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Mr Contrarian

2y↑60

If you’re going to make claims about aspartame being cancer causing and dangerous you should go into the research itself and pull it apart, stories like this while emotionally moving and very convincing are unfortunately not scientific.

If the aspartame studies are bad people shouldn’t write them off by saying “look who they’re funded by, how can they be trusted if it was funded by a company?”

Instead if the study is bad you should be able to critique it through the methodology itself bad control group, small sample size, bad dosages etc.

To my knowledge there have been to date no studies shown that any artificial sweeteners have bad effects on humans, and the animal studies so far are either safety studies that are dosed at levels far higher than what I humans normally eat on a Mg per Kg or they’re just full of outright sloppy controls.

A good example of studies being used to justify wrong ideas is the so called studies showing the deleterious effect that Artificial sweeteners have on gut health when in reality it was one study in the 90s that exposed E-Coli bacteria culture in vitro to pure sucralose and the E-Coli died so therefore sucralose must be bad for gut microbiome, sorry but it is patently ridiculous to extrapolate up to humans from a bacteria culture in a Petri dish being exposed to a pure concentrate.

Furthermore animal studies cannot be extrapolated out to humans, same goes with in vitro.

I love your channel and your work, however I would like you to back up your critique of artificial sweeteners with an actual scientific critique of the studies themselves.

All the best

Vi

2y↑48

The studies showing carcinogenicity in rats can't prove that aspartame causes cancers in humans, and epidemiological studies haven't found a link.
Rats metabolize aspartame differently from us.

I think it would have been important and responsible to point out that animal studies alone can rarely prove wheter or not a substance is safe in humans. There have been cases where the opposite occurred and a drug showed limited side effects in animal studies but caused severe/widespread problems in humans.

As for reported side effects, 100% of those with memory loss or vision problems have drunk water at some point.
"Correlation doesn't equal causation" feels like a tired cliché at this point, but it's true.
I'm not dismissing people's experiences but it would take a study with robust data and a control group to prove that aspartame caused symptoms, and you haven't linked to anything like that.

For the record I don't usually consume artificial sweeteners and I think it's a good idea to avoid or limit their use, based on nutrition classes I had in college.
But this video feels sensationalistic and a step down from your usual quality

probaddie

2y↑3

Eh... might be the first miss I've seen on this channel.

Had this just been a cautionary tale about the corruption of public institutions entrusted with guarding our health and safety, it would have landed in a good place. But it went too far into an anti-aspartame rant.

The problem is, the U.S. FDA and Searle aren't the only organizations that have studied the substance. Many organizations outside the U.S. have conducted their own independent research and have failed to find substantive links between dietary aspartame consumption and malignancy.

In short: Searle was a crappy and corrupt researcher who fudged data to get this work approved, but - by what is apparently cosmic coincidence - the substance actually is safe.

Lucky for the rest of us, I guess.

All comments from YouTube:

Magicman205

2y↑1.6K

Kiana.... how do you make literal documentaries that are the most well researched and supremely entertaining on the entire platform? And how do you do this consistently with every new upload?

Chad Chaddingson

@Kiana Docherty she does it because of Education and critical thought

blakasmurf

2y↑2

@Kiana Docherty And your editing getting to Netflix level!!!

Mark

2y↑1

In just here to agree with you all, very well done videos, thank you and keep at it! it really helps more then I'm willing to write about here

ChaCha

2y↑1

What did you study in college Kiana?

Withering Samadi

2y↑2

@Kiana Docherty and please don't rush yourself to make a new video. I'll be patiently waiting, cause your information is one of only few source i use for myself to improve my healthy lifestyle. Send loads of love from Indonesia. I just subscribed your channel this very day!💖

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Chicky

2y↑560

Long before I decided I needed to at least partially homeschool my kids (over 30 years ago) I believed both the FDA and the USDA were focused on supporting corporations and NOT our personal or public health. My son was actually sent to detention for arguing that cow’s milk was NOT a necessary part of human health during a public school class lesson on basic nutrition. Class materials were all donated by the Dairy Industry. Go figure.

Logan Wolv

2y↑2

@Giulia C. Well depends what you mean by that. Cancers get fueled by sugars (glucose, fructose and galactose), arginine wich is an amino acid, and well there was another amino acid but i forgot. And apperently they can use ketones for some sort of repair mechanism but yeah almost all you eat contains arginine so by that yeah everything "fuels" cancer because everything has arginine however they do prefer sugars if i can recall correctly.

Angelina 🪴

2y↑5

When I was pregnant my husband and I were newlyweds and cash was tight so I applied for WIC. The nutritionist there told me that I wasn’t drinking enough milk. I attempted to explain that I ate lots of nuts, seeds, yogurt, TUBS of greens -to the point my husband planted a little salad bar garden bc like I said we were broke lol

She basically cut me off too remind me of how long she’s been doing her job and dumbed down what milk is and why calcium is important… For reference I’m a certified culinarian, before I got pregnant I was a personal chef for medical clients (mostly high bp/heart attack), and have a dual degree from Le Cordon Blue Paris where food allergies and basic nutrition are part of the curriculum but she didn’t acknowledge that at all, only that she’s been in the field for 30 yrs…

Yrs later I still find it so bizarre, like she was personally offended I didn’t want to drink gallons of milk each month. My daughter came out perfectly fine btw 🤷🏻‍♀️ (That’s her trying to grab my phone in my pfp lol 💕)

*added work history

Mandi Blackwell

2y↑3

@Kayden L Actually dairy and soy can worsen most female cancers (like uterine and breast). So they generally advise you to avoid those for life. (source, cancer survivor's friend and ex pharmacy worker.)

Mandi Blackwell

@Katharine Eavan lol this is what I was thinking, like dairy is a common allergy nowadays...

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Artax 4732

2y↑245

I find it troubling that a documentary about the FDA is sponsored by a nutritional company.

La Reina de Corazones ♥️

2y↑7

I mean, that happens all the time Youtube isnt that carefull.

Artax 4732

2y↑21

@truzle613 well I'm sure that the nutritional company had to pass FDA approval, the same FDA this channel is accusing of corruption.

truzle613

2y↑2

What are you talking about?

