One of the group’s trademarks was the experimentation with Dutch lyrics, which resulted the (back then) four piece in being the first ever crew in The Netherlands to release a complete demo in their native language. This turned out to be the start of a new genre they still call ‘Nederhop’ to this day, a term consisting of the words “Nederlandse” (Dutch) and “Hip-Hop”.
The start of Osdorp Posse can be tracked back as far as 1986, when Def P (real name Pascal Griffioen) made his debut on the Dutch hip-hop scene with the group Funky Fresh Force, consisting of him and DJ Dov, who would later become a famous House DJ under the pseudonym DJ The Prophet.
In 1988 Griffioen started experimenting with Dutch lyrics as a joke (translating American rap lyrics from groups such as N.W.A.), and a creative exercise (writing a couple of ‘real’ songs). His nephew Marco (later on taking on the nickname IJsblock – a literal translation of N.W.A.’s infamous Ice Cube) joined in the musical tomfoolery, as they recorded raps on instrumental tracks from their record collection, using nothing but a tape deck and a microphone.
It wasn’t until Marco and Pascal met Robin (now known as Seda) and Arthur (King) that they got down to writing real material that they found suitable for recording. Even though their musical playground that they had by then labelled Osdorp Posse (named after the Amsterdam neighbourhood Osdorp, where they all lived) consisted of a large group of friends with a continuously changing line-up, the core of the Posse was the four guys, and would remain so until twelve years later. With a lot of the co-rappers leaving the group with no interest in taking Osdorp Posse to a next level, the group recorded an infamous demo as a fourpiece. The nameless cassette – which quickly became known as ‘De Rode Demo’ (The Red Demo) – was handed out to friends, and travelled the country, taking the underground alternative music scene by storm through the tape trading circuit.
One of the many people who got hands on De Rode Demo was Saskia Sleger, the owner of the underground dancelabel DJAX. Recognizing the originality as well as the obvious talent, Sleger decided to contact the group and offer them a contract. Hardly believing what just happened to them, the young rappers immediately signed with DJAX, without reading the fine print. Def P later described this move in the band’s biography ‘Tien Jaar OP’ as impulsive and a bit naïve, but it turned out to be a good thing: the start of legendary career.
Now having to actually release cds instead of fooling around with a tapedeck, Pascal, Marco, Robin and Arthur franticly started writing out the material that they had come with before heading to a local studio in 1992, recording the first ever ‘Nederhop’ cd: the poorly produced yet explosive, hardcore and edgy twenty three song classic ‘Osdorp Stijl’ (Osdorp Style).
With an official release in stores, the group started on a journey that moved their live-shows away from the squat- and fret houses, onto the ‘ real’ alternative music scene. The album was an instant underground classic, which not only spawned an entire generation of Dutch Hip-hop acts at the time, but also quickly finding a following within a diverse group of alternative music fans such as punkers, metalheads, rockers and many alike.
The following two releases were plagued by the same production problems as their infamous debut, but through their sheer determination, explosive live shows and hardcore, relentless lyrical attitude became underground hits nevertheless. It wasn’t until they were asked to play the warm-up show at the biggest festival in the Netherlands, Pinkpop, that they got recognition from a larger audience. Their fourth cd entitled ‘Afslag Osdorp’ (Osdorp Exit), was released soon after the legendary festival appearance, and was the groups largest commercial success to that date. Riding the wave of word-to-mouth advertising following Pinkpop and their years on end of touring and self promoting (being ignored by mainstream media and critics), Afslag Osdorp sold thousands of copies; an achievement that was until then unthinkable for a Dutch rap act.
Later that year, with their popularity growing to a new height, Osdorp Posse played one of the most legendary and afterwards most talked about performances on the Dutch alternative music scene at the Lowlands Festival. Something that was euphemistically called a programming mistake, the group was set to play the smallest tent (Charlie) in the afternoon. Even though the Amsterdam crew warned the festival organisation about the possible consequences, the foursome’s advice to move their show to a bigger tent fell was ignored, resulting in half the festival attendees trying to fit in the small, claustrophobic space in anticipation of what was then one of the biggest things in Dutch music: Osdorp Posse. After the first couple of notes were played, the frantic crowd started to mosh, pogo and crowdsurf with such an enthusiasm that they nearly destroyed the entire tent. Def P later explained he had no idea how dangerous the situation was, that eventually led to an early ending of the gig when the crowd rushed to the stage, crushing the structure. No one got seriously hurt, yet everyone had witnessed and taken part in a legendary festival moment, talked about to this day.
