Up and Atom are an Australian melodic punk/pop-punk from Melbourne, Victori… Read Full Bio ↴Up and Atom are an Australian melodic punk/pop-punk from Melbourne, Victoria. The band formed in February of 2011, named after the catchphrase of a fictional comic book character, Radioactive Man, on the television show The Simpsons. The band consists of vocalist Emily San Pedro, guitarist Marcus Tantau, vocalist/guitarist Matt De Sousa, bassist Brad Nielsen (formerly of Epitomes) and drummer Michael Prpic-Davey. To date, the band have released two EPs - a self-titled one in February 2012, and Growing Pains in October 2012.

Day to Day
Up and Atom Lyrics

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"Get out here"the sign
was written by someone's
dirty letter
I found it two years ago.
Then I didn't notice it
(I didn't notice it)
There were many flowers
here and there,

I did not see it
I went in there,
I love at first sight there
Then I heard someone's
angry voice
I turned around
to find the pretty girl
She said to me
with angry face
"You get out here"
"You get out here"
The meeting was
a great shock to me
My life was changed happening
She was still very angry to me
I fell in love with her
It's my the best memories
When I lost my way,
I always remember it
The moment was
the best in my life

"Get out here"the sign
was written by someone's
dirty letter
I found it two years ago.
Then I didn't notice it
(I didn't notice it)
There were many flowers
here and there,
I did not see it
I went in there,
I love at first sight there
Then I heard someone's
angry voice
I turned around
to find the pretty girl
She said to me
with angry face
"You get out here"
"You get out here"
The meeting was
a great shock to me
My life was changed happening
She was still very angry to me
I fell in love with her
The meeting was
a great shock to me
My life was changed happening
She was still very angry to me
I fell in love with her
The meeting was
a great shock to me
My life was changed happening
She was still very angry to me
I fell in love with her
It's my the best memories
When I lost my way,
I always remember it

The moment was
the best in my life

Overall Meaning

The lyrics of "Day to Day" by Up and Atom describe a chance encounter that dramatically changes the singer's life. The opening line sets the scene with an intriguing detail - a sign with the words "Get out here" scrawled on it in someone's "dirty letter." The singer found the sign two years ago but didn't pay it any attention, nor did they notice the flowers around them at the time. When the singer enters a place where they "fell in love at first sight," they hear an angry voice behind them. It turns out to be a "pretty girl" who orders them to leave, telling them to "get out here." Despite her hostility, the singer is smitten and falls in love with her. This chance encounter was a "great shock" that changed the course of the singer's life.

The significance of the "dirty letter" on the sign and the presence of flowers in the scene are open to interpretation, but they lend a dreamlike quality to the setting. The mention of the sign and flowers being unnoticed aligns with the theme of how we often overlook or ignore significant things, only to realize their importance later. The pretty girl's anger towards the singer could also be interpreted as a test or a challenge for the singer to prove their worth. The singer's romantic interest in the girl, despite her initial hostility, could be seen as a trope within romantic comedies or dramas. Overall, these lyrics paint a vivid picture of a life-changing moment that the singer remembers fondly.

Line by Line Meaning

"Get out here"the sign
The sign said "Get out here"

was written by someone's
It was written by an unknown person

dirty letter
On a soiled piece of paper

I found it two years ago.
I discovered it twenty-four months prior

Then I didn't notice it
At the time, I failed to recognize its significance

(I didn't notice it)
I didn't pay attention to it

There were many flowers
Abundant flowers were in the area

here and there,
Scattered all around

I did not see it
I overlooked them

I went in there,
I entered the location

I love at first sight there
I fell in love with the place instantly

Then I heard someone's
Suddenly, a person's

angry voice
Vehemently angry tone

I turned around
I spun around

to find the pretty girl
And saw a beautiful woman

She said to me
She spoke to me

with angry face
Her expression seething with irritation

"You get out here"
"You need to leave this place."

The meeting was
This encounter was

a great shock to me
Extremely startling to me

My life was changed happening
This changed my life forever

She was still very angry to me
She remained furious with me

I fell in love with her
I fell in love with her there and then

It's my the best memories
This is my fondest memory

When I lost my way,
When I feel lost

I always remember it
I recall it

The moment was
This moment was

the best in my life
The greatest moment in my life

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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

Derek H.

That way of phrasing it still doesn't quite pinpoint the error.
Using your figures, a "100% increase" is 200%. A "50% decrease" is 50%.