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BasicName

2y↑115

I usually really enjoy your videos, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. The first major problem is that it is sponsored by "Athletic Greens" which, even if it is not actually harmful as claimed by other commenters, is very expensive and has no benefits if you eat a varied and otherwise healthy diet. I understand you need to earn a living, but at least pick another topic for the video than criticizing FDA if you really want to get sponsored by a company selling a (sketchy) product subject to far less stringent regulations than Aspartame.

The second major problem with the video is all the stuff you leave out. Like how Aspartame has been approved internationally by over 100 regulatory agencies OTHER than FDA including in the EU. Or how the initial studies you keep referencing used far higher doses of Aspartame than what will reasonably be consumed by a human. Just to name two examples. The things you leave out makes the video highly misleading, even if the information itself is not incorrect. I know you claim this video is only about the FDA and not about Aspartame's safety, but if you read the comments on this video you will see that most of the viewers did not make that distinction. Which again leads back to the video being misleading.

I really hope you do better next time as I have learned a lot from and enjoyed watching many of your previous videos.

Dude Like Seriously

2y↑2

@Tyler Satterfield pretty sure each agency does their own research before approving.

Tyler Satterfield

@randomwerewolf No, I’m sure they do. Just pointing it out.

Tyler Satterfield

2y↑2

The FDA was the first agency to approve aspartame and the international agencies followed suit.

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breveth

2y↑368

Kiana, love this episode. This scratches the surface. Look into sugar. Specifically refined sugar. It's horrifying. Greed has no boundaries.

jomana

2y↑1

@Johnson Tao How does more people suffering from obesity mean its effects are worse than alcohol? It doesn’t, what you don’t get is that they’re close contenders yet one of them is worse.
Compare health costs and death toll (direct & related), the answer is crystal clear, so don’t believe my “BS” and don’t waste my time, thank you.

Johnson Tao

@jomana as if I need to believe your BS, when in fact there's more people in the developed and developing worlds suffering from obesity, while both adults and child obesity rates are overtaking alcoholism.

jomana

@Johnson Tao The fact of the matter is, alcohol was, continues to be and always will be more harmful and deadly than obesity, to deny that is making excuses and it seems you’re the only one doing so.
Alcohol clearly extends impaired judgment over its mere consumption, but obesity not, please save yourself the rather impossible task of equating these addictions’ effects by looking up the number of death of each (per year), then think again before trying to defend your point.
Both are bad no doubt, but one is worse.

Johnson Tao

@jomana clinical obesity comes with impaired judgment when it comes to unhealthy and addictive ultra processed food products, so does alcoholism with alcohols. People suffering obesity are just as capable of physical violence in the form of preventable lifestyle diseases, while innocent people who can't protect themselves from physical altercation, because they didn't learn how to handle physical violence like a tool, still aren't safe from violence. You're still just making excuses.

jomana

@Johnson Tao obesity doesn’t come with the impaired judgment that lets you beat your spouse and kids then be addictive enough to let you do it all over again, or have you end some unsuspecting pedestrians’ lives when a car is in the mix.
Alcoholics usually become obese, but not the other way around, I’d even argue that drunkenness should be a crime because drinking is a decision; obesity is normally not. One is nocuous to virtually anything who’s crossed the path of the one consuming it and the other at worst ties down those who care for you deeply, so who’s making excuses?

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Joel Tucci

2y↑115

“The FDA takes money to support unverified claims”, also check out our sponsors who also make a bunch of unverified health claims….

muppy

2y↑1

most products (especially) dont conduct research on the efficacy of their product specifically because the product is made up of supplements that have already been researched. it was easy for me to find the ingredients and benefits that they claim, and from there you can research the individual supplements themselves plus read consumer reviews if that matters to you. the difference is that we arent watching a government authority meant to dictate what is good for you or what isnt, just a youtube video..

Colton Reeves

2y↑7

The difference being that Kiana isn’t funded by your tax dollars with a legal obligation to look out for your best interests

EhliART

2y↑10

At least Kiana is honest with who sponsors her!

g

2y↑97

How can you start your video by criticising the statement that "aspartame is the most well-tested food additive in history" and then go into a sponsorship segment claiming that Athletic Green "supports gut health and immunity", without citing any sources? The Athletic Greens website doesn't link to any research about the effects of their product. How can you make these claims on behalf of your sponsor? Isn't this a conflict of interest?

muppy

2y↑3

most products (especially) dont conduct research on the efficacy of their product specifically because the product is made up of supplements that have already been researched. it was easy for me to find the ingredients and benefits that they claim, and from there you can research the individual supplements themselves. the difference is that we arent watching a government authority meant to dictate what is good for you or what isnt, just a youtube video..

Casa Duro - Tiny Home

2y↑2

@Natalie Williams This is a very interesting perspective. But it's really hard to justify any creator endorsing a product / service that fundamentally conflicts with their own message. It has made me unsubscribe from many channels over the years. If you can't stick to your principles, I can't trust you. Start a Patreon account instead and be accountable to your audience

Natalie Williams

2y↑30

sadly sponsorships are a microcosm of the point of this video I feel like as viewers we have to tune out the sponsorship parts and consider them a necessary evil to support the channel

Drew Hinners

2y↑614

Imagine the government and corporations not being one and the same. One can dream I guess.

Greyed

2y↑1

@Christina Corporatism is not capitalism.

Greyed

You... you do realize that is impossible, right? Corporations are legal entities that were created by the government. You cannot have corporations without that. Furthermore, regulatory capture is a thing. A thing we've known about since the '50s.

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Ryan De Witt

2y↑124

Aspartame is one of the most studied food additives in existence. That includes independent studies. There is no strong evidence either short term or long term of any harm in anything but ridiculously high amounts.

Clay North

seems l like you missed the point, which was a private drug company forging there research and buying off the FDA.

you would agree that is a very serious problem?

Ryan De Witt

2y↑3

@GabrielAKAFinn That is the sweeter I prefer. Aspartame I will use if no Splenda is available. However I am sure you know and especially look a lot better than me with your obvious incredible knowledge of nutrition.

