Songwriter, composer, multi-instrumentalist and producer Dave S-B has been … Read Full Bio ↴Songwriter, composer, multi-instrumentalist and producer Dave S-B has been creating since the dawn of (his) time. Classically trained from a young age, he went through composing for piano to the teen years of writing for and gigging with a heavy rock band. From there he moved on to a wide variety of styles, both in writing and performing, from experimental dub reggae to working in theatre and film composition.

Haunting, unique, edgy, and intriguing - his music covers dark dance, drum and bass, edgy rock plus gorgeous ambience. His wide-ranging influences and experiences shine through in unexpected ways as he captures deep emotions in music.

Dave S-B works and plays in his studio deep in the mountains of North Snowdonia, UK.

Dark
Dave S-B Lyrics

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ヒプノシスマイク
Bright
Dark

いざ決着光差すその場所へ

Bright and dark, bright and dark
Bright and dark, bright and dark

今も耳に響く残響と
残像が淡く揺れるキャンドル
鬱憤の暴走既に末期症状
されど探す灰の中のダイヤモンド
眩しく光るだけ強くなる影
過去を辿り答え探す背理法
間違った流れ見過ごせない現状
ならば友として君を倒そう

功も罪も履き違えてた
ド正論ばかりの傍聴者 (はぁ?)
そんなバカはもうここに居ねぇ
勝ち以外無価値だったあの頃の俺じゃねぇ
過去を乗り越えた痛みも知った
だから絆守る為に切る啖呵
俺が俺であるための讃歌
今ここでお前を倒す

Bright and dark, bright and dark
曝け出せ己の陰と陽

揺れるネオンと街の喧噪
艶やかな光が僕の戦場
君達の輝きはイミテーション
幾ら磨いても意味ないさ

弁護士なんかに俺のブラックな世界見えるか?
坊主と厨二病に営業ができるか?
むやみやたらタスクの細分化
だけど誇り高く生きる俺を笑えんのかっ!?

幾多の修羅場対応してきた多様性
飲みの経験値段違い
散々な目なら数えきれんが
不公平嘆くばかりじゃねぇ勘違い
独歩君とカマす verse 絆で繋ぐ
「ごめん」と言えカスッ! ナゴヤぬるま湯
揺るがす絶妙のスクラム
死角無し最強シンジュク麻天狼

Bright and dark, bright and dark
光と影表裏一体

臨場破邪顕正説法
臆病共すっこんでな開眼拙僧
無名に勝る悪名の覚悟も無ぇんだろ?
阿呆道化は退け!

心に染み付いた贅肉 (ah)
狡猾なやり口のシンジュク
理念理想こそ失うなかれ (woo)
常に問う我の在る意義を myself

逃げてばかりじゃなんも始まんねぇ
ぶつかるのを恐れてちゃ打ち解けねぇ
傷みに耐えながら最前線
闘う清い絆に光りあれ
喜びも苦悩も三人で背負う
真の勝者となるまでは後退せぬ
乾坤一擲
掲げる不退転
ナゴヤ bad ass temple 抜かりはねぇ

Bright and dark, bright and dark
白黒つけに参上

光と影入り混じるこの街で I'm alive
Border を越えて叫び続けろ howling
命の限り削り合う言葉 battle tribe
美しく (hey) 分捕るか (hey) 醜く (hey) 朽ち果てるのか
Light and shadow (oh), bright and dark, yeah (oh)
譲れない陰陽の連鎖
鳴り止まぬヒプノシスマイク
Light and shadow (oh), bright and dark, yeah (oh)
我が為に闘う怨嗟天罰も恐れぬ rhyme

Bright and dark, bright and dark
Bright and dark, bright and dark

Bright, dark
麻天狼説法

下品にギラついたパーティー (no)
少し落ち着きましょうハーブティー (yeah)
姫を脅えさす仲間傷つける
礼儀知らずなお客はお帰り願う

夜の街に巣食いながら渡り歩く席
そんなホストの作法は受け入れないっす
見たくないオトナの小細工
泡沫の夢我が水泡に帰す

生産性が無い夢見がちな言霊 (妄想)
健康な胃腸まだまだお子ちゃま
演じるな憂鬱やめとけよそのブーツ (ヘンだぞー)
代わりに買ってやるリクルートスーツ

おい正義感を振り翳したかねぇんだが
その悲観主義な性格は正そうか
逆ギレじゃなんも変わらねぇ
暴走前に己見つめ止まれ

嗚呼何故か美しくも感じるこの battle
必要なのは対話だと私は悟る
無益な争いに価値は無いと諭す
敵である貴方達もいつか私が救う

救う? それは貴様の驕りなり
過信憂い末路かくも醜けり
万民が選ぶ道先導者要らん
己の足で歩く求道者であれ

なるほど揚げ足を取る論法
稚拙だが無関心を気取るよりは良いでしょう
ならば人に道を説く僧の貴方にさえ
私のやり方で道を示そう!

Haha さすが面白れぇな寂雷いいぜ
受けてやるぜその因業ななり振る舞い
拙僧の末代まで尽きぬ悪態
テメェごときにゃ正せねぇ洒落臭ぇ!

Bright and dark, bright and dark
切磋琢磨し合う仲間達と宣言

Bright and dark, bright and dark
強い絆結び合う幾千年

運命を共にするシンジュク麻天狼

命はれる家族ナゴヤ bad ass temple

Bright and dark, bright and dark
いざ決着光差すその場所へ

繰り返す因果応報
新たな天地創造
逆鱗に触れる韻と flow
陰と陽 poetic justice

光と影入り混じるこの街で I'm alive
Border を越えて叫び続けろ howling
命の限り削り合う言葉 battle tribe
美しく (hey) 分捕るか (hey) 醜く (hey) 朽ち果てるのか
Light and shadow (oh), bright and dark, yeah (oh)
譲れない陰陽の連鎖
鳴り止まぬヒプノシスマイク
Light and shadow (oh), bright and dark, yeah (oh)
我が為に闘う怨嗟天罰も恐れぬ rhyme
叫べ声尽きるまで

Bright and dark, bright and dark
Yo yo yo yo
Bright and dark, bright and dark
Yo yo yo yo

運命を共にするシンジュク麻天狼
命はれる家族ナゴヤ bad ass temple
Bright and dark, bright and dark
いざ決着光差すその場所へ

Bright, dark
ヒプノシスマイク

Overall Meaning

The lyrics to Dave S-B's song "Dark" are filled with imagery and themes of contrast, struggle, and self-reflection. The song explores the dual nature of life, represented by the recurring phrases "bright and dark" and "light and shadow." These contrasts symbolize the ups and downs, the triumphs and challenges that one experiences in life.

