can't you see
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Broken Heart
And If You Could See Me Fly
Do you wanna make
I wanna know

I love you baby
I'm hurtin' so
But oh if you could see me baby

And understand the things i've done

I know you can do that baby
And if you could see me fly
Do you need me
Come on let's go

I love ya baby
On the ceiling
The walls and the floor
But oh if you could see me baby

And understand the things i've done
I know you can do that baby
And if you could see me fly
Don't look at me like you can't stand

I'm in the mood
Talk loud
Take my money like a wanted bandit
I've had enough

Do you love me
I wanna know
I love you baby
I'm hurtin' so

Come on and love me
Come on all night
Come on here baby
Do it once again right

But oh if you could see me baby
And understand the things i've done
I know you can do that baby
And if you could

And if you could see me fly

Overall Meaning

The lyrics to M.V.M's song "Can't You See" convey the pain of a broken heart and the desire to be understood by the person they love. The singer is hurting and wants their love interest to see them and understand what they've done to cause this pain. They long to be loved and have the relationship restored, but also express frustration in the other person's apparent inability to understand them.

The repetition of "I love you baby" and "I'm hurtin' so" emphasizes the singer's feelings of love and pain, while the line "on the ceiling, the walls and the floor" suggests that these feelings consume every aspect of their being. The line "take my money like a wanted bandit" adds a sense of desperation to the lyrics, as if the singer is willing to do anything to win back the love of their life.

Overall, the song is a plea for understanding, love, and a second chance. The repeated phrase "if you could see me fly" may symbolize the idea of freedom and new beginnings that the singer hopes for in their relationship.

Line by Line Meaning

Broken Heart
My heart is broken and I am feeling hurt

And If You Could See Me Fly
If you could see me succeed or do well in life

Do you wanna make
Are you willing to make things better between us?

I wanna know
I am curious to find out

I love you baby
I have strong feelings of love for you

I'm hurtin' so
I am in a lot of pain

But oh if you could see me baby
If you could see how much I am struggling or how much I have accomplished

And understand the things i've done
If you could understand the reasons behind my actions

I know you can do that baby
I have faith in your ability to understand me

And if you could see me fly
If you could witness my success or achievement

Do you need me
Do you want me in your life?

Come on let's go
Let's make things better between us

On the ceiling
In every possible place

The walls and the floor
Everywhere around me

Don't look at me like you can't stand
Please don't give me a hateful look

I'm in the mood
I am feeling a certain way

Talk loud
Say what you mean and make sure I can hear you

Take my money like a wanted bandit
Spend my money as if you didn't care about me

I've had enough
I can't take it anymore

Do you love me
Are your feelings of love still there?

Come on and love me
Show me your love

Come on all night
Stay with me all night long

Come on here baby
Come closer to me

Do it once again right
Let's try to make things right again

Lyrics © O/B/O APRA AMCOS
Written by: HARRIOTT, WILSON

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Most interesting comments from YouTube:

@sugarp1e174

2y↑115

I was almost kicked from a server for not being a good enough Scout in their eyes. Which is funny since I only played Scout because they asked me to; I wanted to play Medic but they said no.

Anyway, I think my friend was there and he convinced them to keep me in but as a different class. Somebody else went Scout, I went Demo, and we won the last two waves of Mannworks easily.

On that note, even with the "not fulfilling your role" point in mind, I think it's important to mention that your Scout shouldn’t be the only one getting the cash. If you kill a robot and your Scout isn't there for whatever reason, pick it up yourself.

I remember having to deal with a Giant Heavy all by myself just to get the last bits of cash while the rest of my team was at spawn fighting off robots that didn’t even have the bomb on them. Then I get yelled at for missing hundreds of dollars and "pulling excuses" because, according to them, the map was empty.

Oh, so that Giant Heavy that turned me into Swiss cheese was all in my head then? Either way, after I died again, I queued up for a different game, went Scout again, and didn’t miss a single buck thanks to a team that actually got their priorities straight and didn’t expect Scout to do all of the money collecting.

TL;DR: Fulfilling your role isn't just about what class you’re playing. It's also about supporting the rest of your team so they can fulfill their own roles.

@tylerbreau4544

2y↑2

Yea the problem with MvM bootcamp last time I played it is that competency was lacking.