GabrielAKAFinn

2y↑1

@Ryan De Witt Splenda doesn't have aspartame g e n i u s

Ryan De Witt

2y↑4

@GabrielAKAFinn I already take in a considerable amount. Probably about 20-30 packets of Splenda a day and have done that for quite some time. Not to mention other products with Splenda.

I focus on training, keeping my calories and nutrients along with macros in check. Not on artificial sweeteners, GMO's, organic, gluten, or whatever else may be the flavor of the month in terms of health or weight loss.

GabrielAKAFinn

@Ryan De Witt So you're willing to drink 6 cans a day for a year for science?

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Mr Contrarian

2y↑60

Aphro

2y↑5

My psych professors crammed this into our minds! As much as it wore me out I'm grateful for it now, it really helps to be able to critically analyze and understand scientific literature. I would go as far as to say it's important for the general public to know how to do this for themselves. It's too easy to get swept up in emotional bandwagon of writing things off or harping on something new just because someone else said so. It's important to understand the sources of this information!

brokePC

2y↑14

This exactly, thank you for commenting. All these animal tests give a general idea on what MIGHT occur, but when we have studies done on humans that disprove those effects, animal studies mean little.

skls

2y↑407

I actually work in clinical research or the industry that conducts testing for the safety and efficacy of drugs/food additives etc. and present the findings for government approval. On one hand I know the FDA regulations and regulators get it right but boy do they get it wrong.
The treatment of animals and documentation was absolutely trash in the 70s. A similar story to this one is Industrial Bio-Test Laboratories and the facilities there were so bad it was called “the Swamp”. Staff also removed tumors on the animals, replaced animals all without documenting it. And it skewed the results of studies and made products seem safer than they may have been.
Altogether a great video and I’m thankful someone’s able to bring this info to the public.

Mandi Blackwell

2y↑6

So ex pharmacy worker here, and I have to say yeah FDA is a joke and it is scary how things like medical devices and some new meds are approved, it is soooo sketchy.

Briana Maria McGinley-Downey

2y↑8

@koreabae I am not sure where in biomedical r&d you are in, in a hospital, in a lab, in a Dr's office but it restores my faith in humanity that is your experience. In my experience when a clinical drug goes to trial its goes to the Drs. offices or a hospital( hospitals are wayyy more strict) Say we were running a diabetes or arthritis drug, double blind, let's say 100,000 people all around the world. Patients "miss a dose" or tell the dr side effects. The Dr then only reports half of the side effects to statistician since big pharma is paying them good money to get the drugs through (they have a whole team of salespeople for these Drs.) Depending on the drug, the medical assistants or nurses do the intake for these patients, and give the medication and are responsible for calling the IRT specialist of any changes, drugs go missing, patients given the wrong dose constantly. And it's the specialists job to go on the back end and update their system. The Drs office then marks it as dispensed correctly, that is what is given to the statistician, NOT the info on the backend, and that information never makes it to the FDA or DEA. A whole study of incorrect information is then given to the r &d team to then comb through, that they think is correct.

koreabae

2y↑15

I work in biomedical research as a PhD student and I can say compared to the record keeping detailed here, I am under way more scrutiny than one of these companies. I can’t bribe reviewers or fake results. They would axe me so quick.

Kiana Docherty

2y↑19

@Briana Maria McGinley-Downey wow thats so interesting!!!!

Briana Maria McGinley-Downey

2y↑44

My husband and I both worked in clinical studies in big Pharma. I made the randomization lists for the patients, and designed labels for studies in cancer, diabetes..you name it.. Its. A. Joke. The FDA and DEA look at you SOP's and make sure everything is calibrated correctly, thats about it. You can make numbers up all day and they would never notice, as long as the study looks like it was run with validity. My husband got fired for pointing out the flaws in their clinical trials. The people that run these places for the most part are raging narcissists, and an critique against their process to make the studies more safe and effective for the patients is a sure way to get you fired.

Avery Hayes

2y↑331

I generally agree that the FDA has performed poorly when it comes to drug and medical device regulation. However, I would like to point out that pretty much every food regulator in the world has approved aspartame so it’s hard to chalk up the approval to just FDA corruption. I’m also extremely skeptical of the potential problems of aspartame.

blakasmurf

2y↑2

@Kate Mask I was just about to say this, EU food standards are much higher than US. The US is a capatalist haven tbh, it's profit before anything. Saying that the EU did approve aspartame, saying that it is safe in the "General Population," i.e that symptoms found in 10,000 people is not adverse enough to deem it unsafe. I would say don't knock it back like crazy, but don't feel too bad if you have it every now and then.

Kate Mask

2y↑3

@Sean Hoover I would disagree there! As a European, I once ordered some sweets from the US just for fun and when I looked up the ingredients I was absolutely shocked at how many were considered dangerous and forbidden in the EU. I actually didn't even try all of the products simply because of the concerning number of dangerous ingredients. It made me actually worry about what US citizens really consume just eating regular food.

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Kal Diark

2y↑301

Talking about pharmaceutical fraud, while advertising a vitamin mix that contains pseudoscientific “adaptogens” is quite something. You cannot have it both ways.

Riley Jordan

@GabrielAKAFinn yeah people gotta understand that she has to make money somehow and she’ll take what she can get. Are people actually watching these ads in their entirety? She’s not NBC she’s a small YouTuber.

