I respectfully disagree with slapping prop levers up just after touch down. This is too big a configuration change at too critical a phase of flight. To be at full RPM prior to 1.000' is a much safer procedure. I realize most all King Air drivers do this (I know of only a few pilots and a number of instructors that firmly agree with me. The only reason for not being at full RPM prior to touch down is cabin noise which is not really much difference and does not justify swapping any degree of safety for. If, for what ever reasons the props increase at different rates (as they do on most take offs) you may well leave the runway.

An extremely high time (military King Air 350) pilot/instructor I know calls this "fists of fury" on landing as he sees it and instructs full RPM prior to 1.000'.

I fly a 300 so props at full RPM are only 1,700 and cruise is 1.500 but I think 200 or 90 it is still a safer procedure.

All other King Air drivers can now jump in to disagree : )

As I said simply my preference and if there is a sound reason that says full RPM prior to landing creates anything negative other than a difference in cabin noise I would be interested in hearing that as well. Please don't say maintenance because that would really be a reach.

Nikolaos Peterson

Hey! You are not supposed to be speeding on the taxiways! haha! Nice work, I have an old (2006) vintage Microsoft FSX with a King Air 350. LOVE that bird, I almost exclusively fly her. Hard to stall! I have tested her out and she simply REFUSES to stall, period! I wonder if the actual bird is like that. Now, Many flaws, I can't feather the props on the sim, though despite the pedestal is genuine, Now I having issues upon starting the number two engine as it wants to spool up to full power, and pull me with the brakes fully set! Probably another bug developing in this old sim.

I can't wait to get Microsoft's NEW sim the FX 2020! I watched a vid on that I must admit the graphics and sound are SUPURB! There is so much detail that the effects are not built in any CD rom, but streamed live as one is flying. I do hope the repetition is not present on this 2020 version.
Also about 40% of the switches are not operable in this old sim nor is the cabin pressurisation system!

I would love to fly (Pilot or simply to fly in one in real life, a Pilatus PC-24! Made in Switzerland, it is Switzerland's first multi engine craft. I would also love to get on board with them in designing an all electric aircraft! (NO fossil fuel)! Israel has come out with its own e/plane, the 'Eviation Alice', three motors two on wingtips and one in the tail all pusher props. Seats 9 passengers and two crew.

Of course one day i would like to pilot a REAL Raytheon Beechcraft King Air 350!

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FloridaPilot

4y↑10

Huge inspiration! Especially during the quarantine. Love how professional and serious you take this. Every pilot should do the same no matter the aircraft.

FlyingTexas

4y↑3

FloridaPilot Thank you! Like to maintain professionalism (especially in the videos). Appreciate the comment. Glad you enjoyed the video.

Pete Mac

4y↑4

Nice job, Max! Looks like you "hired" a pretty good F.O. to help you out as well!! 😉. I'm not sure when this flight happened, but I hope you and your family are doing well during these trying times!

jeremynv89523

4y↑1

Looking at all the specs, and watching your videos, the King Air 90 does seem to be the most versatile aircraft available.

Jonthan Ulfeng

3y↑2

I flew many aircraft over the years and I find that King Airs are easier to land than a Cessna 172.

N34RT

In the King Air's I've flown, unless you want to make everyone's ears "pop" (and pop hard!), a better procedure for setting Landing Field Elevation for Pressurization is as follows: 1) Turn the "Rate" knob fully counter-clockwise (zero rate of climb/descent) 2) Very Slowly rotate the Cabin Altitude Setting in the desired direction, until the Cabin Climb/Descent VSI stabilizes at ~~300 fpm or less (by doing it this way, you're allowing the Cabin Outflow Valves to stabilize at a lower value instead of going to -1,000 or move -Down~~ before stabilizing). Once the VSI stabilizes THEN you can quickly spin the Cabin on down. Once the aircraft starts descending, then slowly adjust the rate knob for a -300 to -400 fpm Cabin Descent. This is one of the ways professional pilots insure the maximum comfort for their passengers (especially important when you have infants and small children aboard!)

Collin Graves

4y↑10

Beautifully done, my man.