If you take an average between 200% and 50%, that is... 125%.
You always appear to gain more from doubling than you would lose from halving.

The real problem is the coinflip implicitly changes two things:
1. The doubling/halving operation, and...
2. The starting value before you even perform that doubling/halving operation.

All comments from YouTube:

Luke Rieman

1y↑105

Haven't watched part 2 but here's my guess: This calculation isn't accounting for the contents of the other envelope. When you switch you are not just gaining a new envelope, you are also giving up the one you picked. And these envelopes aren't independent; they are of course linked. We've defined the amount of money in the envelope you're holding as x but x is not actually constant here because it can have two different values. You're either holding the smaller amount, call it y, or the larger amount, 2y. So the true possibilities are: you're holding y, so switching gives you double (2y) and sticking gives you y; you're holding 2y, so switching gives you half (y) and sticking gives you 2y. Add these up and switching has a 50% chance of giving 2y and a 50% chance of giving y, while sticking gives a 50% chance of giving y and a 50% chance of giving 2y. Hence they are equal outcomes.

demotics2005

Come to think of it, the thing to be concerned about in the video is

When I took the first envelope...
1. Did I give up the one I haven't picked yet
2. Or I essentially gave that up even without having picked it yet

Quite tricky but for me it is 2. Thus both have 50/50 chance as described in the comment

TheOrietNivig

Thank you. There’s hope for most of us.

demotics2005

1y↑2

@Kevin Kinder I also did lol!

Kevin Kinder

1y↑2

Well said. Taking a screenshot of this.

demotics2005

1y↑12

I wish I could add this to my favourites. But YouTube doesn't have "Save to favourite comments"

Lemon Party

1y↑105

Take two envelopes. Put $1 in one and $2 in the other. Pick one. Switch. Switch again. Keep switching. Each time you have 25% more money, on average. Gain infinite money. Retire.

drphosferrous

I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Joshua Perry

1y↑1

Was coming in here to say exactly this, nothing like bad maths presumptions. 😂

MoreAliveGamer

Lol

TheOrietNivig

1y↑2

Thank you for common sense.

sayaks

1y↑16

the two Xs you're adding together are different. if the two values are say $100 vs $200. then you would get x/2 from switching if x = 200, and 2x from switching if x = 100.

Tom Koziol

1y↑3

Let y be the amount in the other envelope. Either x=2y or y=2x. Therefore, either EV=0.75x or EV=1.5x respectively. But never does EV=1.25x in the finite cases. As some have deduced, the error seems to sneak in the cases of infinite, cardinal numbers and ignoring the finite cases.

Nism

1y↑5

But after you swap, the statement 'there's a 50% chance that the other envelope contains twice the amount as your envolpe, and a 50% chance that it contains half' is still true. So the same reasoning applies, and you should swap again. And so on...

Sime Said

Yes, that was my intuition too. This seems to be a fundamentally different issue to the Monty Hall Problem, but then if I didn't have fingers then I couldn't do maths, sooo..?

Nate Wright

1y↑3

Ok what if we repeated that process indefinitely? You are asked if you want to swap again and again and again... it's still a coin toss regardless of how many times you swap. Your expected value doesn't approach 2x as you swap more and more. It's either x or 2x.

DRSNova

1y↑1

I feel this is for people that know the Monty Hall problem and now "know" that switching is always better...
The monetary amount is just a pointless distraction. There is a right, and a wrong envelope, or if you like, a winning and a losing envelope.
In the first choice, you have a 0.5 chance of picking the winning envelope. Te opportunity to switch gives you the exact same choice, with a 0.5 chance to pick up the winning envelope.
So no, it does not matter if you switch.

fotnite

1y↑5

To me, the issue here is that X isn't a random variable, or at least, it's not the one you should be concerned with.

I would personally do this by comparing the conditional expected value of money you get given that you swap with the conditional expected value given that you don't. If we consider one envelope to have x dollars, and the other envelope to have 2x dollars, and which one is which is represented as a Bernouli random variable, then both of these expected values are 1.5x. So, it doesn't matter which one you do. That Bernouli random variable is the one that really matters here, since this seems to only consider the amount in the other envelope rather than the system of two envelopes as a whole.

drphosferrous

@fotnite yeah its either half or double the known quantity but its gone once it's known like a collapsed probability so the first free money quantity selected is as good as any other.

fotnite

1y↑1

@drphosferrous if X is random, 2X is also random. That's how random variables work. 2X isn't independent of X, sure, but random variables don't have to be independent.