GabrielAKAFinn

2y↑1

Whataboutism at it's finest. The impact of this nobody youtuber compared to the impact of the most important regulatory organ in the world.

bina nocht

2y↑1

@Kal Diark well they're not meant to make you adapt... they help regulate your response to stresses...and there are a million things that contribute to that in part because basically everything from magnesium essential fatty acids and nutrients to breathing differently has an effect on you're ability to respond to stress I mean probably it's more reasonable to say everything can be an adaptagen from having a positive mantra in the morning to heavily sedating yourself with a spliff. I mean it's a pretty vague and sketchy terminology ...ginging seems to be the only particular one who fits the full description. But even salt can adapt your response to stress. I had fucked up stress hormones a few years ago and it wasn't any herbs that helped but straightening out some habits and thought processes and intake more salt helped immensely. I did at one point try ginseng and it definitely did something but It made things worse for me. Some packets of crisps were all I needed along with better sleep habits and some meditation to regulate my stress response. I can say I tried Chinese herbs for insomnia and they sorted me out in three days. So probably some adaptogens in there who knows. But it does seem like most healthy foods are going to help you adapt to stress better by just providing things like magnesium etc. Cos there's about a buzzillion things involved in stress and coping with it. In fact there's not mcuh else we do as people except deal with stress of some kind or another. Every cell every organ is involved. Its a redundant thing to say and a moot point to me mroe than a dangerous claim beyond imagining it possible

Kal Diark

2y↑2

@bina nocht Hey there fellow European here 🙃 Yes adaptogens are found in other things, the only problem is that they are no shown to do anything to help humans “adapt”. And yes the unregulated supplement industry is crazy in the USA, but it is getting worse in the EU too.

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I am a Twat!

2y↑26

Interesting video, but I feel like you did not touch on what negativities that the independent studies pointed out. Often studies give 100x if not 1000x the normal doses... anything in excess I would expect side effect. If we force feed a mouse 1000X it's daily protein intake it's likely going to have kidney failure... but that would not mean do not eat proteins. It has also been 40 years since we've been adding it to everything and I would expect we would see some sort of macrolevel of analysis. I do look forward to your aspartame video and hope you'll provide a little more on the other side.

OLD HUNTER

2y↑238

The FDA is lying to us and here is why, but first, let me introduce you to this magical concoction from our sponsor

bina nocht

2y↑1

@Dennis Maron so do you think green vegetables do not help you to detox? Wheres your evidence for that? You do need to have some sort of theory or evidence if you're going to start saying the earth isnt round.

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M. Harris

2y↑183

Thank you for speaking differently and not being afraid of “controversial” topics.

D M

2y↑88

Complains about inadequate study of aspartame and corporate funded science, then sells a pseudoscience supplement where the only studies on effectiveness are funded by the company. Pretty much all of the few studies on green powders are also industry funded. Multiple peer reviewed studies have found vit. D supplementation worthless for most people. The regulation of supplements is also way worse than that of food or drugs so there is really no accountability for products like that.

Emanuel Landeholm

Take my energy award!

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TerBear

2y↑360

I have always really enjoyed your content, but I have to be honest that I was surprised to see the ad for Athletic Greens, especially after being so critical of the FDA (the FDA has little bearing in my neck of the woods, as I'm not American - but I was interested in your assessment of Aspertame - that stuff is nasty). Surely there were other sponsorships you could have gone with instead. When I went to check out the product (because when I hear buzz words like "superfood" I immediately give the product the side eye and go look things up about it). What did I find? Other buzz words describing the product, such as "detox" (especially when it concerns the liver - the liver is a highly specialised organ that filters and detoxes the body naturally - it does not need to be detoxed itself), "superfood" (there is no such thing) and several other buzz words used around dodgy supplements that have little to no research backing them up. The business model is also suspicious because automatically renewed subscriptions usually come with issues in cancelling and/or returning the product if it does not meet the buyer's expectations. I did see numerous complaints about that. I also couldn't find any studies on this specific product and saw a few reviews of it stating that there is no way of knowing if the ingredients are in "clinically relevant doses". So, the product to me is suspect, not to mention extremely expensive. At the same time, the thing I do appreciate about the ad, is that you use the product yourself and enjoy it and find it beneficial. Of course anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much (and unfortunately all I could find regarding the product is anecdotal evidence), but at least you stand by a product you actually use.

mrrpggamer2

This is why I skip ads given the choice since she uses chapters to organize her video I just skip to the next chapter.

Abaleen D

2y↑26

@Kiana Docherty I know u gotta pay your bills but this is poor choice of ad placement and borderline hypocritical lol. Maybe put ads in like, 1000lbs sister reaction video or something.

John Doe

2y↑6

Integrated ads are still ads, it's always safe to ignore who's endorsing them when it comes to evaluating the product. I have no doubt these doubious companies pay very well, and in the end content creators have to put food on the table. Admittedly it was of poor taste but I doubt the product is harmful.

Jillian Eizenga

2y↑29

Dose makes the toxin, and the medicine. What the initial poster said is absolutely correct. There’s no regulation on dietary supplements so it’s a bizarre thing to promote in light of that video. On that note, if it’s the same study I’ve looked into, the amounts of aspartame given to the mice in the initial study was more than any human could reasonably consume. Not saying all of the evidence provided in this video is incorrect or that we should blindly trust agencies like the FDA, but then you shouldn’t trust small « natural « companies either. Usually love her videos but this one left out some valuable pieces of information

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Aline Braga

2y↑102

Kiana, honestly, your research and topics are astonishing. I enjoy every single one of those and my jaw drops throughout the whole video.
You do a better job than many investigative reporters, your content is amazing!

Kiana Docherty

2y↑6

🥺🥺🥺 thank you!!! This comment means a lot! :’)💕💕

Vi

2y↑48

Sarah Hempton

2y↑14

Agreed strongly, thank you for writing such a thoughtful comment. There was no mention of "the dose makes the poison" which was surprising because that's usually commonly talked about with sugar substitutes. I agree that the video felt sensationalistic and I think it focused too much on aspartame in particular. I think the real core issue that does make sense to me is that the FDA is not doing their own research and is trusting companies at their word, but that wasn't the takeaway from the video.

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TheCatLadytm

2y↑91

No offense here but does Athletic Greens seem dodgy to anyone else? Im glad you use it and find it beneficial, Kiana, but anything with the word superfood in it makes me look a little more skeptically. It honestly sounds just like a pre workout supplement and those aren't really regulated from what I can tell. I've watched too many Chubbyemu videos to trust that kind of stuff.

Frozen Riptide

2y↑1

@UltimateTacoz It’s her sponsor and she actually uses it. No one is forcing you to buy the product.