Eny who builds at last
3 Scouts team comp
Scouts that do not collect cash
No Upgrades, unable to comprehend that there is an upgrade station even with team mates who do their best to inform them
Bad in general people. This is more of a gray area but it does get annoying when you can't beat the easiest difficulties because you're down a player, 2 of other players can't pull a stick let alone their own weight, and the remaining 2 players are average Joes.

BTW there's nothing wrong with average Joes. Average joes are the casuals who can do something. They probably aren't going to carry but they can do something.

All comments from YouTube:

@glitchedsushi

2y↑3K

Once in two cities I was playing engineer and a couple of teammates taught me where to put the sentry middle combat and the best place for the dispenser, they were incredibly helpful and wholesome to play with

@dualswordsniper2313

2y↑74

a experienced mvm players sometimes do what they do best help new players i myself a new player on the tour and studied where to put the dispensers, sentries as well with body block giant robo scouts, i rarely play spy and sniper in mvm since i let the veterans what they do best and one thing is gas passer i used it for only uber medics and if the wave is to crowded if my team struggling to finish them

@Loibu

2y↑28

I was that new engie once, thankfully my team was good and told me good places to put stuff down

@waterenderman5603

2y↑3

Same, for me they were 300 tours

@Loibu

2y↑15

@Water Enderman you listened, so they were nice
high tours hate the people that don't listen

@romeo3771

That's cuz Ur a girl

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@yeta.

2y↑2K

I have only ever come across 1 person that didn't like someone using the Gas passer, it was the high tour demo queued with his Kritz medic that only healed him. He was getting out damaged and was not happy about it, tried to get our pyro kicked multiple times and eventually 4/6 waves in just straight up left, his medic parasite with him too.

We then had 2 people joined that said nothing, filled their roles and we won easily.

@fders938

2y↑309

"Medic parasite" lol

@miningchip1

2y↑172

medic girlfriend be like

@thelordpizzaman3461

2y↑42

I bet the demo was MADAM IM ADAM

@Yummerlicious

2y↑33

Tf2 dhar mann

@Real_RUBB3R

2y↑36

I feel like most people dislike it because it just makes certain things way too easy and other classes just don't get to actually do anything, or at least not much of anything. Though I definitely do enjoy when Pyros use it to take out Ubermeds, because as a Heavy player, I'm entirely unable to deal with them on my own. I just find it kind of disappointing personally when they just use it on a giant group of soldiers or something and I don't get to shoot a single one cause they're all dead in .2 picoseconds. Other than that, I don't usually mind it, and most of the time it's actually welcome in my books

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@jargon1373

2y↑662

I think the gas passer's "lack of skill" is actually important because it allows someone who would normally be "dead weight" on any other class to actually contribute to the team

@wah9928

1y↑47

I fully agree with this. But that is just bad game design.

@scrowfunk8109

1y↑32

Seems good at first but players who use gas never have actually end up learning how to play MvM.
I’ve seen some people with like 10+ tours have no idea what the fuck to do because someone else went gas pyro

@DanknDerpyGamer

1y↑5

@@scrowfunk8109 > *Seems good at first but players who use gas never have actually end up learning how to play MvM. *
What do you mean?

@scrowfunk8109

1y↑19

@Dank 'n Derpy Gamer people who use gas do "good enough" in mvm as to not be scrutinized for their poor game sense, mechanics upgrades etc.

@royalhistorian5109

@scrowfunk Laugh in Explosive Headshot

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@ZaccoOfficial

2y↑340

I once went through an entire MvM match with 0 voice chat communications, and 0 chat messages. We lost 0 gates, and there were no lost rounds. Just a straight shot to the finish line.

@friendofp.24

1y↑30

MvM is not hard, at all. If you have a competent engineer and uber medic killer, you're golden. I once beat a Rottenburg mission with 3 people, we only lost one round.

@tham3s24

1y↑5

@Friend of P. Need 3 competent teammates for an possible game in two-cities. Cuz some of noobs keep feeding giant black box sodiers and my single target dps done jack shit. I played as demoman for bursting damage but my medic doesn't have krit we are f*cked for the entire round.
I have to changed to heavy, told engi to shared his dispenser for frontline, and a couple of classes change. After that, me and medic carried the game singlehandedly with some assistance.

If your entire team know their job, it is a breeze. But if not, it will be quite challenging.