The lyrics delve into the inner turmoil and conflicts faced by the singer, as they search for their true identity and purpose. They reflect on past mistakes and the need to overcome them, acknowledging the pain and growth that comes with it. The singer declares their determination to protect their bond with their friends and overcome their own weaknesses.

The song also touches on themes of societal expectations and the pressures to conform. It critiques those who judge or misunderstand the singer's choices and values, emphasizing the importance of individuality and living with pride.

In the midst of the chaotic city life, the lyrics express a desire to find meaning and purpose. The singer acknowledges the constant battle between the forces of light and darkness within themselves and the world around them. They proclaim their commitment to continue fighting and questioning their own existence until they become true winners.

The lyrics of "Dark" are a powerful exploration of inner struggles, self-discovery, and the ongoing fight for one's identity and purpose in a complex world.

Lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC
Written by: Kouji Ide

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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

CHRISTOPHER OLIVER

1y↑2

This series on Dave Stieb is simply awesome. Very detailed, and the series deeply goes into the talent and the psyche of Stieb. Very well-done!

Stieb was dominant in the 1980s...flawed? yes; outstanding? you bet. I hope that Stieb has had the opportunity to watch this. An excellent series on an outstanding player!

Stieb was learning how to say "hello" when it was time to say "goodbye". Luckily, he had that last whirl in 1998. I was at SkyDome when he won his 1998 start...big lead, made it through five. I had tears!

Sir David, Madman, Mossman...there was (and will ever be) only one Dave Stieb!

Have to add: Loved the graphics, loved the articles, loved the passages from "Tomorrow I'll Be Perfect"!

All comments from YouTube:

Secret Base

2y↑1.3K

hey everybody! Jon here. Alex and i hope you’ve enjoyed this series so far. thanks for giving us the time of day. just wanted to give y’all a heads-up: Part 2 is going up Tuesday, March 15th, Part 3 runs Tuesday, March 29th, and Part 4 runs Tuesday, April 12th. why aren’t we releasing them sooner? the answer is simple: i have a poor work ethic! i don’t want to work hard! anyways in between we’ve got some other good Secret Base stuff coming, including a Weird Rules from Seth and Clara about a baseball game that was delayed for the dumbest possible reason. hope you enjoy, and we’ll have much more Stieb Content coming your way soon.

Mikal04

2y↑3

Surprised with the choice of topic but good video otherwise

danwindows7

2y↑6

Looking forward to more Clara content!

No Way

2y↑17

A whole 6 weeks to complete the Story of Stieb?! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

Nols

2y↑4

is there any way we can find the music used in this video, pastebin, etc?

Trickshot Master

2y↑8

@Nols All the names and artists are listed in order during the credits at the last 10 seconds of the video

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Corbin G

2y↑4K

I’ve never heard of Dave Stieb but I am fully prepared to get deeply emotionally invested in him and his career

Brad Ferguson

2y↑77

He was the man. Legend in Toronto.

luisguillermojg

2y↑23

Hard same.

Craig Vatcher

2y↑16

I'll never forget when he finally got his no hitter. Remember that game like it was yesterday.

Thomas Ma

2y↑3

he only played till '93, so i dont know how many theres gonna be, but im still hyped

Squillz

2y↑2

@Thomas Ma 4 part series!! Plenty to praise!

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Asephelele Shabalala

2y↑1.3K

Because of Dorktown I am now:
- a mariners fan
- a falcons fan
- a dave stieb fan

Pandarobot42

2y↑3

Same

William Haber

2y↑15

As a Seattle transplant sports fan originally from Miami I liked the Mariners but Dorktown made me love them

g loven2run

2y↑34

Never heard of Dave stieb before this.. now I talk to other people about him like I watched him growing up.

Grayson Byass-Rascoe

2y↑4

Bought a griffey jr and sr jersey cause of it lol

David L

2y↑6

Im with you, well, not a falcons fan, not sure anything could get me there, but I just bought a signed Dave Stieb baseball and now me and my kid are Mainers and Dave Stieb fans. Good god this was heart breaking to watch.

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Hawko Hakker

2y↑529

I mean this with absolute sincerity: Jon Bois is probably one of the best storytellers currently alive

SoulFly

2y↑37

the whole team is tbh. theres nothing like it.

up the stairs

2y↑31

They have a preternatural ability to make people who have zero interest in sports care about sports.

Nick Jenkins

2y↑1

Pure magic he is

unprofound

41w

Not hyperbole.

Missouri Skinwalker

32w

No, the best living storyteller is Mr. beast. Otherwise he wouldn't be the most popular.

Daniel Phillips

2y↑399

"To say the move backfired implies the possibility that it could have correctly fired"

More absolute gold from Jon Bois.

Reynolds Rodríguez

2y↑577

I am just delighted with the fact that you guys connected Roy Halladay to Dave Stieb in such a dramatic way. This is a great masterpiece.

JWex1997

2y↑34

That was just Halladay’s 2nd career start too!
They even gave a connection in that beginning to Stieb’s final MLB manager Tim Johnson, who his story is forgotten by many except Blue Jays fans.
Managed them to a 88-74 record his 1st season and then got fired in Spring training 1999 when it was found out all his thrilling and motivational stories about being a war veteran in Vietnam were all lies and the team hated his guts for it.