In 1996 the group received the prestigious ‘ Pop Prijs’ (Pop Prize), as a recognition of their pioneering role in the Dutch hip-hop scene. That year also marked another legendary festival performance; the Dynamo Open Air festival – at that time the most important Heavy Metal event in the world – playing as the first and only hip-hop crew ever in front of more then a 100.000 longhaired metalheads, a large portion of whom were stoned Germans (enjoying the music all the same). The following year, ‘ Osdorp’ returned to Pinkpop, this time playing not once but twice: first on the small stage, returning on the final day at the main stage in front of 60.000 people.
After the commercial and artistic successes of albums such as ‘Briljant, Hard en Geslepen’ (Brilliant, Hard and Polished) – recorded with death metal band Nembrionic, and the chart success ‘Geendagsvlieg’ (literally: No day fly, as a play on words to the term ‘one day fly’, emphasizing their timelessness) the Posse left their long time label Djax to start up their own label called RAMP Records (consisting of the first letters in their names: Robin, Arthur, Marco, Pascal). In 2000, the group’s first release on their own turf called ‘ Kernramp’ (Nuclear Disaster) became their biggest commercial success, and remains so to this day. For the first time in their 12 year long career, Osdorp Posse even landed on the Dutch TOP 40 charts with their single ‘ Origineel Amsterdams’, which eventually ploughed into the top 10.
The release of their eighth album also marked the first change in line-up the group had seen since the early demo days: DJ ‘Deegmeester’ Daan – who already joined the band on stage for quite a while – became the fifth member of Osdorp Posse. That year they returned to Lowlands Festival as a five-piece, this time on a bigger stage. Once again controversy was part of the group’s performance, with Def P openly protesting against the nationwide crowd surf ban (as a result to the Roskilde tragedy earlier that year).
Around that time the music industry started crashing down. With programmes such as Napster and Kazaa providing fans with free – yet illegal – music, Osdorp Posse’s new label had a hard time lifting off. Every release after ‘ Kernramp’, such as ‘ Tegenstrijd” (meaning both Counter Battle, and Contradiction in Dutch) and Hollandse Hardcore Hip-Hop Helden all saw decreasing sales figures. At the same time, the genre the group created – Nederhop – had become a mainstream phenomena with acts such as Extince, Def Rhymz, and new school artists and groups like Raymster and Opgezwolle taking over the Dutch hiphop scene. Osdorp Posse, never being a favourite of the mainstream media – could only witness their own decline.
Around 2004, the group had plummeted back into the underground scene, once again playing the smaller venues. The groups hardcore following had eye for their later releases with bands such as Laberinto and Blind Justice, but stayed true to their heroes all the same.
Near the end of 2008, the group has announced to call it quits. After a release party of their final effort entitled ‘2 Decennia’ (Two Decades), Osdorp Posse embarked on a farewell tour, taking them to all the places they played, rocked the mike at, and witnessed their fanatic following go crazy to their hardcore style of performing.
The group’s swansong took place on their own turf, in the Amsterdam club De Melkweg in September of 2009, leaving a legacy that can not be ignored or forgotten: the invention and perfection of Nederhop.
Prostitutie
Osdorp Posse Lyrics
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Nadat het daglicht is overleden
en de drank al scheutig naar binnen is gegeleden,
dan worden weer massaal de oude wallen betreden
en begint de lange nacht voor de lichte zeden.
Prostituees, of voor sommige boeren,
beter bekend onder de titel van hoeren.
Ze lopen drie keer langs om naar binnen te loeren,
Ze schreeuwen en ze lachen en ze doet wat uit,
ze kijken op haar neer en ze schelden haar uit.
Geile hoer, del, snol, teef en gat,
zelf hebben ze nog nooit een echte vrouw gehad.
Ze roepen allemaal dat neuken voor de poen
het allerlaagste is wat de vrouw maar kan doen.
Maar voor je nou gaat roepen van: "Openbare kut!"
denk dan toch eens een keer aan het maatschappelijke nut.
Dankzij hoeren blijven mannen langer aan de band,
dankzij hoeren worden minder vrouwen aangerand.
Dankzij hoeren zitten mannen nooit om sex verlegen
en kan zelfs opa nog een keer z'n zakkie legen.
Dus behandel hoeren toch een keer correct,
want ze doen nuttig werk en verdienen respect.
Ik heb het nou natuurlijk niet weer over bitchen,
want die zou ik nog het liefste in een bodybag ritsen.