@underlife8858

50w↑3

That was actually what my first game of movm was like

@Okagemi

2y↑525

I have only ever been kicked out of an MvM game one time before. It was on a two cities tour, and a high tour got extremely upset over someone playing pyro (It was on Manhattan). He kept asking if the pyro saw any tanks. Now, to be fair, we didn't handle the situation in the most polite manner because we already saw the guy as extremely rude, but the entire rest of the party started joking around and going "Idk what you're talking about man. We all see the tank in the HUD." Regardless, the entire party was fine with having a pyro with us, but the high tour got so upset that he went out of his way to change his name and reconnect to the game and kept saying that he was going to afk until he got his items. Now, we weren't exactly the best players, but we were able to handle a few waves down a player. Eventually some people left because it became clear that we weren't gonna handle it the best. The high tour actually invited bot accounts to join in as spy and just sit in spawn. He then proceeded to votekick people since he had the numbers advantage. He sat there for a good 30 minutes minimum complaining about the fact that he wasn't going to play with a pyro instead of just going to a different game. Like, I can understand the frustration, but if the majority of the server is fine with it and you aren't, why not just leave and find a new game?

@waterenderman5603

2y↑86

They feel as though everybody should follow then and it's really sad, I left a game where everybody else left, leaving the taco bot to his devices. He didn't have push to talk and it was always active so the last word I heard was 'shit'

@bezel95

2y↑43

I don’t understand the tacobotter’s dislike of the gas passer just because it’s a good weapon and makes the waves slightly easier. If they don’t want the game to be too easy, why don’t they also hate engineers? Engies make missions way too easy: they provide infinite ammo, have a server side aimbot, can turn that aimbot into a 2,000 HP tank and the engie himself does almost nothing in the meanwhile.

@Okagemi

2y↑11

@James Colton I can kind of understand a little more after having frequented Wave 666. At some point, your goal isn't just to clear the missions anymore. It's the exact same thing over and over again, so challenging yourself to hit certain milestones using certain classes becomes more of a priority. For instance, I wanted to play spy, and a puro kept spamming gas, which quite literally meant that I was sitting there for 20-30 minutes doing absolutely nothing while the pyro farmed everything. There's no incentive to complete 666. As a result, I can honestly understand the hatred for the weapon (I still think removing someone from the game forcibly is wrong, but I definitely see where they're coming from). As for engineer, one could at least argue that engineers have a specific role to play in preventing something like a wave of scouts from just rushing the bomb. They can act as a fail-safe for a very specific situation, whereas the gas passer is never really ineffective, and extremely spammable.

@bloopy273

2y↑1

It's kinda stupid to poke the hornet's nest when you knew that it was going to explode and you don't even know a way to defend yourself from the stings. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's stupid.

@Okagemi

2y↑25

@Bloopy Nobody was really upset at the way that he acted. We all just found it incredibly entertaining. Not only that, but we weren't gonna stand for that unironic sort of behavior in the lobby, and we made that very clear. Ultimately, while it ended up a waste of time for us, it was even more of a waste of time and resources for him.

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@Phrv199217

1y↑111

About Point 4:

In Metro/Empire, we had a noob Engineer who flubbed on the first wave. But the high tour Soldier, in a very rare display of PURE CHILL calmy explained what items the Engineer has to pick and where the buildings serve their purpose best. The Engineer listened and we A+ the rest of the mission.

Moral: If a high tour calmly and civically explains how to perform optimally with the class picked, listen to him. His tour count lends legitimacy to his advice.

@Aaa-vp6ug

43w↑12

Now I want an SFM of that, but Soldier says it in Character.

@mr.jeffinizor2713

2y↑172

i remember my most toxic experience was with a 5 stack of high tours, i was maining demo at the time and was learning how to be good with it in mvm, i was actually doing a pretty good job but turns out, the high tours i met had a spreadsheet of minimum damage a class should do per wave and per siege of robots, i was 113 damage off of their "good" class for the 2nd to last siege of robots before the tour ended and i was kicked, i really hope those people never get another australium honestly

@windrider2190

51w↑18

Bruh, if you’re still clearing the waves at a relatively ok pace with minimum issues, then there shouldn’t be any problems. Judging someone by “how little contribution to overall damage” is dumb. I hope you found better games after.

@MemeSwag

49w↑3

I'm your 69th like.

@moribell1083

37w↑7

A spreadsheet? Lmaoooooo
They need to go outside 🥴

@BreadTeleporter1968

36w↑5

“Erm ACTUALLY you missed one pipe on a scout, I personally believe you will bring about the death of Mann co, f1 everyone!”