Mr4one6

2y↑3

For real that was excellent. I really appreciate how these guys find those connections

SoulFly

2y↑13

correction halliday connected himself to stieb like this. and literally noone noticed except secret base. for like decades. this is why i love secret base.

Shaun Young

2y↑4

@SoulFly I believe Bobby Higginson was the man who created the connection. I don't think Halladay intended that pitch to wind up in the bullpen.

MK Piatkowski

2y↑9

@SoulFly Nope, us Jays fans made a big deal of it symbolizing a passing of the torch at the time. This began Toronto's love affair with Doc.

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Mikko Vitug

2y↑960

I'm a huge Dave Stieb fan and this is my first time hearing of him

Duane Day

2y↑15

Dave Stieb pitched the first no hitter in blue Jays franchise history on my birthday September 2.
Dave's a cool guy in private life I've been told.

STEBJIN

2y↑57

@Duane Day Spoilers!

montblanc noland

2y↑2

The power of Jon and Alex bro these guys have an innate talent to make things seems grandiose is nuts

Serrara Mayfield

@STEBJIN I mean if you looked at the poster for the series it already shows it, plus the foreshadowing is already there

Michael Penrose

2y↑4

@Duane Day what an awesome day that was. My brother and I were listening to it on the radio while doing yard work. Went in to watch the 9th. What a game

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MDBandit

2y↑28

Watching this for a second time. You know your in for a good Dorktown when Jon has a throwaway line about a MLB coach getting canned for making up Vietnam War stories in the first couple mins.

shlomgar

2y↑33

That Halladay intro is like these video game overtures, where you play another character starting maxed up with a boss fight and lose, just to introduce you to the game mechanics. Genius.

khareth bartee

2y↑637

completely caught me off guard seeing my uncles Detroit team making an appearance in the first minute of the video. RIP Kimera Bartee. Another great video though you guys. keep these vids coming

Secret Base

2y↑376

really glad you liked it! i read about your uncle's passing just a few days ago, i'm so sorry. from what i read it was very clear that he was beloved in detroit and everywhere else he went. - jon

Teen LaQueefa

2y↑14

Wow, sorry for your loss. I am feeling like a community of friends who watch these and I will say a prayer for your family. The pain can be comforted by the assurance of him at peace in the end.

Dale Anderson

2y↑8

My condolences to you and your family.

Dailey Shorts

2y↑17

Your uncle is one of my all time fav Toledo Mud Hens! Ive lived in toledo my whole life n have easily attended 500 Hens games. Kimera Bartee ALWAYS seemed to be smiling, taking time for the kids, and just enjoying every moment he was in. Def one of the guys i wished i had asked for an autograph but sadly always thought "I'll have another chance".
RIP KIMERA BARTEE. ONCE A HEN, ALWAYS A HEN. WE FLOCK TOGETHER. ❤Muddy

Enroaching Entei

2y↑5

dang i remember him from the pirates, good guy

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Hero to Millions

2y↑59

Best pitcher of the 80s. Arguably best pitcher in Blue Jays history. An absolute travesty that he's not in the hof. If he played on any team other than Toronto, he probably would be. Really hope you guys bring him some well deserved recognition

Buck Ó Donnghaile

2y↑2

I couldn't agree more but my brother thinks "Dave Stieb, best pitcher of the 80s" are fighting words.

Courtney Valdez

1y↑4

If he’d been able to produce after the age of 32, he’d definitely be in. He’d have like 250ish wins, with the rest of his resume. He probably stays his whole career in Toronto and is available to pitch in the first WS, and then would win the second one. Unfortunately, it’s all what ifs. Certainly of the best who isn’t in the Hall.

Hero to Millions

1y↑3

@Courtney Valdez he had 16 years in the bigs. If Sandy Koufax, who had 12 years and is a worse pitch than Stieb by a large margin, can make the Hall, then Stieb should be in the Hall too. Steib does have a WS ring

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Mom’s New Boyfriend

2y↑252

I can't believe Dave Stieb gets his own Dorktown, I'm so immeasurably exited

tiedomi80

2y↑4

It took me a hot minute to realize what I was looking at!

Kermit Frog

2y↑3

i still can't believe it

Tom Campbell

2y↑1

"Excited"?

Thor-Orion MelqarTyr

Who da fock is that guy?!

Bismuth

2y↑2K

I have the utmost respect for the amount of work that goes into making long haul, exhaustive video series like this one. You guys must be elated to finally release this masterpiece into the world.

cMichaelDoobs

2y↑5

Excellent work!! 👏 👏

BananaCat310

2y↑19

it’s the speedrun guy

La Ropasucia

2y↑18

And you would know!

Quality Westerwood

2y↑18

Damn this is like the baseball bits/summoning salt arc

Dan Dischino's Variety Hour

2y↑3

Oh hey, its bismuth! Another great video creator

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That smrt Guy

2y↑13

Quick side note for those who don’t: Buck Martinez wasn’t just a great catcher, he’s the Jays announcer now, he’s the guy who people are willing to spend hours every day for 6 months listening to. He was also recently diagnosed with Cancer, here’s hoping for a quick recovery.

MultiInternets

1y↑5

Buck is back baby!

Jefferson Glessner

2y↑26

As a lifelong Seattle Mariners fan, I didn’t think anything could get any better than that documentary. After watching the first episode of this, my jaw is wide open. Brilliant! I now have emotions about a guy who I never heard of, my dad has never heard of, and several baseball fanatics I know have never heard of. I am SOOOO stoked for the next episode!

Drizzy uzumaki

This was good but I’d say mariner’s history was better

Cardboard Empire

2y↑84

wipes away a tear Finally, someone understands Stieb's greatness. Thank you.

drogba716

keith law is a big-time stieb backer

B Hji Hari

2y↑43

Only the opening credits sequence and I'm already in tears

Also shoutout to Johnny Vander Meer for pitching two no hitters in a row in 1938, visible at 4:53

L1573N3R

2y↑99

I grew up in Western New York in the '70s and '80s. Never has there been a more unsung hero deserving, even retroactively, his place in history as Dave Stieb. Thank you for this.