D M

2y↑15

The problem is supplements are not regulated by the FDA. So she complains about lack of regulation, and then sells a product that is not subject to any kind of regulation whatsoever. The ingredients may look fine, but most of the claims that that company makes are not true

Olympic-grade lurker

2y↑9

@Stephanie Kanoun and yet there are plenty of other YouTubers who seem to be able to make honest an informative content with no sponsors whatsoever.

Julia _

2y↑35

@Stephanie Kanoun but to promote a supplement drink with unfounded claims and not do research about it while condemning FDA for being money hungry, not researching on Aspartame and being quick to approve it. It’s just ironic. She can choose who to take sponsorships from.

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drtij_dzienz

2y↑133

I worked at fda for 1.5y. Fda does get a lot of “user fees” from the companies to drive hiring of new university grads to write review memos on a timely basis. There are many ways reviewers and consultants can be pressured to justify one scientific decision or another. Could be direct pressure from a manager or soft pressure from peers; I’ve seen both. The reasons for the pressure are usually political in nature. There could be a patient advocacy group publicly shaming your division or the fda employees wanting to play favorites with some companies vs others. One thing average people don’t understand very well, is that fda does not directly test the products. The fda can ask the company to run tests, and fda reviews the disclosed results.

mercurymay39

2y↑135

So, I'm a little scared to watch because I drink so much aspartame. Realistically, though, that hesitation is probably the reason I have to watch. Thanks 🙂

Gabriel Iacoboni

2y↑1

@Soft Girl Rules and regulations change over time. Can't speak to your mother and memory.

Olympic-grade lurker

2y↑7

Katina is not a food scientist and her video on the supposed addictiveness of diet coke is not back up very well by good studies. For every "addicted" person, there's many more who aren't. I can just as easily give a dozen personal anecdotes that those people enjoy diet Coke they can live without it just fine.

Lazy Existentialist

2y↑1

@Olympic-grade lurker I worked for a certain large coffee chain and one guy asked for 24 WHOLE PACKS of this stuff in his tea! I could taste it on my tongue just from the air through a face mask. Hopefully nothing bad happens to him!

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ShadowFox1289

2y↑30

There need to be some examination of clinical trials for aspartame's safety. Right now it's just a surface level video casting suspicion using vague references. I'd say you showed that aspartame was initially approved with bad data but then didn't go on to show what any new data revealed. You showed a picture of rats with tumors from an unrelated trial in attempt to lead the viewer to support your conclusion. Maybe that trial looked at benzene exposure on rats? We'll never know because the source wasn't cited. While data does exist that aspartame is carcinogenic there is also much good, independent data showing it's safe and even the European equivalent of the FDA believes it to be safe. Get into the discussion of data and the strengths and weaknesses of each side. Finally I find it hypocritical that you would make a video saying the FDA was bought off while being sponsored by a company making health claims backed by zero science. Where are the athletic greens clinical trials and safety data? The conflicts of interest you bring up on study authors also fall on you as well.

ShadowFox1289

2y↑26

@Kiana Docherty That may not have been the intent but by using inconsistencies with aspartame safety data as for why you don't trust the FDA it becomes an important piece that can't be left unresolved. This event happened 30+ years ago and the FDA hasn't changed their position. Is it because they're still corrupt or because aspartame has been found to be safe since then? The viewer will never know unless you review ongoing data and the FDA's response to it.

Kiana Docherty

2y↑4

The video isn’t about aspartame’s safety! Which is why I didn’t get into any of that.

Marebear 1107

2y↑97

Kiana always delivering the quality educational content! Love watching these videos in my nursing school study breaks! 🥰

Marebear 1107

2y↑1

@Kiana Docherty we appreciate it so much! Your sugar, fascia, and hydration for healthy brain activity videos changed my life 🥰

Kiana Docherty

2y↑3

thank you!! i'm always so flattered when people truly working in the health field enjoy my content haha <3

Chad Underhill

2y↑16

No mention of the EFSA approval and re-evaluation process makes these claims incomplete at best and the delivery is sensationalist and feels manipulative. Disappointed - was hoping for a less biased interpretation

Jade McL

2y↑79

"I need to tell you guys about the terrifying history of aspartame"

Me, literally picking up a diet coke to take a swig:...uh-oh....

lain iwakura

2y↑12

If you did a series of this type of thing, I would so watch. It's sad how the FDA, Teddy Roosevelt's own creation, got corrupted the way it did.

Jude Fitz

2y↑35

It seems that dosage may be the key factor. At times, scientists with an agenda will give dosages of a substance far below what a subject will consume in a normal product to demonstrate safety, or far in excess to suggest danger.

I can give you uranium to eat and claim its safe if its on the scale of one part per billion. Likewise, an iron supplement can be helpful, but eating a nail is bad for health.

Casa Duro - Tiny Home

2y↑1

I'm always surprised by studies conducted on mice/monkeys that give them HUGE quantities, or don't take the environment that they're living in into consideration at all. Like maybe living isolated in a cage with no natural sunlight can cause symptoms of illness or even cancer? There's many examples of studies with addictive drugs where mice in that awful environment will overdose, whereas ones who are living outside with enough mice to socialize with will display the same % of addicts as the general human population.

Jude Fitz

2y↑2

@Rebekah Nicholas I suppose I did get a bit mixed up. What can I say, solid B student here.

Would you happen to be in Upstate New York? I would love to talk more over coffee.

jht3fougifh

2y↑2

Exactly.

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Sopy Lee Crypt

2y↑149

Brave, well-researched, well-presented as usual. And your hair looks gorgeous.

ChaCha

I agree. Her hair looks fantastic.

AngelaMerici12

2y↑1

Very importan 💁‍♀️! ☺️

Kiana Docherty

2y↑16

hahah aww thank you!!! <3

eggegg

2y↑66

Meh. "Who can we trust?" Maybe the general consensus, outside of USA? Aspartame is in many products in my country and europeans in general have harsher food regulations than amercia, I'm pretty sure it's allowed in most places anyway.
I'll take it any day over refined sugar to be honest. Refined, added "natural" sugars just make me hungry and craving more sugar or white carbs after an hour, artificial stuff is just... nice. No overeating, no binging. Also artificial sweeteners don't have that disgusting "sticky" feeling after drinking or eating sugary stuff, love that.