@vivelespatat2670

36w↑7

Minimum damage wtf ?
Medic players stop existing off the surface of the planet now

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@thetrick4025

2y↑79

I was once playing boot camp on expert waves and I came across a team that wanted to use the “meta” so I went along with it and picked heavy. When the wave with the tanks came ( we were on Mannworks) I decided I would go pyro and take on the tanks, I announced in chat that I was using the gas passer because I didn’t know what other pyro secondary’s where good at the time. I got no response in chat, no response over vc, just a vote kick that went through. And that is why I don’t play expert anymore.

@windrider2190

51w↑8

Wow, not even a response like “um, actually blah blah blah” or just a simple “no”? That’s rough man. Hope you had better tours after.

@theolympiyn8670

46w↑9

Never tells new players how to be good. Kicks them. Gets mad new players aren’t good.

@sugarp1e174

2y↑115

@jenwestendorf8098

2y↑10

God yes, and the whole teamwork thing is why I love MVM so much. Sure you can have a few people who don't really do their "JOB" properly, but if you know what you're doing it doesn't really matter, we're all here to have fun.

@Incognito4

20w↑1

The first line of sentence was me one day.

@numbersstationsarchive194

17w

That's the number one anxiety I have when playing Scout. Most players seem to have a very black and white image of what they're supposed to do - very noobish low tours will probably rush in to collect all the cash themselves because they don't know about Scout's overheal mechanic, most other players will never touch cash ever and just leave it there for Scout to pick up, even on early waves of Mannhattan, they'll leave cash at the entrance to the upper point. What the fuck do they expect me to do, run allllll the way around, to collect a little bit of cash that they could've just picked up themselves just as easily? Sometimes I intentionally ignore cash that's been left in a really stupid/inconvenient spot and let it despawn, just to spite my team for being idiots. Also it gets really fucking tiring having to explain all this to everyone in a lobby every time I play MvM, so screw them. Pick up your own damn cash, and I'll pick up the cash from the front lines.

@tanichi19

31w↑9

The first time I played mvm i got kicked twice from the same group of people, but i kept getting their lobby and one soldier finally convinced them to help me out and show me the ropes. We ended up winning too! Hope that Soldier is doing well out there

@tanichi19

31w↑2

Also forgot to mention, I was being kicked before the game even started. The team saw I had a Gibbus and was like, "nope kicked" lmaoo

@numbersstationsarchive194

17w

@@tanichi19 To be fair, that's what you get for wearing a gibus/goggles/merc badge, that isn't really exclusive to MvM.

@SantiagoHatchet

2y↑205

another reason for getting kicked would be "readying up too fast" because that's not giving time to others like engi, medic and demo to ready up buildings, ubers and traps... curiously enough I never got kicked from MvM, had a good teacher

@Real_RUBB3R

2y↑16

Very true, I've seen people get pissy because someone didn't unready and let our Engie set up. But usually that sort of thing can be reinforced into newer players by just telling them in chat, kicking people should never be the first option in my opinion.

@SantiagoHatchet

2y↑7

@Real_RUBB3R worst part is that some ppl completely ignores chat, even after 100 warnings :c which would lead to getting kicked

@Delfite

I've never gotten kicked either since I never play Mann up mode and players on boot camp tend to just dick around more often than not

@boltogen5416

2y↑1

I have only ever encountered the opposite. When people just spam F4 the second the wave ends and gives no one time to prepare

@lolickypeepee23xdd6

but like i mean even if everyone readies up except engi he still has loads of time to setup lol

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@shitpost_god

30w↑4

One time I joined a match and chose pyro, then immediately after I was getting vote kicked by another pyro for “griefing”. Fortunately my teammates didn’t kick me

@DustD.Reaper

2y↑854

Regarding the communication point, I noticed that just using the mercs own voices can be enough to bridge that language barrier since most people will probably play the game in a language they can understand, meaning they also will be able to understand the mercs voices...so even if you are the most unsocial person and dont want to interact with anyone at all, the least you can do is use the voice comands

@Loibu

2y↑187

Even if you're F2P, NOD YOUR HEAD, OTHER PLAYERS CAN SEE THAT
It looks stupid, but it works

@Ultra289

2y↑24

I honestly cant take seriously a player using the MEEEEDIC voicelines (even on casual) becuase they just spam that voiceline mostly when they dont need it
Just like the put dispenser here voiceline cuz uhuhuhuhu funi meme pootis huhuhuhu