Flynn Hagerty

2y↑10

Greatest Blue Jay ever and his frickin’ number isn’t even retired

CHRISTOPHER OLIVER

1y↑1

@Flynn Hagerty The two Blue Jays who were the first to reach the "Level of Excellence" should have their numbers retired:
1. Dave Stieb #37
2. George Bell #11
I agree with Halliday's #32 being retired, but if his is retired, Stieb and Bell should receive the same honor.
Finally, it is time to put Roberto Alomar's #12 back into circulation...he destroyed that privledge.

bandjolyn

2y↑1.2K

I can't wait to watch a 5 part series about a dude I've never heard of, who plays a sport I don't follow, in a country I don't live. No sincerely, I can't wait!

Hubert Beck

2y↑68

In that case I'm afraid you will have to wait a little longer. This is just a 4 part series.

J.J Jameson

2y↑1

Same

Jason Remy

2y↑1

This is why we're all here

Tim Noonan

2y↑15

@Hubert Beck very Boisian response lol

motors1103

2y↑6

Growing up, I watched Dave Stieb, play a sport I follow, in a country in which I live... and I can't wait either!

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Defective

2y↑8

Seriously, guys, that opening intro is so god damned beautiful and you should be damned proud of everything you've made that has gone into it. Congratulations, this has been an awesome ride so far.

Rob Richards

2y↑5

Stieb was a beast in his prime and the Blue jays ace for over a decade. He still does alumni events and is a great Blue jay ambassador at charity events. He never got the recognition he deserved for being one the dominant pitcher of the 80's, so its good too see somebody finally cover his story.

ShawnGron

2y↑290

Me at the 1 minute mark: "How are they going to stretch this into 4 episodes?"

Me at the 20 minute mark: "How are they going to squeeze all if this into only 4 episodes!?!?!?"

Q E

2y↑22

Another banger. I can’t say I’ve watched more than 5 hours of baseball in my 20+ years on this earth but these stories are so damn compelling, I’m glued to the screen as if it were my lifelong interest. Incredible work.

SoulFly

your missing out. theres nothing in the world like going to a ball game.

thegoldenyear

2y↑339

Decked out in our STIEB 37 Jays jerseys, my best friend and I quietly cheered against then-absolute no-name Halladay during that ninth inning. We didn’t need a second-start kid bagging a no-no with the progenitor of Blue Jay heartbreak in the ‘pen and likely on his last Major League watch.

We were in the top-ring 500s, first row, homemade Stieb signs draped over the ugly cinder siding, shading toward centre-right. Higginson, one of the better Detroit players, left off the lineup card that day until his call to interrupt history, launched that gopher into the sky and we just looked at each other, eyes saying “trajectory,” and watched it carom into Stieb’s mitt.

He barely flinched. It’s not an easy catch, considering speed and surface, either. He held the ball until the handshakes, quietly dropping into the kid’s hand, and that was that.

Jeez. If I’m getting THIS much material off a sidebar story, what am I gonna get out of the main course? Much-younger me was also at Stieb’s home debut, July 9, 1979, a four-hit 7-1 CG win where the only Brewers hits came off hall of famers (Yount, Molitor) or future battery mates (Buck). Lot to unpack. Looking forward to the opportunity.

pigGRAY

2y↑7

Those 79 Brewers were no joke either. They lost to NYY in the playoffs.

thegoldenyear

@pigGRAY Sort of the proto Harvey’s Wallbangers of ‘82, right? Yeah, they were good, deep, consistent. Lot of near-.600 seasons in that Brewers period.

pigGRAY

2y↑2

@thegoldenyear they really did have some good teams in the mid 70s up to early 90s. When Molitor left to win a ring was the beginning of the dark era. At least us fans had somethings to root for since the mid 2000s. Those dang 82 Cards.

thegoldenyear

2y↑4

@pigGRAY I suspect we have another - and I say this without an ounce of salt - healthy Cards hater here. That org’s gotten up into SO many grills over the years. Seems they’re always around when heartache’s on the menu. Unless they’re playing the Papi-era Sox. (I liked those turn-of-the-‘80s Brewers teams, fwiw. Classy guys, beer-league avatar guys, HOF guys, best darned ball cap logo ever, effectively Fonzie’s hometown, a lot to appreciate… When Molitor and Hisle won up here in 1993 I remember sparing a thought for MIL fans and hoping they got a little something out of seeing Paul’s eyes welling up in the group celebrations following the Carter HR.)

pigGRAY

2y↑6

@thegoldenyear i still have Larry Hisels autograph for some odd reason. Do i hate the Cards.....nah but i wont doubt their dominance. Its strange how they beat the Brewers in 82 and now they both are in the same division. I also will never hate the Cubs. My family used to be able to pick up WGN in the 70s/80s and since they were the closest NL team to Milwaukee, i always rooted for them....the WhiteSox tho are a different story. I seen some good fan fisticuffs when both teams were in the AL.
God bless Cub fans....Card fans too.
Lets go True Blue Brew Crew (if they have a season this year at least)!!!!

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WakkaWakkaGaming

2y↑859

Every time they do a new Dorktown, and they show the big overview of all the different episodes woven together, I realize that the stories come together to make a literal town, composed of data charts and stories

Squillz

2y↑36

@Brickwallblitz By dorks, from dorks, for dorks!

Alexander Tolivaisa

2y↑9

Jon calls it the Dorktown neighborhood.

Dakota Thomas

2y↑2

The boys here have such good creative talent and energy.

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JAMD15 JAMD19

2y↑7

I was a die hard Jays fan in the 80's. I knew all about Dave and was his biggest fan. It was heart breaking to lose to Kansas.

Thanks so much to all the people and their work to make this video. I can't wait for the rest of the series!