Wat is het verschil tussen een bitch en een hoer?
Een hoer die is oprecht en een bitch ligt op de loer.
Hoeren, ik zal er zelf niet naar binnengaan,
maar toch is het noodzakelijk dat zij bestaan.
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yah,
die prostitutie heeft de P-Funk P.
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yah,
fok P-Funk, punk, de stijl is O.P.
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yah,
die prostitutie heeft de P-Funk P.
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yah.
Drop a oldschool beat!
Krijg nou geen eenzijdig beeld van mij,
want niet met alle hoeren ben ik even blij.
Want sommige hoeren doen het voor de heroine
en doen aan echt alles om hun poen te verdienen.
Alles wat gevaarlijk is doen ze gewoon,
zelfs in hun reet en zonder een condoom.
En ze spelen niet alleen met hun eigen leven,
want via-via kunnen ze ook jou AIDS geven.
Hoe hoger de nood wordt, hoe meer de prijs daalt,
zelfs voor een tientje wordt ie uit je broek gehaald.
Dus mannen die op straat lopen met een stijve,
loop toch met een grote boog om deze vieze wijven.
Want ze zijn ziek en hebben wonden en wratten,
en verspreiden gore ziektes als neukende ratten.
Nog iets wat ze eigenlijk moeten verhinderen,
sommige hoertjes zijn gewoon nog kinderen.
Van een jaar of 16, en de heren
kan het natuurlijk weer geen neuk interesseren.
Vieze geile mannetjes, wees eens slim,
en douw je lul niet zomaar overal in.
Denk eerst eens na voor je naar binnen toe gaat,
of je er soms niet iets of iemand mee schaadt.
Een hoerenloper is in principe niet slecht,
zolang ie het maar doet met het nodige respect.
Dus...
Lang leve de echte hoer, schop die heroine-junk terug naar d'r moer. Yeah
Lang leve de echte hoer, schop die heroine-junk terug naar d'r moer. Check-it
Lang leve de echte hoer, schop die heroine-junk terug naar d'r moer.
Lang leve de echte hoer, schop die heroine-junk terug naar d'r... MOER.
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The lyrics of Osdorp Posse's "Prostitutie" shed light on the oldest profession in the world, which is prostitution. The song explores the misconceptions and stigmas surrounding prostitution and attempts to draw attention towards the positive aspects of the profession. The song begins by stating that prostitution is the most undervalued job in the world. It then goes on to describe the scene of prostitutes walking around the streets, seeking clients, and how people shun them with derogatory names such as hoer, del, snol, teef, and gat.
However, the song also highlights the benefits of prostitution. It argues that prostitution prevents men from committing sexual assault or harassing women and that these women provide a vital service to society by taking care of men's sexual needs. The song goes on to caution against the dangers of STDs and drug addiction, which are frequent occurrences in the prostitution industry. Overall, the song calls for respect towards prostitutes and appreciation for their contribution to society.
Line by Line Meaning
Het oudste beroep ter wereld is tevens het meest ondergewaardeerd.
Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, yet it is still regarded as an undervalued profession.
Nadat het daglicht is overleden
en de drank al scheutig naar binnen is gegeleden,
dan worden weer massaal de oude wallen betreden
en begint de lange nacht voor de lichte zeden.
After the sun sets and alcohol is consumed, people start flocking to the red-light district, where the night of debauchery begins.
Prostituees, of voor sommige boeren,
beter bekend onder de titel van hoeren.
Ze lopen drie keer langs om naar binnen te loeren,
een knipoogje (en ze/je hersens) zijn al over hun toeren.
Prostitutes - or as some people call them, whores - walk back and forth along the street to attract customers. A simple wink from them is enough to make some people's minds spin.
Ze schreeuwen en ze lachen en ze doet wat uit,
ze kijken op haar neer en ze schelden haar uit.
Geile hoer, del, snol, teef en gat,
zelf hebben ze nog nooit een echte vrouw gehad.
People who visit prostitutes often treat them with disrespect, belittling them and calling them names. Ironically, these same people have never had a healthy relationship with a real woman.
Ze roepen allemaal dat neuken voor de poen
het allerlaagste is wat de vrouw maar kan doen.
Maar voor je nou gaat roepen van: "Openbare kut!"
denk dan toch eens een keer aan het maatschappelijke nut.
People who look down on prostitutes as though they have the lowest occupation, should realize the societal benefits they provide.