Nasos Delveroudis

4y↑20

In MS flight simulator I just dive bomb at the airport and pray the wheels don't break or a tree doesn't come my way. It works, most of the time.

Sal Balakrishnan

LMAO!

COBRAC4T

3y↑1

@Captain Zeppos Check out the Beechcraft KingAir C90B "JongePionier" Ultimate Mod 9.4 for X-Plane. Frighteningly realistic simulation of this aircraft, extremely unforgiving to say the least.

Ron Patterson

@FlyingTexas ha ha - land in snow or ice 😂😂

Ron Patterson

3y↑1

@retikulum I must try that LOL

Captain Zeppos

3y↑1

@FlyingTexas Yes, I'm not saying that MSFS's way is correct. The flight sim does not properly simulate some real life things, such as propeller drag. So generally speaking having props to either 1500RPM or 1700RPM makes no difference to the sim, apart from the noise. I've now learned to reduce RPM during cruising and I believe the checklist recommendation is to push the prop lever to full forward on touchdown like you did. I'll start doing the same.

Another example would be cond low idle, as I'm reading that 99% of real life pilots leave it there after they start up engine #2 (except perhaps on very hot days), whereas in the game there are many who suggest to have it to high idle during the entire flight (can't remember the reasoning, probably related with prop drag again). I don't have the official pilot operating handbook available but FlightSafety's pilot checklist shows that low idle is perfectly fine from engine startup to landing, so again this is what's shown in your video. Good stuff! Keep this up.

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Dave O

4y↑2

Left seat in the King Air is quite a handful. You are looking more comfortable there each time we see a new video. Lots to do and things come at you very quickly. Once you master that, you can fly most anything. Are you done with the Skylane? Quite the difference between piloting those two.

retikulum

The 350i is my favorite plane in MSFS2020. This video is a good help 👍

FlyingTexas

Glad you found it useful! Thank you for watching.

Naga Viper

3y↑1

What a beautiful plane. Sad they are being discontinued.

Derek Priest

4y↑6

Fantastic landing. Well done 👍 Auckland New Zealand

FlyingTexas

4y↑3

Derek Priest Thank you, Derek! Love NZ

Ray Sotkiewicz

Right before touchdown the PIC pushes the props full forward. I had always thought that the props go full when the when the descent begins. Was this a miss on the checklist or maybe crew preference? (As Required)

giorgio caperchi

I also have this doubt. I’ve seen videos where the prop levers are full forward before touchdown. Looking at his checklist, it’s says that prop levers need to be at 100% after touchdown but the previous checklists say nothing of lever positioning. Maybe there is more than one way of doing this procedure correctly.

Nick Dillon

4y↑1

Ever felt like getting more time by flying between KSGR & KAXH?

Tri Pacer

4y↑2

Great job landing! Really nice......

Greg Farbo

4y↑4

hawkdsl

4y↑1

Agree 100% with full prop before landing. That's allot of jerking around on touch down, which translates into your yoke hand... It's just nutz. Your gonna do full props on cross wind, on short field, and slick/minimums conditions anyway... So why not make the mussel memory's job easier, and limit it to one kind of prop procedure. Just my two cents.

Talal S

4y↑1

@FlyingTexas I always land with full prop on my msfx : )

Kisssys

4y↑1

I jumped when he slammed the props forward. I can remember early series Twin Otters and PT6 Turbine Beavers that might give you forward thrust instead of reverse. I saw a 100 Series Twin Otter leave the runway at almost 90 degrees and a Turbine Beaver eat up a hanger door because the props were not full forward and they expected reverse thrust. Interlocks were installed after a few accidents. I always pushed the props forward on a King Air 200 at 1000 feet.

FlyingTexas

4y↑1

Greg, Thanks for taking the time to watch and provide your approach. I think you make a good point. I follow the POH for normal landing procedures but be there any variance or abnormality to the landing, I would certainly advance the props before 1000'. Here is a Tom Clements article which gives more perspective to both sides of the argument: http://www.kingairmagazine.com/article/ask-the-expert-props-forward-on-landing Safe flying!

Sai Krishna

4y↑1

Now I know how to land a king air ,thanks!!

alaninnh

4y↑11

Nicely done on both, the landing and this video.