Ricky Tavilla

2y↑1

I was a psycho Red Sox fan then never missed a pitch, Stieb killed us

Clayton Molloy

2y↑6

Boys, this is amazing. I grew up watching those blue Jays, I can't like this enough. Steib had one of the most disgusting curveballs of all time. I'm glad I wasn't old enough to realize how badly MLB jobbed him over. Can't wait for the next parts. Thank you.

Fries

2y↑115

39:53 Barfield does hitting lessons relatively close to where I live and after meeting with him a few months back, I can confirm he is one of the nicest, and funniest people I’ve met.

I don’t think I’ve smiled more at a baseball related event in my life.

Alex Wray

2y↑4

Met him in Cooperstown when I was 12 and he let me wear his 1983 Home Run Leader ring. A wonderful, wonderful man

db105

Are you in the Houston area?

Christian Monterroso

2y↑16

I arrived in Toronto from Guatemala via Honduras in 1985 as an 11 year old baseball fanatic. I grew up watching and idolizing Stieb and the Blue Jays.
I have learned a lot about Stieb pre 85 and can’t wait for the rest of this series.

FireProximity

2y↑111

After doing a little research on Dave Stieb, I hope this series can have a similar effect that Foolish Baseball's vid on Larry Walker had on his legacy and hall of fame candidacy. There is no way a player can dominate his position for a decade and not be recognized for it. Though different his peak stats remind me of Felix Hernandez.

James Malthus

2y↑24

@Charlie Morris Veterans Committee, baby!

Tyler Coleman

19 seasons. 19! Crazy

Fox D

2y↑2

First thing I did was pull up Baseball Reference and...

...no. Not a Hall of Famer. Good career. Even a Very Good career. But a Hall of Fame career? There's a hundred guys at least with a better argument than Stieb's got.

James Malthus

2y↑14

@Fox D Forgive me if I'm wrong as I'm pretty new to baseball, but isn't part of the veterans committee to look at more than stats and accolades? A dude that didn't pitch until he was 20 and was one of the best in the game just a few years later is remarkable. And would be he a HoF candidate in your eyes if he had picked up a Cy Young award or two?

Fox D

2y↑3

@James Malthus I'm a stat guy through and through when it comes to baseball and basketball (football is a different beast because of the nature of the game; I'm not qualified to talk about hockey.)

A Cy Young Award or two would tilt the balance for sure, so would a World Series (Stieb wasn't on the '93 Jays), but even with that, the numbers don't really "pop" in a way you want them to for a Hall of Famer. Just my two cents, of course. If you're more about intangibles and the "fame" part of "Hall of Fame", Stieb certainly has a case that way—one Jon and Alex are clearly making with their documentary here.

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Ayden Peele

2y↑388

I have never once cared about baseball, but Jon and Alex have a magical power to make me care about anything and everything, god damn it I love you guys.

universe 86

2y↑14

the mariners story is just classic tv. they have years of teams and eras to do more dorktowns.

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FaceRip

2y↑38

If you're down here in the comments after having just watched all 50 minutes of this video, I would implore you to go back and rewatch the first 5 minutes. You will suddenly gain a whole new perspective on the magnitude of this video's opening. It just gave me chills.

Omar Korayem

1y↑2

I watched this series as it was coming out. Im here watching it again and the chills are indeed real

Chase Stankievech

2y↑15

Super pumped for this series! As a Blue Jays fan, I'm all for my favourite sports channel shining a light and drawing attention towards the team, city, and ulitmately an entire country, telling us these stories in a unique and intriguing way. Dorktown never ceases to amaze and excite me! WIthout a doubt you guys have created the greatest sports anthology..thank you!

Christopher Bowen

2y↑2

As a Mariners fan… enjoy. I still get goosebumps at the end of the Mariners series.

Christian Lawrence

2y↑21

Long form Chart Party is on trajectory to reach perfection. The Falcons, the Mariners, the Bobs... the topics, the music, the graphics, it's all so good.

Is it even possible to wait for the compilation to release or do most watch all the individual parts and then watch the whole thing again?

Cheers for this and these, yall.

IgniteFIFAHD

2y↑5

As a Jays fan I know this one’s gonna make me incredibly happy and also break my heart at the same time

Paul

2y↑35

Huge fan of Mr. Bois. As an 80's Toronto kid, having The Man present the story of The Man? I'm so happy right now.

Kermit Frog

2y↑2

Few know the joys of growing up in Toronto in the 1980's.

Ricky Tavilla

One of the most beautiful cities in the world.

Nico Williams

2y↑224

Jon and Alex make these stories sound like the mythology of some mostly forgotten civilization

st2udent _

2y↑9

See also Jon's devry video to see that actually happen 🤣

Jensi Oquendo

2y↑2

Given Jon has written 17776, he very much cares about sports in a way that the theoretical people in that story don't.

Soft-Top Convertible Metalhead

2y↑1

As an old-school Jays fan that began during Stieb's run, I can say that this is OUTSTANDING. Thank you for putting this together, it looks like an immense amount of work.

RichterLocke

Stieb is one of the forgotten heroes of the 1980's pitching wise, he was just so damn good!

Old Man Black Socks

2y↑16

This is already my favourite Secret Base episode.
Probably because I'm a lifelong Jays fan who watched Dave Stieb, Todd Stoddlemeyer, Al Leiter, etc throw when I was both in little league after watching the Jays do back-to-back World Series. Watching Joe Carter's walk-off on live TV was one of the defining moments of my childhood.

Georges Necer - Lisboa

About time Dave Stieb got some credit. I grew up watching him pitch and he was always the best pitcher I saw. I always thought it strange why no one ever talked about him. I can't believe it has taken this long for him to get some recognition.

oswjim

2y↑31

Dorktown series is a love letter to baseball .... great work --- this one hit close to home ... i remember watching these early 80s blue jays in my home country (Venezuela) since a countryman; Luis Leal, was part of the pitching rotation those years -- at one point he was only behind Clancy & Stieb in number of starts

MK Piatkowski

2y↑1

I remember Luis Leal! Got to see him live a couple of times. He was great for us.