By the way, my point was that it's not the one we should be concerned with because we were not given a distribution to describe it. If we had a distribution for X and a distribution for Y that was related to X in some way, where Y was the money in the other note, that would work and it would find what we're looking for. But that would be more work than just using a single Bernouli RV.

And you can't just assume it's "half whatever you got". It could also be double what you got. But you have to switch before you look inside, you don't know "whatever you got" until later.

drphosferrous

X is random 2x sorta isnt. If you never know the content of the unchosen envelop, you can assume it was half whatever you got.

Monkey D. Luffy

1y↑1

I really love this channel because it can give me information in the easiest way to understand.
Just wondering Jade, why did you put this in a YT shorts and added a " watch the part 2 " when you can upload with a reasonable amount of time length and your subscriber wouldn't even mind?????

You and Veritasium got the TikTok toxicity where everything is on part 2 even though you can literally upload hours of video in this platform.
I hope other educational channels like Smarter Everyday, Tom Scott, Vsauce, Steve Mould etc wouldn't get that toxicity in the future.
I'm gonna unsubscribe

Kevin Harlan

Haven't watched Part 2, but I spot a clear error. You shouldn't use the same variable x to represent the unknown quantity in the expressions 2x and x/2. The known value of x in the expression 2x is 1 (the other envelope contains $2x only in the case where your envelope contains $1), while the known value of x in the expression x/2 is 2 (the other envelope contains $x/2 only in the case where your envelope contains $2). The expected values of keeping your envelope and swapping both work out to $1.50. P.S.: I loooove Jade.

Paul McMaster

This is where being able to see auras would help! Or x-ray vision. Or if someone is presenting the envelope then seeing if they give any subconscious hint. Or even just believing we're in a simulation and tossing a coin to choose because it doesn't matter! 😄

Itsiwhatitsi

1y↑6

Your enthusiasm is always engaging 👍

Y

1y↑1

I wonder if the paradox can be due to the assumption of 50 / 50 probability in the second envelope.

Mika Hamari

Your expectation value is 0.5 * x + 0.5 * 2x = 1.5x. It doesn't change even if you change the envelope, because it is same for both. If there were 3 envelopes like in Classical Monty Hall problem, it would be different.

Novak Kavon

1y↑13

Im so broke i cant even imagine having two envelopes of money 😩

Josh Simpson

It doesn't have to be cash. If I were doing this I would have to use pennies 😂

thhndy

1y↑3

This just sounds like a really badly thought out Monty Hall problem

Silvanus

If we really have a 50% chance of halving or doubling our money, then we should definitely swap envelopes! This is not a strange result if you think about it — when you have an even chance of winning or losing, a fair gamble is double or nothing, so double or half has to be profitable!

However, the fallacy is that X in this example is not really an independent random variable; the monetary value of the smaller envelope will follow some distribution, and given that, for some values of X it will not be a 50-50 split between doubling or halving, because it will be more likely that X is the larger envelope. That will be enough for switching envelopes to have an expected value of 0.

HerrFinsternis

That seems like a gross abuse of math 😅 When one envelop contains X and the other 2X, that's not the same as "I have X and the other is either half or double X", because all Xs are not the same here.

Say X=50 and your envelop contains 100. The first situation where one is X and the other is 2X and you don't know what's what still exists. However since you have 100 and X is 50 the expression "the other envelop is either half or double X" is now entirely false.

Jeff Wang

1y↑1

Wouldn't it be 2X*1/2X=1? If not could you explain why?

Waldemar Kirszniok

All these experiments prove is that we're looking at solving probability issues wrong. The circumstances don't change. What changes is the perspective, or, put otherwise, the precise premise of the question. We can also say that if we switch we can either get a 100% increase or a 50% decrease. It's just another way of looking at it.

Derek H.

Brian Beswick

1y↑1

Yes. You always swap. It’s the Monty Hall problem.

Sarvesh Jewalikar

1y↑1

You have 50% probability of taking the envelope containing X and 50% probability of envelope containing X or X/2, so there is only 25% chance of envelope containing either 2X or X/2 but it can't be both at the same time. So provided this knowledge, it depends on the person whether they will swap or not and the logic you gave is completely flawed, why would you add the two values to know the expected value while it can only be either of the two?

As for me, I wouldn't swap because the probability of getting 2X is only 25% and would stick to the one I chose initially since the probability of getting X is 50%.

Sarvesh Jewalikar

@DRSNova If the probability for random pick of order of my choices and the probability of the envelopes is different and not the same thing, please tell me the original probabilities of both envelopes.