Rob M

Agreed. Nicely done. Now, if we can replicate a Cuba landing. Oh, no we can't. Patience.

FlyingTexas

4y↑2

Thank you, alaninnh!

Ely Powell

This King Air is one of the nicest looking airplanes out there.

David Rendon

4y↑1

Great landing !

Nikolaos Peterson

NaijaPilotX Max

4y↑3

You nailed it bro

Sean Frederick

4y↑1

Miss our Twin Commanche with a 3 axis autopilot. Point and go.

Nate B. The Aviator

Awesome inspiration man.

FlyingTexas

I appreciate that!

Bernard Anderson

It's great to see you as PIC in the C90

Ely Powell

Operating a vehicle that moves in all three axis is more complex that we think. I told my son I wouldn't fly a plane unless it had reliable instruments that would allow me to land the plane in complete darkness. Flying VFR only can get you killed in a half second and I don't see why all planes don't have the instruments that allow landing with no visuals.

seoceancrosser

4y↑10

What’s the school of thought on moving the props forward after landing. I see that’s what the checklist calls for, but just don’t understand why. That’s a pretty airplane and panel!

J. Griff Griffin

3y↑1

All my career (from instructor to freight to major airline), I was taught to finish the before landing checklist (including the props forward), at the final approach fix. That means there is nothing left to think about in the event of a go-around. How they did it isn't wrong, but the landing and rollout should not be a time for cleaning up. We always rolled clear on the turn off before cleaning up.

Peter The Pilot

It’s a nice touch on the KingAir, going fully fine on final approach doesn’t help touchdown even on a short runway.
Also to save the props easy on the reverse you don’t need anything but a gentle touch, beta will do

Thefireman 285

4y↑4

@master1387 The props have the ability to "twist." In "thrust" operation the blades change how much the "bite" the air. In Beta mode the blades twist the other direction forcing the thrust forward...pushing air forward acts as a brake and dramatically slows the plane down. For the propellers to twist into beta mode, they first need to be in the "full forward position." ie flatter pitch or high RPM first. Think of the "full forward position" as the dividing line between choosing beta (reverse thrust) or normal thrust (propulsion.) If beta mode were selected before the props were in flat pitch(full forward), the props would still be producing normal thrust until they moved through the flat pitch configuration into beta. It is purely a mechanical issue. Think of it as an automatic transmission, you need to go into nuetral before shifting from drive to reverse.

master1387

Thefireman 285 I’m still a little confused about how the props affect going into the beta range. What do you mean by allow?

Thefireman 285

4y↑1

It is necessary to allow the props to go into reverse.

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Bernard Anderson

4y↑3

I've followed you on many flights in the rightseat

Lman Drums

i LOVE that cockpit setup with the g600s and the 2 GTN750s.

FlyingTexas

It's a blast to fly!

Johann van Schalkwyk

Why do you push the prop leavers full only before landing and not lets say 5nm out?

YourMKArcadeSource

What type of Garmin package is that? I've installed G1000, G3000, and G5000s, and more than my share of G1000s in the King Air and as an Avionics installer, but I can't say I've ever seen that setup before. Not with the divider in the displays like that. No GMAs ether? And the SAM unit is on the left instead of the center. Never seen anything like this. Just curious.

YourMKArcadeSource

Yes, that looks like it. In my 20 years of Avionics, I’ve never seen or heard of a G500 package. Interesting.

Nelson Perez

G500 maybe?

sha6mm

Nice first landing.

maxvideodrome

3y↑2

Sweet landing - I want a King Air now !

Eagl3

good landing!

FlyingTexas

Thank you! Happy Holidays

Thomas Seitz

Landing speed looked a little too fast.

John Tubbs

Nice flight Maxwell

SUBATOMIC RAY

4y↑2

Prop and condition are set at min then prop full forward after Landing and reverse is engaged? Where can i read more about this?

RastaPilot

@FlyingTexas I noticed in XPlane 11 that before touchdown, with the props full forward, the plane sinks awfully fast nose first, even with full back pressure, resulting in smashing all 3 gears at 400fpm, just after cutting the power... Are those the issues you are talking about??

