

@1978rharris

6y↑1

Patrick C. That is proposed by Kirk in the film, but Spock shoots the idea down. The probe would render any approaching vessel neutral without effort.

@k1productions87

6y↑2

Phasers would be ineffectual, as any ship within Phaser range would be neutralized, and the same effect would happen to any approaching Photon Torpedo. And even on top of that, it could be theorized that the Probe's hull is a Neutronium alloy, which would be impervious to any weapons we had at the time as well

@vahidhosoda6614

1y↑2

Imagine dory in this movie

@Theri4444

7y↑5

so the probe was using some sort of EMP to disable the ships and the station and planet?

@mikegallant811

Theri4444 no it's call was being transmitted at such a high power level it was draining power from ships,ESD,and Earth grids,and affecting weather.

@sidneyfrederickson3941

6y↑3

In the novel it's implied it gets it's power from whatever source is nearby, including stars, gravity and dark matter. It is described as being capable of traveling at warp thirty when pressed.

@Davechow12

4y↑1

If the Klingons or the Romulans could ever capture this probe. The Federation is done.

@brianmorrison4330

23w

Planning on taking a swim? Off the deep end Mr Scott!

@danielmarinucci7708

4y↑3

Gene Roddenberry had said after the movie came out, the Enterprise - A was the Yorktown.
Maybe that's why 1701-A had so many problems in St 5.
general motors must have joined Starfleet 🤔

@LoneBrowncoat

That goes against on screen dialogue and reference material published that year. Maybe the old fart was getting senile then [he did let Nimoy alter the original draft of STIII].

@ShannonCarter55

34w

@@LoneBrowncoator mistaken previous Gene Roddenberry lore. He originally intended for Enterprise to be Yorktown.

@mitche5007

1y↑1

They told it what to go do with itself😊

@russell5078084

6y↑5

I'm curious how does a species without oposable thumbs achieve advanced space travel?

@crazyjkz

6y↑1

russell5078084 Well it was never really made clear as to who or what sent the whale probe and what their actual intentions were. Some just assumed it was some sort of aquatic whale-like alien race since the probe was communicating in whale sounds, and Spok had deduced that some alien species sent the probe after they lost contact with the humpback whales when they went extinct, and they sent the probe to find out why they lost contact with them. But it was never really made clear who they were and why they were communicating with the humpback whales in the first place. I think the mystery of it made it creepier because we didn't understand what their motives and intentions really were.

@russell5078084

Patrick C. Wonder how they would fair against the Borg?

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@UncleFester84

To this day j wonder if something less sophisticated could have destroyed or at least incapacitated the probe, like a railgun shot fired from outside the range of the probe "Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest SoB in space!".
It doesn't look like it has defences against a projectile moving at relativistic speed.

@rr7firefly

Wow, you really condensed this movie, didn't you?

@stevenbazinet3404

Don't understand why the Fedartion didn't set a trap for the Probe, did something to impede it. I understand it sucks and turns the power off anything it crosses, like some EMP, but there must have something the Fedeartion could have done given how much time the had before it arrived. Given that they know what it's likely heading is, what about setting up a HUGE mine field for it? Given it's large size, it's unlikely it would be able to slip through a dense mine without sustaining heavy damage. I know what people will say, that the mines would simply be rendered inoperable by the probe, but only if they require electricity. Set some up that only require a collision with the probe. Then there's giving the probe a taste of it's own medicine!

@ShannonCarter55

34w

JTVFX did a video on this and a task force tried to stop it near Mars and they failed.

@RFKFANTS67

7y↑35

The demoted and disgraced "later" Admiral Cartright

@maryhlad5277

4y↑6

RFKFANTS67 Admiral Cartwright faced a Court Marshall for his participation in the conspiracy to derail the peace talks between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.

@1willubhave

3y↑2

like most people he hated change, especially a peace treaty with the Klingons, that being said NCC-1701 C was destroyed by Romulans saving Klingons but changed when the Enterprise C met Enterprise D which would of been destroyed by the Klingons if Enterprise C did not go back into the rift..."Lets make sure history never forgets the name, Enterprise"

@RFKFANTS67

@@maryhlad5277 I know this Mary I have been following Star Trek all my life age? 55 Live long and prosper

@maryhlad5277

@@RFKFANTS67 Peace and Long Life

@stephenhuntsucker3766

1y↑1

He would have been remembered as one of the great admirals of Starfleet if he had retired before Praxis exploded.