ManBearPig

2y↑1

@Ärztin Shasta If it raised my insulin levels, I would then see a dip in my blood sugar levels. So let me rephrase: Drinking an aspartame riddled beverage, I see no change in my blood sugar levels at all, meaning, it has zero effect on my insulin levels.

Ärztin Shasta

@ManBearPig They said aspartame raises insulin, not blood sugar. Your blood sugar not spiking after drinking pepsi max doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it raises insulin levels

God Is My Judge

Sugar is atrocious for your teeth as well, beyond causing inflammation

Jeremy Jenner

2y↑1

So true! I'm Australian and the medical consensus here is very much in favour of aspartame as well. I'll take my sweetener tablets and Diet Coke over conspiracies and fearmongering, personally. Also I agree about the lack of stickiness, makes drink spills way cleaner!

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Omg

2y↑16

Kiana’s videos are like Supersize Me. I eat healthy for a few days after watching, then go back to living on frozen food, fast food, and Pringles a couple days later.

EditYourLife

2y↑35

This was pretty disappointing, especially your sponsorship while talking about the FDA and corruption. Talk about hypocrisy.

Michael Clark

2y↑4

I'll admit I used to be that person that was like "o this is FDA approved so it is totally safe to eat or drink" you have literally made me go 180 on that statement. Thank you really well done video

[HDLM] Scruffee

2y↑2

Kiana, it is an incredible thing watching someone like you making hard hitting stuff like this. Uniquenameosaurus, an anime youtuber, writing a detailed breakdown of the evils committed in the name of intellectual property, and how we could still support artists even if every work of art were public domain. BDobbinsFTW, a Call of Duty commentator, writing a rant on the very fundamental structure of labor and education in America. MysteriousMrEnter, a cartoon critic, showcasing the greatest dangers of technology and the corporations that use it.

You're doing god's work for the little guy by talking about issues like addictive diet soda, fast food hazards, habit forming behaviors, and coming back from extreme obesity and disordered eating. I am happy to have found you back when you talked about ALR and other kiwifarms subjects.

Sincerely,
A random internet commenter whose google account has a fake name and who lives in a car.

Amanda K.

2y↑14

this is a funny one for me because my mom works for the fda, but my dad never allowed me to have aspartame growing up. and i'm very thankful he was so careful

nnaenae

2y↑3

You did a great job girl! I love your videos. They’re informative and well researched 👌

Mysti Gayle

2y↑17

I love seeing an update from you. You have the most informative, well-researched, and entertaining short docs on this site. Keep up the great work! <3

Anna Wilder

2y↑36

Looking forward to this; I love your channel! I discovered it recently and it is just what this grad student needs to reform some eating habits. I have actually stuck to a caloric limit for over 50 days now!! It’s only a very slight deficit so I think that has made it realistic and doable

Pootis Man

Good job, keep going!

Anna Wilder

2y↑1

@AngelaMerici12 Thank you so much!!

Anna Wilder

@Sarah Watts thank you!!

AngelaMerici12

2y↑1

That's awesome! ☺️ 👍

Sarah Watts

2y↑1

Congratulations on your progress!

Re ne

2y↑34

I really liked the video but could you maybe next time provide references to your research? Sure, I can just open next tab and look it up myself (which I did) but it would be much more convenient to just search for it in the description. :) Again, Loved the vid

Kaya Filikovska

2y↑22

Oh my god, I absolutely hate diet coke in any shape or form because of its horrible taste. So my bf and my dad are constantly trying to convince me to drink diet beverages instead. So now I have 100% proof of being right to avoid that kind of stuff. Thanks, Kiana! I am definitely sharing this video!

dream of some epiphany

2y↑1

It’s so upsetting to see these people being bought off even when it’s an important matter. These people are supposed to be the last line of defence before these drugs and additives are given to the public. Just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

belka tesfjgv

2y↑30

I love how people don’t realise that these government agencies can be brought by big phama

Joshua Sandoval

2y↑2

At this point it's a pipeline of high-power employment. The something in the financial sector with FTC

Nana

2y↑25

As someone who enjoy your content and with a deep interest in science, I’m very disappointing that your video does not rely on science but only sensationalism.

You’ve done what we call in science cherry picking, which consists of selecting studies and scientific evidence proving exactly what you want to prove and ignoring the opposing data. Besides, you are so good at making your own research on a subject that I find it really hard to believe you did not come across scientific articles stating that further studies should be conducted because as of today, there is no real evidence that aspartame causes cancer or is dangerous.These articles generally state that animal studies are not reliable in proving the dangerousness of aspartame.

The best studies are clinical studies but ethically, we cannot take humans and expose them to extreme doses of aspartame for a certain period of time like they did with mice.

Just know cooked meat is supposed to be dangerous just because scientists have decided to feed mice with meat, a food that they are not supposed eat or digest. It means the poor mice were given food in extreme quantities that they could never matabolize. Of course it will cause cancer and serious health effects among mice. Hence the idea that cooked meat is carcinogenic. But is it ? From what I read It would take more than 100 ribs in one setting for a man to start having negative effects, and still they will be okay.

Logan Wolv

Yeah, we don't even need to give humans a shit ton of aspartame, all we need to know is what really happens when aspartame is given in realistic/relevant doses, and yeah in that dose it seems to be safe.

Stone-sama

2y↑1

processed meat (ham, salami, hot dog meat n shit) is carcinogenic at least, that much is sure

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Vaporwave_Bl00D

Thank you for making this video, recently I’ve been stuck in a medical mystery over the past 4 months now, and after researching more for aspartame’s effects, we think this may be what’s been causing my condition to grow worse in such a fast rate. Again thank you so much.

ibeaman

2y↑19

I love all your videos so much you've been such a great motivation I've lost 60 pounds so far thank you so much keep up the good work

Kiana Docherty

2y↑6

yesss get it!! congratulations and thank you! <3

Kelly

2y↑2

“The FDA is supposedly a watchdog agency mandated to protect the public from dangerous and ineffective drugs. In fact, the FDA is ineffective and dangerous to the public.”