FlyingTexas

There has been a lot of discussion about this. Not saying the way we do it is absolutely the best but there were a few crashed because of people going props full forward in the King Air on final. Changing the flight configuration before landing can lead to issues.

Peter The Pilot

Yes it’s a great idea, years ago everyone went fully fine, with notable exceptions me, on final with often bad results.
Final is the correct term by the way!

crfdln

You'll wonder how you did this when you have 10,000 hrs and several thousand landings.

Frederick Merle

Right rudder with a wind from the right?

michael stern

4y↑4

Good job. Watching from Idaho.

FlyingTexas

4y↑1

Thank you, Michael!

Elusive Snow Leopard

Like a boss!!

Bernard Anderson

Tha panel looks great

derick blackwell

4y↑23

Doug white could've used this video a couple years ago

derick blackwell

@Youric Hunt you dont have to get upset. Im not saying he wouldn't have needed any atc assistance but he would of been familiar with the aircraft a little more than he was. He was a pilot before having to fly this plane

derick blackwell

@Youric Hunt well he wouldn't of needed the help from atc if he watched it

Bernard Anderson

4y↑5

You have flown alongside in the rightseat and you're ready and it's great and I'll fly with you anytime

Frank Gallagher

4y↑2

why not just read the checlist once? to keep going back and forth , referring to the checklist during descent for every item is not the way. arm the auto feather and set the cabin altitude, cabin signs on and the approach briefing should already be done. the right hand seat reports runway in sight without even checking with the pilot flying, this is leading the other. and the props after landing well theres enough been said over that.

J. Griff Griffin

I agree with Frank. Do it the same way all the time eff the video and fly the plane. If it happens too fast, for video purposes, it means the viewer needs to come up to speed not change the pilot work flow. That's airline mentality and it works.

FlyingTexas

Frank Gallagher We reiterates checklist items for the purpose of this video. The video is much shorter than the actual flight so we cut parts including discussing the field in sight. As for the props, you’re more than welcome to deviate from the published checklist.

stealhty1

Practice,practice ,,nice job

canopeaz

4y↑1

GreAt video and walk thru

Sheff A

great video, but how filthy are all those buttons?!

jamani1086

4y↑4

nice job max, you getting comfy in the left seat

SeaMonkey137

4y↑1

Training flight with passengers? Squadron SO won't be happy.

William Turner

The Flight may be TRAINING but by no means UNUSUAL. NO stalls, NO steep turns, NO single engine. Nothing wrong with paxs on this flight.

James Holbert

Your comment is in good humor but of course every flight is a training flight, whether one is a new FO or an experienced Captain; when it is the FO's leg to fly, he/she will fly whether or not Pax are aboard (unless the operator has some different rule), but the Captain is still in charge, and will always correct when necessary and comment to develop the FO's skill and knowledge. It should go without saying, but Captains are certainly not immune from learning and--being human--do forget or overlook things; one of the main functions of the FO is to monitor for these lapses and bring them to the Captain's attention; again, training--learning.

Jacob Adkins

Is that a G1000????

FlyingTexas

No. It's 2 G600s and 2 GTN750s

Bernard Anderson

4y↑2

Congratulations

A TP

If you are not going to follow the flight director , turn it off, it just adds confusion

vecchiotom1

Is this a King Air C909?

FlyingTexas

C90B

Joshua Armenta

Max can get it. Cutie!

Ed Thompson

4y↑3

Nice Max!

FlyingTexas

4y↑1

Thanks, Ed! Hope you're staying safe.

REALNEWZ

That much coaching would drive me crazy.....if your checked out in the left seat..keep your mouth shut.

terry bigler

4y↑1

no way i'd get into one of those things, fly if you want to ,but for me it's the ground

andrew

Its safer to fly than drive

Brian King

T 86 45 2020

REALNEWZ

3y↑1

To much talking in the right seat.....would drive me Insane.

FlyingTexas

He was helping me through the landing. I find the commentary to be useful but everyone is different. Happy Holidays!

Boing Boing

Yep! I couldn’t work out who was flying the plane, the guy in the left seat or the guy in the right seat doing all the talking.

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