@mpittard21

What I do t get is that these others p ships have the Same info as the enterprise spcrew would have, yet they don’t know it’s humpback noise calls 😛🧐

@adamdresch

1y↑1

I often wonder how fast that probe was moving to go from the edge of the neutral zone to earth's orbit in what seems like hours, at best, given that it's not even moving at warp.
And, another issue I have with the film, starfleet has hundreds of ships that are out and about, including the ones lazily sitting around in the space station, why on earth weren't those ships sent to repower the ships that had broken down? The people on board were basically at risk of death due to a lack of power, but no ships were seemingly sent? lol

@michaeldougherty6036

39w

The probe travels by zombie/slasher drive. The fastest AND slowest method of propulsion in the universe. Speed is determined purely by whether the camera is currently on it. On camera = slow. Off camera = unlimited speed.

@EdMcStinko

7y↑13

This was the first movie I saw on the big screen.
I was terrified of that fucked up alien ship.

@damdumah2552

6y↑4

EdMcStinko me too still am

@k1productions87

6y↑1

Oh I wish I had seen this in the theaters. Granted I would have only been 5 at the time. Still, it was the first Star Trek I had ever seen, and what effectively got me interested in the franchise. It is a shame my first ever theatrical Trek experience was Final Frontier, LOL

@TimeTravelinc

EdMcStinko According to canon, it was f**ked only b/c of the Borg. There’s a comment around here of what happened, claiming that the probe passed through the Delta quadrant, causing once again Cosmic Horror levels of terror by the Borg. This time, more indirect than direct.

@Sasuke81a

4y↑5

The damage caused by the Whale Probe makes me think of the effects of the world wide sickness going on.

Besides, why didn't Starfleet launched all their ships before the Whale Probe had arrived? The Federation had plenty of warning.

@FLAME4564

Though one problem all attempts at Starfleet issuing any form of warning would have been suppessed since Starfleets communications systems would have lost all internal power.

@ShannonCarter55

34w

They no doubt tried all the way to the Terran system until all they had left where the ships in Spacedock that were likely down for maintenance or final phases of construction were all that was left. Don't be too surprised if there were dozens of starships and support craft neutralized and on reserve power in the wake of the Whale Probe.

@seannewhouse1943

Looks just like oumamua!!! Unless that thing was sueved off of the original Galactic supernova I would sure think it's alien

@AVBruggen

1y↑2

This is what the news of Oumuamua in 2017 reminded me of.

@atigerclaw

1y↑2

Imagine, you're chillin, not knowing anything about this, and then suddenly you just hear this deep omnipresent sound: "WOMWOMWOMWOMWOMWOMWOMW-"

This is your experience as a nobody on Earth.

And then the weather just goes to hell.

@davidjames666

@8:18 all that destruction from a giant tootsie roll

@InsaneTreefrog

1y↑2

That probe almost killed not just Earth, but the whole Star Trek franchise

@danielbusbey1362

3y↑1

Those damned Klingon crystals!

@damenwhelan3236

5y↑1

So basically an alien rendition of "I like big butts" brought the alpha quadrant to a stand still.

@jjack232

7y↑19

I just noticed the guy that plays Admiral Cartwright plays as Ben Sisko's father.

@kilroy987

6y↑1

Huh, that never registered.

@richterman3962

6y↑1

I saw that too, sounds like him too

@TheRichardSpearman

6y↑2

Brock Peters - also appeared in the TV series Mission Impossible.

@demarcusfaulkner7411

6y↑2

I never realize that.

@jimhuffman9434

5y↑2

The captain of the Saratoga also played Silvia La Forge in TNG

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@JonesNate

Am I the only one who thought the whale sounded peeved?

And why is Negura on some random little starship?

@Tounushi

6y↑8

So... how many actually think the captain's Michael Burnham?

@1978rharris

Tounushi Woah!!!