So yeah, tf2 community in general cant be taken seriously

@DustD.Reaper

2y↑56

@Ultra the dispenser one could also just be someone trying to tell a new Engi where to put his dispencer...not that the Engi will undetdtand it...but there an attempt

@Ultra289

@Dust D. Reaper the dispensers are always in the same places speaking for valve maps only which are always ideal yet these individuals keep spamming the voicelines ,some even spam it too much for pretty much no reason, its just impossible to take tf2 community seriously

Even a noob knows where to spawn the dispensers even after retreat in all valve maps

@DustD.Reaper

2y↑20

@Ultra I meant that as in the team telling the Engi to not hog the dispenser for himself and putting it to where the team is

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@thorveim1174

2y↑11

Gotta love that its not "why you keep losing" but "why you keep getting kicked"... The biggest threat to mission completion isnt the robots, its other players!

@maras_cz

2y↑152

"You must play the quickest and DPS optimized way"
"noOoOOooOOoO!!! you can't use gas! It's way too easy!!!" crying wojack

@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit

2y↑6

when there is no demoman to take down the uber meds: okay then. enjoy losing, lads

@pyromancer1109

2y↑15

"he he funny gas go DING" laughs in chad

@elvenbuttress

2y↑5

Even when I’m running Demo in MVM, I’m always happy to see a gas passer pyro because there are situations where I don’t have time to set up a full sticky trap, but the Pyro lays down the gas, allowing one sticky to do so much more.

@Aaa-vp6ug

43w

@@elvenbuttressgaming7811Honestly, I hate it for trivialising so many situations.
It feels like pressing the skip button on your favourite bossfight sometimes.
But yeah, it is undeniably helpful, as much as I hate it

@elvenbuttress

43w↑5

@@Aaa-vp6ug And you are allowed to hate it! It does feel like it makes some things too easy. I completely understand.

@cabbagyboi9129

2y↑25

Surprising as it may sound I’ve never been kicked in MvM. But I did inadvertently get someone ELSE kicked. I was playing medic and our demo was apparently VIOLENTLY offended that I dared to give anyone but him krits, so after he learned he couldn’t bully me into it, he tried to get me vote kicked. It failed, then everyone kicked him to get the whining to stop, and I was the only one in the group that was good at medic

@MurdockCakeLie

2y↑165

I’ve been playing MvM with my friends for years and this is such a helpful guide. We genuinely hate kicking people, but we all have jobs we’ve gotta get to in the morning... failure due to someone doing these things causes us to not be able to finish our game in a timely manner. For us, the biggest win is when a “bad” player listens to our advice and becomes good or even great at a class - congratulating and being proud of that guy who autolocked spy at the start because he helped us win a game is super satisfying, but at some point, we’ve all gotta go to bed...

@theotv5522

2y↑5

Ikr, so many people in this community who never even play MvM just mindlessly flame high tours for rushing and being toxic for no reasons. They need to realise most MvM players aren't here to make friends, they're here for the loot. Anything delaying that goal with no significant outcome is basically a big F U automatically.

@stitchfinger7678

@Theo TV then start your own server you fucking gatekeepers jfc

@CoolDude-ts2hc

2y↑22

@Theo TV this is the most toxic high tour statement I've heard so far, lol

@IDontLikeHandIes

2y↑20

@Theo TV contradicted yourself

@thatonewelshguy6959

2y↑2

@CoolDude69 don't see how that's "toxic". it's definitely unfriendly but I hate how the toxic word gets thrown around so much

@gunnartheviking69

1y↑5

The idea that I'm not allowed to even try most of the game mode because some people want to turn MvM into paperwork instead of a video game is insane to me. If you so truly can't stand people not playing optimally then why not join some discord server with like minded people and load in with a full team rather than excluding anyone who doesn't just do what you tell them to?

@cocksneedfartin

2y↑366

I think that the final point is by far the most important. Even if you aren’t pulling your weight, even if you’re using bad strategies, just talking and listening to your teammates makes them like you 100% more

@cocksneedfartin

2y↑1

@Nuxx that’s not communication

@theotv5522

2y↑17

@Nuxx I'm sure if you spam mic you'll be hated in any games, not just MvM TF2 dude.

@tygonmaster

@Cocksneed Fartin how is talking and listening not communication?