DRSNova

The probability to get the 2X envelope stays exactly the same, no matter if you swap 100 times or never. You are presented with the exact same choice every time - pick envelope A or pick envelope B. You're making the mistake of equating the probability for a random pick of your order of choices with the (final) probability for each envelope.

Skeltek

Self-sampling example. For some it's boringly easy, for most it's confusing.
There is a similar type of problem regarding a parent with two children, of which at least one is male. Then the question is how high the probability is of both children being male.
IQs below 100 answer 1/2, IQs 100-140 answer 1/3, while very high IQs answer 1/2... which corresponds to the different degrees of complexity one looks at the problem. The prolem is interesting by the self-sampling capability switches back the result from 1/3 to 1/2, which was initially set from 1/2 to 1/3 by acquiring the ability of listing all the possible contingencies in a naive way.

Aykin Cakaloz

You do realize there is no way to go to part 2, right ?

sirtra

I'm not sure "slight of hand" and "dishonesty" is considered to be a "paradox" Jade...

...now about that bridge you were selling for X

Mike Graham

It makes no difference. Same as "I have quarter in one of my hands - choose" Second guessing will not improve the odds.

louis davis

1y↑2

Made my night.

Simi

Isn't it inappropriate to define a a variable as X in two independent events?

Konstantin Kurlayev

Why switching envelopes if both envelopes have the same EV.

pingnick

1y↑1

It is weird to consider the theoretical viewers based upon view count that aren’t watching the sequel to this🤪

donepearce

I see what you did there. Sneaky Atom.

typelogin

if EV is (5/4)x then I would switch back and forth indefinitely!

fjdkfjdk

Any easy way to get to part2?

Denizen of the Ages

1y↑1

Ooh I love an atom-scratcher.

Ozichukwu Chikwendu

Just pick one. Chance of double = chance of single. EV = .5*2 + .5*1 = 1.5 = 50% more. Enjoy

Quantum Chemistry

this is so similar to quantum superposition

JDGlove

1y↑1

AND at the same time it is not

Jannes Planting

Easy, I keep switching to get infinite money

ceri lee

dont let them know your next move: I PICK THEM BOTH!

Анатолий Бронштейн

2x and x. One holds double the amount of the other, not quadruple. Where does x/2 come from? Also why are you calculating the expectation? It doesn't change because the probabilities don't change throughout the entirety of the experiment. My guess is you threw in a bit of meaningless math to confuse the experiment participant like all the hustlers do.

Roland Huettmann

The infrared radiation of the envelope with double the amount of money must be different, and also it's weight, obviously, is higher. If you can detect that difference forget about the math here.

David Gates

That doesn't cheque out.

YOUTUBE Is Great

If 100 in one
50 in the other

If I pick one then switch and open and uts 50...I SHOULDNT HAVE swapped

Vincent Poursan

Okay so maths can be dumb I guess?

Pete Venuti

There is something wrong with this universe

Melody

Its literally just 1/2x 2x. It doesn’t matter anyway, because THIS SITUATION WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. Its just a normal math term they tried to translate into a stupid surreal story to make it harder to understand.

Howard

Derren Brown taught me this

Fine Mouche

It's just show the limit of frequency statistics. I think Bayesian statistics ars more suitable here.

Jack Sadowski

2x and x
, not x/2

Automates Cellulaires

How is this a paradox ? Just an imprecision of language. "1 on two chances to contain half/double" doesn't mean much without some context on the distribution of possible values.

Ritvik Gupta

1y↑3

to a physics post grad this reasoning sounds totally stupid. in your way the net average amount is (2x + x)/2 = 3/2x. 5/4x is definately lesser than 3/2x, so just don't swap!

Tobi J

Damn 🍔😁

Melody

The issue here is the exact same as the issue with the monty hall problem. You onscure the actual math with the stupid story and deliberately leave details vague to make it even harder. This is not math, or a paradox, its just bad storytelling.

Nikolaki A

My mother-in-law used to watch Noel Edmunds deal or no deal.

It bored me so much.

Noah Booth

Don't need to see part 2, the problem is ill-formed from the start. There is no uniform distribution on the reals. You can't have an envelope that has an equal probability of having "any" amount of money.

Noah Narvaez

Go to part 2

Me: I don't think so

Dustin Fortsch

Yes. Always swap

Tyler Singleton

sounds like a jeuish financing scheme so I will pass completely.