Dankzij hoeren blijven mannen langer aan de band,
dankzij hoeren worden minder vrouwen aangerand.
Dankzij hoeren zitten mannen nooit om sex verlegen
en kan zelfs opa nog een keer z'n zakkie legen.
Prostitutes can help soothe men's sexual urges, reducing sexual violence against women. Even older men can still satisfy their sexual needs thanks to prostitution.
Dus behandel hoeren toch een keer correct,
want ze doen nuttig werk en verdienen respect.
Ik heb het nou natuurlijk niet weer over bitchen,
want die zou ik nog het liefste in een bodybag ritsen.
Prostitutes deserve respect and should be treated accordingly because they do useful work. However, this doesn't apply to those who voluntarily engage in or promote exploitation and mistreatment of prostitutes.
Wat is het verschil tussen een bitch en een hoer?
Een hoer die is oprecht en een bitch ligt op de loer.
There's a difference between a prostitute and a mean, disrespectful person. A prostitute is genuine in what they're offering, while a bitch is just looking to take advantage of others.
Krijg nou geen eenzijdig beeld van mij,
want niet met alle hoeren ben ik even blij.
Want sommige hoeren doen het voor de heroine
en doen aan echt alles om hun poen te verdienen.
Not all prostitutes offer a positive contribution to society, as some use drugs and engage in risky behavior to earn money.
Hoe hoger de nood wordt, hoe meer de prijs daalt,
zelfs voor een tientje wordt ie uit je broek gehaald.
Dus mannen die op straat lopen met een stijve,
loop toch met een grote boog om deze vieze wijven.
Prostitutes may offer sex at low prices when in a desperate situation. Men should avoid prostitutes on the street as they are at high risk for sexually transmitted diseases.
Nog iets wat ze eigenlijk moeten verhinderen,
sommige hoertjes zijn gewoon nog kinderen.
Van een jaar of 16, en de heren
kan het natuurlijk weer geen neuk interesseren.
There's a big problem with child prostitution, as young girls are forced to sell their bodies when they should be in school. This issue is often not taken seriously enough.
Een hoerenloper is in principe niet slecht,
zolang ie het maar doet met het nodige respect.
Visiting a prostitute isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as it's done with respect for the person and their profession.
Lang leve de echte hoer, schop die heroine-junk terug naar d'r moer.
Genuine prostitutes should be celebrated and separated from those who engage in drugs and other dangerous activities.
Contributed by Riley O. Suggest a correction in the comments below.
kokorodokoro
Dutch is perfectly suited to rap. For me it's the rawest language in Europe. Those rolling R's and long u-sounds cut trough everything.
Michail Ros
Indeed its super raw, especially the Amsterdam accent, hard to compare but close to Brooklyn. Its hard and uninviting. But i like the flow of Dutch southern rap as well.. and even French
Michail Ros
I do, (Breukelen), but i don't see the connection to the accent, to far back, altough you never know..
Skele J㋡㋡p
As for being Old Skool,I was so impressed back in the late 80s,that Dutch Rap Conquered so much ground in such a short time,it really BLEW away Dutch English based Rap Music.
I grew up close to Amsterdam,and the words they use are very typical for that era,when Amsterdam was really something,now it's just a Tourist attraction that closes at 2AM .
Same thing happen to Dutch Rap,loads Bling Bling & Wannabe Gangster Rap,voices twisted n all that crap.
Marcel Trauschke
Ksus Susk Yes what you say that typical Amsterdam accent is slowly fading away, in my
family most people talk like that but the following generations less and less, its a shame
mirola73
Dat doet mij aan mijn oma denken, geboren getogen Amsterdamse.
Ze kwam met veel van dit soort woorden om de hoek, schitterende taal.
Begrijp alles, maar gebruik het erg weinig.
Had toen ik tiener was een bepaald soort schoenen gekocht, ik trots naar mijn oma, zegt ze 'Dat zijn net bordeelsluipers !' Nooit meer vergeten.
Sanne
Na zo veel jaar, krijg ik nog steeds hoogpolig kippenvel van dit nummer! 😍
J. Pjotrovskiy
Heerlijk nummer, houd er echt van🫶
Yuus B
Legendarische liedje man pik ben hier mee opgegroeid. Het heeft me door veel zware momenten geholpen. Thanks man pik het gaat je goed🥰
timmaastricht
Ik ben een rockluisterende Limbo, maar dit vind ik zooooo vet! Hulde aan Amsterdam en Osdorp Posse