Retro Baseball

2y↑416

I have watched baseball my entire life, and research it with the majority of my free time, but I guarantee Jon and Alex will tell me something that I never knew about this man.

Pashizzle500

2y↑15

I’m from the UK and went into the Seattle Mariners series never having heard of them, experiencing their fortunes entirely through the incredible storytelling of Jon and Alex. I fell in love with them, and the series got me through the first lockdown. I had never heard of Dave Stieb before this video and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

steven cooke

2y↑2

I'm from Toronto and thought I knew Stieb but I assumed he had been pitching for years prior to his major league debut.

I knew the media hated him. And that there was a tendency to write off teams north of the border, particularly the then-recent expansion Jays who were far worse than their cousins the Mariners.

Millipede666

2y↑4

You should think long and hard about what this says about American sports writers. That the best pitcher in baseball barely registered with the people that are paid to write about it is an embarrassment.

Fox D

@Millipede666 Sportswriters have gotten a lot better about understanding the sports they cover. Even on completely amateur blogs you'll find great, insightful writing.

Unless you're talking gen-sports guys on national media. ESPN has been a bastion of ignorance for decades and embraces it.

Millipede666

@Fox D I was referring to the overall culture. Yes there are amazing writers all over the place these days but they tend not be in prominent positions in national sports media.

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MD4Kids

2y↑7

I’m old enough to remember him pitching for Toronto. I knew he was good but not much else. Thank you for an interesting presentation. I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.

Kenji Mapes

2y↑7

I remember him as a kid growing up watching my beloved Mets. I was always into stats & playing arm chair GM. I always wanted the Mets to add him to our insane rotation. The Blue Jays were always pretty loaded & talented in those days. Same with the Expos. Dave Stieb had an insane curveball. He probably had one of the nastiest hooks ever. I remember their insane outfield too of George Bell, Lloyd Moseby & Jesse Barfield.

Rmpaq5

As a long time Tigers' fan....Dave Stieb was an absolute force of nature, One of the best pitchers of the 80s nobody knows.

Quarnoz

2y↑5

I'm a Jays fan who is too young to have seen Stieb pitch in his prime, having been born in their 1985 AL East champion season. I love seeing spotlight pieces like this that give the rest of the world those good feelings that those '80s Blue Jays fans in Canada must have felt. Never mind the lack of Cys, wasn't he only on the HOF ballot for one year? Criminal!

G_P_Gon

2y↑1

How is this team so good, all the time. Secret Base should be on every streaming site, winning all the awards

Baseball Historian

2y↑118

There aren’t many constants throughout baseball history, but one thing you can always count on is the writers’ near-superhuman ability to somehow screw up the awards voting on an almost yearly basis.

George Nelson

2y↑4

FACTS!!!

jason m.

The sports writer that sent the one vote against Derek Jeter to the HOF needs his credentials stripped. You’re exactly right. Out of the major sports it’s the baseball writers that never fail to perplex every baseball fan out there.

Teen LaQueefa

Love your channel

ArmadilloLover99

2y↑1

@jason m. If you’re stripping that guy of a vote then you also have to strip everyone who didn’t vote for Griffey, Bonds, Seaver, Ripken, Aaron, Gwynn, Randy, Chipper, Maddux, Bench, Carlton, Henderson, etc. because they’re all better players than Jeter and got fewer votes

Missouri Skinwalker

32w

You realize you're enjoying a sports writers video? Cut em some slack. Everyone's got their own opinions and expectations.

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Brennan Barnes

2y↑3

This was fantastic, entertaining, in-depth and well produced. 80's stars deserve more love. Can't wait for part 2!

CHRISTOPHER OLIVER

1y↑2

Jon Smith

2y↑17

I've never heard of Dave Stieb and now I'm fully intrigued with Dave Stieb. I'm avoiding looking anything up about him throughout this series to maintain surprise of what comes next.

Kermit Frog

2y↑1

he was my fave player growing up and i too want to remain surprised at what comes next.

thegoldenyear

The next half-decade’s the payoff to the immense 1981-85 buildup fashioned by the guys here. It’s a true funhouse mirror and rollercoaster ride rolled into one, my good man, and the insane apex will appear as the doc reaches late ‘88. It’ll be worth the wait, it’ll be worth the ride. Cheers.

Joshua Patrick

2y↑2

there is a consciousness out there directing and observing us, baseball is it’s favorite game, and it often intervenes directly to give us poetry like the home run that opened and closed this series.

Larry Singer

2y↑7

Dave Stieb was actually one of my favorite pitchers when I was a kid.

Noah Rocca

2y↑63

This is the first of these dorktown series that I am going into with pretty much zero knowledge beyond the basics. I’m excited to learn more about a pitcher I already recognize as underrated.

Justin

Yessssss! A Jays doc (pun obv) from this esteemed YouTube channel. Dave Stieb is the most underrated and underappreciated pitcher of the 80s and Roy Halladay, the best pitcher of the 2000s. You guys are shining a light on true historical talent and breaking through the noise. Thanks guys! <3

RRaquello

2y↑12

I watched the game when Stieb almost pitched that perfect game vs. the Yankees. I turned on the TV and was switching around just to find something to watch and turned on the Yankee game, not expecting to stick with it long, but watching Stieb pitch that day, by the second inning I said to myself, "This guy's gonna pitch a perfect game." Not a no-hitter. I said, "Perfect game." I had never seen a pitcher's pitches look like that. They were just buzzing. It didn't look like anyone could touch him. Of course I stuck with it to the end. I had seen a couple of no hitters, but never a perfect game. We all know how it ended, but it was the most dominating performance I've ever seen by a pitcher, and I had seen Tom Seaver's 19 strike out, 10 straight strike out game vs. San Diego (and Seaver's near perfect game vs. the Cubs too). But Stieb that day vs. the Yankees was better.