Scientific Irfan

The paradox?😅 I didn't get it

Astromyxin

I wouldn't switch because I'm not greedy.

Dan Q

sike! both envelopes have ZERO DOLLARS

MEANINGLESS

What the hell is going on here ? 😵‍💫

Derek Trowbridge

I am amiable for experimentation if you come to Canada. :)

Bhavin Barot

1y↑1

Only if you get to do this hundreds of times, then this will hold good. Else it is just a 50:50 chance of getting more money.

fotnite

That's not really true. The sample size won't change the expected value.

If we consider the sample mean to be the random variable we care about, since the random variables in our sample are independent and identically distributed, the expected value of our sample mean is equal to the expected value of any one of the variables in our sample, and is thus unaffected by sample size. This property is pretty trivial to derive from the definition of the expected value.

So, if "it's 50:50" with one trial, as you put it, "it's 50:50" overall even if we do it 1000 times.

Jonathan L

Interesting. Care to elaborate? How does repeating "hundreds of times" change the probability and expected value?

reinhard tristan eugen

Hi Ma... ...hi up,
I'd do a 360, that is I'd stay on track without swapping... ...it is illusive to think you'd increase your chance for doubling your money, since you already made the choice, what sets the situation I'd guess... ...to swap thereupon without going through the mathematics now, I'd say diminishes your chances instead of increasing''em...

Am I right, Ma... .up?
by the way feel I safe because of the rope you've thrown to me for the last passages to climb,
Le p'tit Daniel

Ben

I'm only here to say youtube fucked up the algorithm and showed video 2 then 1.

I'm confused all the way down

J P S

1y↑1

Hello, Monty Hall.

Valdemar Ulf

1y↑2

That's not a paradox it's just bad maths.

JDGlove

I agree. And I made a similar comment. Paradoxes make interesting content and are one of Jade's specialties, but I suppose there are no true paradoxes, just errors and mind tricks. Pointing out ways to avoid errant thinking is valuable, and maybe calling it a paradox will attract viewers as opposed to a title like "Don't be tricked by bad use of math."

00comm

watch part 2 for the answer always makes me never watch that persons videos again.

Edward January

Logical ? Not cuz it just a fallacy,. Do you think that it same idea 💡 of Bertrand paradox which described by triangle 📐 probability,. We could, argues that data and information sometimes could mislead US . We could say that reality is how we describe it Not How it's at its nature,

David T

1y↑1

Eyebrow tell :)

Dave Zarate

I love you.

Nahom Merk

This is similar to the Monty Python problem...

Nahom Merk

*typo

Nahom Merk

Another type. *ones

Nahom Merk

@DRSNova lol, Monty Python is the comedy group! Imagine if they were the once who came up with the problem 😆

DRSNova

1y↑1

"Monty Hall", and no, it's not. It just looks that way.

JDGlove

lol. Yes! If you have x legs and x/2 arms and one is chopped off, does a number of "flesh wounds" ever become serious? neeh

Oscar Valverde

Beauty and brains 😍

Mihir Mehta

ohh the ever so lovely vsause music

Jeremy Rixon

The paradox comes from the assumption that the probability distribution is equal across all possible amounts of money inside the envelopes. I assume you'll explain that in part 2 so I won't spoil it here. BTW, I have that exact t-shirt!

Priyanshu Paswan

On average*

MoreAliveGamer

That is absolute bullshit.

Faris Durrani

1y↑2

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v4bSYiByMtI

Bernard Molan

Who cares?

Megawave79

T J

Almost all (or all) the topics discussed in this channel are copied from a couple of other channels with the similar idea of presenting random interesting concepts that relate to maths, physics, geometry etc. I would prefer to see something more original that haven't already been discussed on youtube before or that you would at least bring something new to the table.

But I like your style and would love to see this channel develop further! This is meant to be a constructive feedback, not an disapproval or insult of any kind.

JDGlove

Tall order. Jade gets my approval for quality. For example, I'd hate to miss her video about painting Gabriel's trumpet even though there are many other inferior examples on the internet.

Good point that originality is desirable and getting harder to find. I am sure Jade is 100% in agreement. As one who has watched her for years I know she is extremely conscientious and sincere. I'd bet anything that your comment stings a bit, but also motivates her.

There might be something about producing shorts that makes it even more challenging to add unique value to 60 seconds of content.

I've responded in the past to Jade's calls for new and interesting topics to cover and I know she'd just love specific ideas and would do the work to distill them into videos if she could add value.