@LordTalax

6y↑6

Back during these movies, women used actual women's' names

@k1productions87

6y↑2

Well, we never heard what the Captain of the Saratoga's name actually was. That, and there was also "Mister Saavik" from two movies prior

@chromedog68

@@LordTalax An men used real men's names. Like Marion. :p

@develynseether4426

3y↑1

In the novelisation of The Voyage Home her surname is established as Alexander.

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@sherbournesubwaymess

There should have been subtitles between the whales and the probe!!!

ZERO out of FOUR stars. BOMB!

@williamharrell3622

3y↑1

RIP sinclair

@lucaspatrick542

Biggest probe I ever saw... had a thing for whales.

@pendarpr

2y↑1

I never knew what the whales and the probe said to each other ;-(

@abbymorel4925

2y↑3

In the novelization, the probe was looking for whales to hear their stories. Once "George & Gracie" showed up, they spoke to the probe & had no idea how they got there, and had no stories to hand down, because they didn't have a pod to learn from. The probe said it'd be back again, & anticipate young stories. Then the probe left.

@stephens.3483

1y↑1

To paraphrase another commenter..... "Sup bud? You good?"-"Chillin ya know." -"Yup just checking in. See you around."

@christofferjohn2055

3y↑4

back when a black femal captain was just a part of the story, and not THE story

@johnpooky84

29w

Carol Freeman (Captain of the U.S.S. Cerritos) is WAAAYY better as a captain than Michael Burnham.

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@tubawritaguy

7y↑14

What I liked most about this scene is showing the first black female captain, not from a tv series and a South Asian also, maybe, a Captain.

@ProjecthuntanFish

7y↑1

Why? Are you a racist?

@tyranusfan

7y↑4

Because later Paramount was bragging about Sisko being the first black captain, and Janeway the first female...apparently they didn't remember this movie! lol

@messengerguardiansparanorm8606

6y↑1

Very true. They didn't remember. Thank you for saying that (I am a black dude, by the way). I am glad someone pointed this out. I think what they were referring to was these human tropes/characteristics were part of the central make-up of the core figure in the story, not just some side-attraction that gets an honorable mention, like in ST IV. Yet, in all strictness, you are correct.

@messengerguardiansparanorm8606

6y↑1

Why "racist"? Of course not. A studio finally chose to step outside the normal models and expectations their audiences had created and expected, and portray starship captains as something other than what was expected, looking like the rest of humanity.

It was a mega-first for trek (though not the Trek Universe)--Paramount, that is. One does not have to be "a racist" to take notice of certain film & acting molds being broken. Madge Sinclair went un-credited for her role in this. I think that was a brilliant decision she made. She went on to play Jorde LaForge's mother, the Captain of the U.S.S. Hera.

All of this was just before the start of that retched "political correctness" that so plagues our society now. I applaud this being done before there was "pressure" to do so. I expect this of Trek, even today.

@bazsohamster

6y↑1

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@danielthorp8717

23w

Does anyone notice the Seti Display at Starfleet Head Quarters.

@richterman3962

6y↑1

That vessel looks like Nimoy's cigarette

@lilchicklets

7y↑11

I always wondered what they said to each other.

@eamonnca1

7y↑13

Yo! You guys still around?
Hey! Sup bud!
Just checking in, dude. Good yo see you! How you guys doin down there?

@ladyfire44

6y↑14

The probe was asking the whales why they stopped being in contact with it. George sadly explained that humanity had been hunting them and drove their race to extinction in the 21st century. He and Gracie are the only survivors who came from the past to speak to it. When the probe learned what happened to the humpback whales, it offered to destroy humanity to help them repopulate their race. George refused and mentions not all humanity are evil. He explains that they're noble and willing to help them repopulate. George uses Kirk, his crew and Dr. Gillian Taylor as prime examples. The probe accepts their wishes to spare humanity and deactivates it's antenna. Thanking George and Gracie for speaking to it, the probe leaves to reverse the damages it done with it's transmission.

@moonleafteaofthemonth

6y↑4

ladyfire44 I like that idea. But I also like the idea that the scene itself is played straight with just the whale sounds back and forth, leaving it to interpretation, especially with the way it's never further explained what the probe is or where it came from, leaving that open to interpretation as well. But the animal activist side of me tends to agree with your analysis, and the nature of the probe itself gives the sense of the possibility that whales possess an intelligence that may or may not exceed our own, depending on how you look at it.