Storm Cat

Every single time a Jon Bois video comes out it’s like Christmas morning. Can’t wait to watch this whole series

Roy Tofilovski

Thank you for making this series on Stieb. In the 80s this man was an absolute God here in Toronto. Had he played his prime in the US he would have EASILY made it into the HOF.

fgleaner

2y↑1

We are HUGE Blue Jays fans in this household. From my father, handed it down to me (born in 76) now handed it to my 3 children. We are so grateful and immensely happy that you put the spotlight on one of our greatest pitchers in franchise history!! WE have learned so much on what was happening behind the headlines. Thank you so much!

PKHT Jim

2y↑6

I'm not even a baseball fan, but I love the element of humanity that exists with these stories in Dorktown. Getting into Dave's head like this is so dang fascinating, that I can't wait for his no-hitter to arrive.

Ryan Royal

2y↑1

Maybe it's just me, but there is so much coming at us that can really wear us down and F up our heads. Here I am watching this and thinking how LUCKY we are to be able to watch something this well done and fricking interesting for free Thank you from the bottom of my soul

Patrick McCormick

2y↑3

I watched him pitch. Big guy, great sinker, tons of movement on all his pitches. Great pitcher in an era of Great pitchers.

paysonfox88

It's the reason that people said that Roy Halladay was literally the second coming of Dave. The same exact kind of pitcher.... Lots of innings, lots of complete games, respectable earned run average, staff Ace, enough starts to earn wins no matter the run support.

However, by 2003 Toronto had won a couple of world series and was not totally disrespected anymore. Dave took the hits so that Roy could get the reward. Roy halladays cy Young voting results are the minimum of what Dave should have had in the '80s.

twistymcphisty

2y↑4

Criminally underrated career he deserved WAY more recognition

Jaziem

2y↑2

I can't wait to watch the other videos in this series. There's a reason why Dave Stieb is featured on the Level of Excellence at the Roger's Centre.

C Mac

Man Dave Stieb had one of the best sliders of all time. Insane how many one-hitters he tossed in his career, awesome video, keep up the terrific work!

BananaCat310

2y↑23

dorktown is unparalleled, there’s nothing quite like it

Danny Dolan

2y↑1

Whenever I sit down to watch a video by Jon, I feel this amazing sense of being in good hands. There are very few storytellers that give me the same feeling.

Emerald Aly

I regret missing these when they came out (though looking at the date for this one, I was in the hospital at the time). I already know much of Dave Stieb's story but I'm sure I'll learn more and just having the story told by two masters will be a joy all the same 😍

Warp Drive Fueled by Insomnia

2y↑6

3:38 This has got to be the first half of one of the absolute sweetest book-ends I've ever seen/heard in sports writing.

Matt McCarthy

My 2nd favourite player as a kid (the immortal Kelly Gruber claims top spot because we both played 3B). Dave is probably the most criminally underrated player of my lifetime. I can't wait for the rest of this gem.

Shaney McBaby

2y↑18

Dave Stieb is so underrated, in my opinion the best pitcher of the 80's that never truly got his due. The fact that he isn't in the HOF is beyond crazy.

Il Exile lI

2y↑9

He had a great first 12 seasons, definitely hall of fame worthy. Sadly, he did next to nothing after age 32, so his counting numbers are well below HoF standards. He is in a similar spot to a guy like Sandy Koufax in that respect. Stieb was actually good for longer than Koufax, but Koufax's stretch of 5 years of utter dominance that included 3 Cy Youngs is really the reason Koufax is in. Stieb was great for a longer period, but he never reached those same heights of dominance.

the homie nicked

2y↑7

@Il Exile lI As a huge Blue Jays and Dave Stieb fan this is a fair analysis. As you said, he was not as good as Koufax at his best, but was elite for far longer.

I'm a bit more of a "big hall" guy than most on the basis that it is already kind of a "big hall" with some members falling far below the standards of the greatest players ever. Hard to make the argument that enshrinement should be reserved only for guys who were truly head-and-shoulders above the rest when there are plenty of guys in there to whom that description doesn't apply. Either those more fringe guys (by Hall of Fame standards) should be removed or someone like Stieb should be a shoe-in. He was similar to Whitey Ford in terms of his on-field impact and nobody debates that Ford was a Hall of Famer.

That said, I understand why people who are true "small hall" guys (for some reason) would think he doesn't belong.

jasonmoyer

2y↑7

It's insane Jack Morris is in there when neither his peak nor his overall career were anywhere near Stieb's.

Kermit Frog

beyond.

Steven Deckert

2y↑1

@jasonmoyer Morris is in because of his postseason heroics. Bill Mazeroski got in because he hit a walk off HR in the world series. Agree that Stieb's resume is better than Morris'.

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Robert Logemann

So mad I started watching this series cuz I have to wait for more content. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW YOU GUYS PULL A STORY TOGETHER! I really enjoyed the Mariners series and Atlanta Falcons. Can't wait for more Stieb!

Pyrospriter042

2y↑1

Part of what has always been in my opinion one of Jon and Alex's biggest strengths in all their breakdowns is just that the writing is so phenomenally done. Can't tell a good sports story without good writing and every time they hit the mark. Absolutely great analogy to set the stage for the journey we're all about to take. "Imagine if these were trees we were looking at. What if you dug up the tallest tree in the woods and discovered the roots were only a foot deep? It just doesn't make any sense. Unless, you choose to believe you were the master of the universe."

Sleth

2y↑21

"He has hit just one home run in 890 career at bats. That's about one in 890."

I took me 3 seconds to realize what you said.

nout

these guys are so good with numbers. i would have never found out what 1 home run in 890 at bats is equal to.

Mike Lliteras

2y↑1

When I pitched in over 30 mens baseball, I tried to pitch like Stieb. I never through a straight ball. My first and only year, I gave up 1 run in 5 complete games. I had no idea where the ball was going but I imagine he did. Location and movement are so much more important than just speed. Steib was fun too watch. His pitches were fun too watch.