@PlatoonGoon

2y↑3

Your name... is interesting.

@thomasmurrell9832

2y↑1

@tygonmaster I think they're responding to a guy that deleted his reply

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@predator5775

2y↑169

One time I joined an intermediate game on Decoy, just as the bomb was being delivered and we had to start over. Our team lacked an engy so used my standard widowmaker mvm loadout for the game. I was able to help my team get through the wave and even managed to top score.

However one of the players started vote kicking me with the rest following soon after. Before I left I asked why I was being kicked, to which no one answered. To this day I still can't understand why they did it.

@AnnaSue81

2y↑21

its a bug, once u vote, u cant change it. maybe the other teammates muscle memory to kickin bots in casual slipped in

@user-ry5jp7eb9x

2y↑50

I don’t think thats a bug

@MajorMasonGaming

2y↑6

Yiu were using the mini sentry werent you

@AnnaSue81

2y↑9

@Major Mason oh fuck me i just realised

@exi_m7074

2y↑12

If you had the Gunslinger, that might be why. Assuming you didn’t have the Gunslinger, I’m just as dumbfounded as you.

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@theotv5522

2y↑63

One caution I also want to warn newer players is immediately press tab and check the tour count on your team as soon as you join to find out who's knowledgable about the game and identify "threats"

First is simple, if they have more tours than you, they should know a thing or 2 more about MvM than you and you should listen.

The later is...well... When you feel like there's a bunch of high tours and they're party-ing up together, best go with the flow or leave. Because they have the power of majority, and if you tick them off they can easily kick you out. I've seen guys kicking people who they hate at the last second of the mission; so don't think you're invincible if you trash talk them and thought you've won.

Aside from all this, I'm glad there's someone who actually doesn't sugarcoat newbies and mindlessly blame high tours for everything. People often forget MvM is very different from casuals where you don't have 11 other people to carry you. If you suck, that's 1/6th of the pressure being needlessly pushed onto your team. Whereas in casual nobody cares if 1 out of 12 ppl died.

@electrisoma

2y↑22

I remember I was playing two cities once as scout, this was to collect money throw milk, and apply mini crits to all the giants, and maybe deal a bit of damage when there's no money to pick up. I chose to try to kill a sentry during the time where the robots are temporarily stunned due to capping a checkpoint, this was apparently a huge mistake. Someone on my team yelled at me to pick up a wad of cash that was 2 inches away from his feet because he saw me doing something other than picking up cash as scout (how dare I try to remove an obstacle that at the time was in it's easiest state to remove) this guy got so fucking mad that he switched off engie to play as scout (forcing the team to scramble to switch to an appropriate team comp) for the single purpose of out-scoring me, it didn't actually work (I still out-scored him). This guy also proceeded to explain that "sCoUt iSn'T MeAnt To DeaL DaMagE iN MvM!". I mean, I guess I'm to blame for not communicating to my team to tell them that there's a sentry, but did they really need to go out of their way to be an ass about it?

Other than events like this, tf2 MvM has been rather chill for me, most people are rather nice about teaching me how to play optimally. It's just rare events like this that make the high tour players seem like assholes to new players. This is the reason why I usually don't play scout.

@chilX3467

2y↑6

I hate people that judge you based on how many tours you’ve completed. You can still be good and experienced just by playing expert or advanced boot camp missions since all missions in tour of duty and boot camp are exactly the same. But some people would rather evaluate you based on how much money you waste on tour of duty tickets.

@emtee7138

41w

Yeah from what I can understand tours are how many times someone's played MvM or a certain thing to do with MvM (correct me if I'm wrong) and while yeah I can see why people think like that, just because someone has a bunch of tours doesn't mean that they're going to be incredible at the game, and same with low tours
(I assume, again correct me if wrong I know nothing about this mode)

@myrongaines6022

2y↑7

First time playing two cities I joined a game late and the only slot left was medic, everyone else had at least a few dozen tours. I told them straight up I had no idea what I was doing and me playing medic probably wouldn't be the best option, so they let me play heavy since he was obviously a much easier class. The group was super helpful and would give me callouts on where to stand and when to move, really helped inspire hope in MvM players.

@Talon323

2y↑831

I dont get kicked very often, but I do start vote kicks relativly often. And that is when some toxic ''good'' mvm players are trash talking to new players. Now, Im not saying you should just let the clueless pyro run in and die constantly, but you can teach without insulting people. Being polite goes a long way to improve the experience for the entire team, not just the new player.