Alexander Bingham, Clinical Psychiatrist and Professor at John F. Kennedy University

Lucas

2y↑16

LOVE IT when I see people using true analytical skills when assessing research. Keep fighting the good fight Kiana 👏

Patrick Gosselin

2y↑26

The production quality of your video is great and it look like a professional documentary. That make me disappointed that the content is disinformation and will turn more peoples into weird conspiracies theories. Canada and Europe have approved aspartame and they financed a lot of independent studies that all said aspartame is safe for human. Also it been in our food for over 50 years. That video is making me question the rest of your content.

tanaka314159

2y↑4

Another masterpiece! Never stop doing what you do!

Britt Lyn

2y↑2

girl… you’re hitting a new level with this one. keep it up 👏🏻

katherine hughes

2y↑1

Great job on this video, Kiana! I stopped consuming aspartame many years ago ( maybe 10) because I felt like it altered my hunger levels. Interesting to hear that it may cause some other issues.

Leah Bucci

2y↑3

I've been onto this for years. I have had friends who consume diet coke daily and also happen to have MS. A friend's husband was showing cancerous psa numbers, stopped aspartame, numbers went back down. It's crazy. The FDA is so corrupt it's ridiculous. And your darker hair looks SO good!

ManBearPig

2y↑6

Aspartame is approved by pretty much every country's food regulatory bodies, including Canada and EU, both of which have notoriously high standards for approval, as evidenced by the the many additives that are permitted in the US, but banned from sale in Canada and the EU. And I highly doubt there's a global aspartame conspiracy.....

probaddie

2y↑3

Amberdean Hurst

2y↑5

GREAT video! I love how well researched and well versed you always are. I would love to see you dive deeper into this (other ingredients that are possibly addictive, FDA approved and in a lot of processed foods. Other ingredients or products that the FDA is getting a kick back for/etc.)

martin chernev

2y↑30

This is outrageous! I've never really questioned FDA's approvals until now. Good thing I don't live in the US I guess.

GabrielAKAFinn

Your country just picks up whatever the FDA allows, so.

Avery Hayes

2y↑9

@martin chernev Yes the FSA also funded a re-evaluation of the evidence and found it to be safe.

martin chernev

2y↑1

@Avery Hayes after a 2min google search it looks like I do, which is not a surprise given that the European Food Safety Agency says it's safe.

Avery Hayes

2y↑11

I mean its highly likely you live in a country that allows aspartame in food though. (Because its safe)

Ripperino Kripperino

2y↑32

I don't live in America but I've always wondered about the FDA, often confused by the seemingly blind faith in such a large scale organization. Thanks for the video I always look forward to your uploads. I especially loved your video about Diet Coke. Thanks for your hard work.

illessi

@Melissa Hollingshead the fda has this quote on their website "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) signed an arrangement with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and the Department of Health Canada (Health Canada) recognizing each other's food safety systems as comparable to each other." if you don't trust the fda I'd say you should probably not trust the Canadian equivalent either.

Melissa Hollingshead

@Generic American in Canada we have multiple agencies going over food safety which is why so many food products in the states can't be sold in Canada

lain iwakura

Typically the FDA requires stringent, years long testing, especially when it comes to drugs. I don't like how buddy-buddy they've been with the pharmaceutical companies these past couple of years.

Generic American

Is it not legal in your country?

Lolapriya

2y↑1

Just found your channel today. I've been non stop watching your videos all day. Not only are your videos well edited and catchy but just so well researched. I really resonated with your personal weight loss journey as well, thank you <3

Belize Kellerman🇧🇷

2y↑6

Oh, how I missed you! You’re so knowledgeable, and I thank you for all the work and sweat you put on your videos! Have a wonderful day, Kiana!

Carlos E. C. Gordillo

2y↑3

Wow! How many stuff we put on our bodies that can be unsafe just for the greed of a few individuals.
Really nice job Kiana.
Cheers from México.

KuroKuri Raya S.

2y↑1

My beloved Kiana; I consume a lot of aspartame for years (between the 8 years with TCA with the diet food and the fiber Me+amuc1l) and almost ruined my life with "ovario poliquístico" (sorry, English isn't my first language).
Thank you so much for this documentary, you are the best ;w;

Jacob Powell

2y↑2

Remember every drug/food product that has been recalled by the FDA was approved by the FDA

Nickodemo

2y↑22

This is painful to watch, some people's lack of humanity is so disappointing.

Emily Wilkins

2y↑1

Kiana, I love your videos, the way you explain and research the topics really helps me understand the content. I’ve recently had a struggle with refined sugar; I used to be overweight and then became healthier, over Christmas I fell off the wagon and ate lots of refined sugars and this reintroduction caused me so many health issues! (Now clearing up by reducing sugars).
I would really love if you did a video on the health affects (and addiction) of refined sugar. Please think about it ❤️

Primazia de Calvino

2y↑4

Same exact thing here in Brazil, I think the difference is that corruption is almost in our DNA and people expected ANVISA (our FDA) do be the prime example of Regulatory Capture (all our agencies are prime examples of that). But now out of a sudden it's become the epitome of moral and ethics and everything they decide is gospel.

Sarbear

2y↑3

I would love a video on Rockefeller’s influence on medical school teachings and his attempt to push petrochemical pharmaceuticals from his oil vs “uncivilized herbal modalities” and preventative care

Ingrid Marie Kjelseth

2y↑1

Yes, I read the story of how aspartame was approved, way back. It is so corrupt and shouldn't be digested. The FDA's approvals unfortunately has a massive impact on how things are approved or disproved in other countries around the world too, because society has great faith in USA.

Hannah

2y↑1

This is amazing journalism, thank you for standing up!

Salamander

I love your longer-form documentary style content, definitely worth the waits.

flufftronable

2y↑1

What an amazing professionally produced video, great job Kiana 👍🏻

missraincanyon

2y↑9

I always love your videos, they are so well done and informative and this one is no different. Your editing style is fire.

Sara Jerde

This is wonderfully done! I know Susan's not gonna be happy about this video, but we should try and push it further anyway. Keep up the good work Kiana!

K. Lou Combs

2y↑1

I've heard that aspartame is bad for you for years, but DANG. I didn't realize how much corruption there was behind its approval.