Pachary Zorter

2y↑14

I thought I was a pretty knowledgable guy when it came to sports trivia, but that Danny Ainge factoid had me scouring his Wikipedia page in disbelief, and the way you just so casually mentioned it made me laugh for a good five minutes.

Baseball AF

2y↑18

I can't wait to see the story of one of my favorite and under-appreciated pitchers in all of baseball

ray ray Marz

2y↑2

I always knew this dude was special when i was watching that nasty hook move around Yankees hitters in the 80's. Ty for this deep dive, SB

garrett cranmer

I hope they never stop making these series they are so cool and people who don’t watch sports can learn so much. Please never stop

Christopher Bowen

2y↑16

Dave Stieb was one of those players that fans of his era appreciated but virtually no one else cares about. He's always been a player I appreciated.

I did not in any way think I would be watching a four part series on his career with each part probably taking an hour-ish, but this is going to be a hoot.

Ralf S

2y↑1

This is sooo brilliant! They could present yesterdays laundry list like this, and have me glued to the screen. But they don't! Instead, we get killer story lines, great analytics and this canvas method, which is above and beyond great. Can't wait for 2/4!

Pocalem Games

2y↑4

So glad to see you guys giving the Jays and Stieb attention with this series. Looking forward to the rest of it.

The Dirty Hop

2y↑40

Currently watching through the Falcons series with my friend (my 3rd time, his 1st time), can't wait to start this on my own. Any day with a new edition to the DCU from Jon, Alex, and the crew is a great day for sports!

Fox D

2y↑2

Fries The breakdown of the playoff game against the Eagles, with Francis Monkman's "Contrapunkt" as the background track, is the greatest thing Jon and Alex have ever done.

I mean, Game 5 of Mariners-Yankees was great, but they got a lot of help from the legendary Dave Niehaus in the broadcast booth. Alex had to carry that football call by himself.

Paul St. Marie

2y↑1

I thing you guys are somehow underselling how impressive Dave’s rise to starting pitcher was. This is truly unbelievable

This channel does not exist.

Dave Steib is one of the guys whose career I had in cards, a name that I haven't forgotten, and probably a name I will never forget

Dave W

2y↑3

That was a wonderful video. I am really looking forward to part two. Stieb was totally a celebrity and hero in Toronto. I remember meeting him during a trip to visit kids at the Hospital for Sick Children in the early 80s. Such a great person to the community.
I know how this all ends, with the ups and downs, but I am really still looking forward to it.

Jakob

2y↑1

As someone who grew up around Southern Illinois University, I’m so ready to get invested in this. I’ve heard the name so much growing up but never dove into Stieb’s story. Turns out it is now time to do so.

Dan Frisco

2y↑2

I wish I had you guys as math teachers when I was in school. I would have been so much more invested in learning about numbers, data points with diagrams and graph charts.

Delsmarto

2y↑44

When you hear those opening notes of "Dossier", you know something is about to go down.

Great work guys, can't wait for next episode!

Henry Dillon

2y↑2

Part 2 comes out the 15th

Alex Dehmer

2y↑1

Love that song. Hoping for more panning over data uses for it in this series

canadave87

2y↑5

You know you watch Dorktown videos too often when you start to recognize all the songs.

TheHouseOfSparrows

2y↑6

Similarly, I go straight to crying when the opening sax notes sound on "Serengeti," and wait to see if I'm exultant or devastated.

David McClelland

2y↑3

@TheHouseOfSparrows "Down to Business" always gives me chills, personally.

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SPTO

As a HUGE Jays fan, Dave Stieb is one of the heroes of the '80s iteration of the franchise. I'll be watching this series and once it's complete i'll share it on social media. I place Stieb as 1A with Roy Halladay as the greatest SP to ever pitch for this team when you factor in excellence, impact and mystique.

Bo Pearson

I would love one of these on Kurt Warner. I know it’s a well told story, and they literally made a movie about it, but it’s a story that only gets more amazing the deeper you dig into it.

Roaring Thunder

2y↑4

i'm so happy you guys put out a video about the blue jays. as a jays fan, it's rare to see our team get this much attention

Chris McFarland

Alex and Jon have such a way of storytelling that they could make me care (and watch a multi-part series) about the second string Batboy for the Greensboro Grasshoppers

Cliffwalker rockhounding

2y↑2

You do such excellent work. Thorough and polished, even the ambience is spot on. I felt like I went back to those times and I don't really give a damn about Dave Stieb, or maybe, now I do.

Ya Muthaaa

You guys do such amazing work. You deserve so much more mainstream attention. Love the channel

Peter Kyte

I have been a Blue Jay fan since they joined the AL. Attended their first 2 years opening games. Also have attended a game pitched by Stieb. The stats you have provided are impressive & provide a great overview of his talent. Had he played for a team in the U.S. he would have gotten more recognition. Thanks for your efforts & your recognition of the “Doc” at the opening. Am curious as to why you selected Stieb for this series.

Michael on Youtube

2y↑4

As a Canadian, I have been wanting to see you guys do one of these on a Canadian team for a while now, honestly I didn't expect you guys to look at one so soon, especially since you guys don't really touch on hockey, so that only really leaves like the Blue Jays and the Raptors as potential teams to look into, but so far this episode been great. Also thanks for touching on the fans part, we really only have like one team in MLB and the NBA for a whole country's worth of people so we are incredibly grateful and love them very much. I honestly think Canadians would be very receptive to further expansion in Canada, like teams in Vancouver and Montreal, they are large cities and people love the sports.

OwlRTA

2y↑1

An Expos video could totally end up happening as well

Mike B.

2y↑2

He's the best pitcher I have ever seen live. Incredible fire inside him.

The_Chewmiester

2y↑1

Dave Stieb fits Dorktown perfectly…love that this player is getting covered.

Stieb is one of the best pitchers of the 80s…he never got enough credit for that.

Jon and Alex, thank you for covering this. Looking forward to the rest of this series.

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