A

2y↑3

I honestly can‘t wait for you to get the recognition you deserve.

Alley Ernst

2y↑4

Thank you for making this video! I've heard so much about aspartame but never understood the true answer.

Raven Morrigana

2y↑1

Thanks for touching on this. My husband had discovered this a decade ago when I had to switch to diet soda. It's really hard to get away from aspartame, because it is everywhere.

Caryl Gibbs

Every one of your videos feels like a paper I might have written in graduate school. Thank you for your content. I have learned so much from you as I market-research my own channel (on a completely different topic) and how to effectively incorporate solid research into an interesting and effective educational channel. ❤️

Craig Richard

2y↑2

Thank you ive been saying this for forever
Basically give them money and they’ll put the OK on whatever
In addition there’s things we have in stores that aren’t allowed in other first world countries. And again the US government acts like mistreating citizens is some moral character.

Julian B. Zacco Nievas

2y↑1

Good job Kiana! Great video. I would have really liked to see more detail of those studies that found negative effects. Are you planning on making a part 2?

MalinasWorld

Thanks for this exceptionally good investigative piece of content. And now let's think about this: how can we trust any study, any organization that is funded by the industry - and how do we even know that they are? Well, they do their best to hide their connections and we can't trust them, and we shouldn't - they don't have our best interest in mind. If you go deeper, you are completely desillusionized about how our system works...There is definitely much room for improvement ;)

Christina Damon

2y↑3

Love your videos kiana!! Do you think you’ll do a deep dive on Noom’s negative reviews sometime? It just trended negatively on Twitter last week with people saying it was an ED in disguise. I know they’ve sponsored you in the past, but I would love a deep dive into what people are alleging about the app and whether or not their opinions are accurate. I have never used it but after seeing you talk about it I thought it sounded good, then seeing it trend on Twitter it sounded bad. As soon as I saw the conversation I was like huh, I wonder what kiana thinks!

Did I stutter?? Why yes, YES I DID! ♥️

2y↑1

You're amazing Kiana! Thanks for even more wonderful content!!

Cai MacCoinnich

2y↑32

... Then why do ALL OTHER countries with less corruption come to similar conclusions that aspartame is fine? The European regulators found it safe... Even my country's regulator found it safe and they're often more stringent than the FDA...
Is the next thing you say going to be "MSG is bad?"

Brooke Lee

2y↑5

I think you’re missing the point is that they lied about the research and bribed to have their products pushed through.

syntax error

2y↑1

Aspartame has been tested in so many countries from the EU to Japan you would think one of them would make news if it was that bad for you. I went down the rabbit hole with sweeteners a few years back and the most damning I found was that if you gave rats a ungodly amount of the stuff they died. But that is like eating 10kg of Aspartame for a human. You drink 10 litre of water and you will die also. But these kind of videos keep popping up regardless confusing everyone.

Fabian Banda III

Whenever I watch videos like this to me it always seems unfinished. Like I wish there was a second half talking about how these corrupt figures get exposed and overthrown and are forced to have consequences for their actions.... But I forgot it's a documentary and not a movie.

PROSEGOLD

Very well put together and researched. Fantastic first step in a more serious, documentary-esque format. Looking forward to seeing where this type of content takes the channel, and glad to see your passion for health and diet related topics taking you in a more serious direction.

Izzie T

2y↑13

I have a feeling the algorithm isn't going to like this one... Thank you for your excellent content and spreading the truth!!

Laura Klaumann

Ainda bem que aqui no Brasil temos a Anvisa 🙏🏻

Death OfTime

2y↑1

makes me wonder what aspertame consumption has done to me. i started exclusively drinking diet soda when i was a kid. i was putting on weight and was hoping switching to diet soda might keep it from getting worse. i'm currently 44 years old. i was drinking at least six liters of soda a day for decades. (quit two weeks ago). the biggest worrier for me, before watching this episode, was that it could build up faster then the body could metabolize it. disrupting certain parts of the brain. since at least 2003 i've been losing interest in stuff. it really ramped up about 2010. no i don't do most the stuff i used to do. i don't read, play video games, watch movies, etc. i have no desire to do those things. when i force myself to do that stuff i rarely enjoy it. when i do enjoy it i have no desire to keep going. after i quit i have no desire to return to it later

Meggan Grist

We found out I had an aspartame intolerance in the second grade as I was getting migraines... at 7. Aspartame is fuuuucked. I'm 25 now so it's shocking this is still allowed to be put in food. Go stevia!

Lady Dimitrescu's Chair

2y↑1

Video was amazing and well informed! The ending made me tensed haha
Keep it going Kiana! 💗

Anders Andersson

2y↑1

I love you for adding a sponsor chapter to the video so I didn't have to guess where the content starts. As much as I respect you want/need sponsors, as much I feel you respect me to be able to skip it! <3

yogamama18

Thank you for sharing this information and presenting it so well. People need to know about this.

Joe Duncan

2y↑1

Kiana, your channel is PHENOMENAL. Really, incredible stuff and I’ve been following for a year now. I love it. However, I must respectfully say that this video is off the mark. It’s anti-science and pseudoscientific. It’s not enough to say a study was funded by X group and leave it at that because it still doesn’t address the content of those studies which may be correct. By the logic that a sponsor automatically influences the work of a creator, your whole channel is suspect because you advertise. But that’s not quite true and we know it. Your usual vids are great, but please, please don’t go down this conspiratorial rabbit hole, attacking institutions for clicks. The world needs your sound advice desperately.

junejunejuniejune

2y↑1

wonderfully researched video. I did not know any of this, I only ever heard that aspartame was bad for your bones! I feel like you're prob the only one who has covered this topic, so thank you!

Tae Joon Kim

You are an incredible content creator. Your story inspires me.

DarkEvE

Just came across your channel recently. I love your content as someone who is getting back on the weightloss journey and is against the whole HAES movement or at least people who think you should encourage people who are overweight.

It is strange cause most channels I have come across with the same content also has some right-wing agenda tied to it, who usually imply it is tied to having a liberal ideology. Glad I found a channel that is not like that.