@theotv5522

2y↑28

Yes, but 90% of those Pyros I've met either completely ignore us, pulls out a bible-length excuse as to why they only main Pyro, or call us elitists. And I only had 340-ish tours. Imagine someone else higher than that who have to put up with those kinds of people every tour they see, of course they're gonna have a very negative impression towards you, thus being toxic without even realising it.
It's called stigmatising. It's not healthy, but we humans aren't perfect either.

@lsdave42

2y↑8

Keep in mind: if you kick the toxic good players, the new players are often left with no one to carry them, and will fail repeatedly until they give up and quit. And in doing so, they can ruin the experience for those around them just as surely as any toxic player does. Is that really a better outcome than seeing them soaking up a few insults? Sometimes you just gotta let the "tough love" happen--the new players might be new to MvM, but they aren't new to the internet, or gaming, or the toxicity that comes with both. They always have the option of the mute button if they don't enjoy the abuse.

At the end of the day, you have to be careful, because you might be doing more harm than good by trying to punish toxicity.

@matheusvasiliauskassoares4361

2y↑68

I'd 100% prefer losing over and over because of a newblood than having to listen to some high tour dictator spewing thrash at people cuz he ain't getting his virtual numbers

@Underworlder5

2y↑24

@Matheus Vasiliauskas Soares agreed. even if you do well and know exactly what to do, i will still consider you a bad teammate if you spew bile at the team. even if they won, those teammates are going to leave the game with a sour impression because you yelled at them all the time

@tylerbreau4544

2y↑13

@lsdave42 There's a difference between being legitimately toxic and questioning another player's decisions (such as why are you scout and not picking cash? why are you building on last engineer? why do you not have upgrades?).

Trash talking is not valuable and is annoying. I don't care if you are good, screw off.

Though when it comes to verbal toxicity (Voice chat or text chat) i do lean towards using the mute features that TF2 has. Still I have no qualms about kicking the toxic guy.

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@grimgamer0527

2y↑13

You should make a video on why the engineer is necessary in mvm as I've met some people who disagree. I agree that he's needed because of teleporters, dispenser > ammo packs, and how busted the sentry can be.

@pikazilla6405

2y↑7

The archetypical beginner trap classes definitely have to be soldier and spy, pyro at least has a common function that even newer players understand, but the situations where soldier and spy are useful aren’t as common and are not the friendliest classes to just insta lock on round 1

@Toyota-me6iq

2y↑8

A few weeks ago, I actually got my first tour. At the moment I didn’t know the ticket breaks when you use it, so i was pretty mad. The one guy who helped with sentry and dispenser spots was amazing.

@michaelr2604

2y↑19

The only time I have kicked someone is when they were playing pyro on decoy and used their air blast to purposely sabotage the team by air blasting a normal robot from start to the bomb hole in all of ten seconds for two waves in a row. So being literally worse than nothing will get you kicked

@asuddenredfox3626

25w↑1

My first exposure to MvM was joining a group and getting kicked before I could even purchase an upgrade. This was within the first 8 seconds of me joining the group in question. I was never given a reason and I have no clue what they kicked me for to this day.

@amwitty_

2y↑489

I've only played MvM twice, and I enjoyed both games. My team had some experience, but they seemed fairly new as well. We never talked, we failed a few rounds multiple times, but we stayed together and pulled through. Beforehand I had never watched or read a guide, I was going in pretty blind, but I figured out what upgrades are good and it seems to have lined up with what competent players use (medic and soldier being my favorite classes helps though). There could be a lot of improvements in game to teach new players what to do, but having aspirations to improve and a team that gives time to figure it out, it's intuitive enough for any competent person to teach themselves

@asomeboiyt1222

2y↑9

hey your the guy who traded me, no way

@cat3584

2y↑4

Doing is the best learning

@el-yerba-buena9678

2y↑1

Same, but I used engie and discovered by myself that buying Dispenser Range was a good idea well I did bougth Disposable Sentry but I was using the Frontier Justice and dealt a lot of damage and helped the Heavy that had less experience. Yeah that was my first and only time I played MVM and enjoyed it, everything is better from the first time I guess.

@Underworlder5

2y↑1

@Click this channel for hot [redacted] #2 i doubt the gatekeepers will ever listen

@tylerbreau4544

2y↑2

@zoomspilo6798

2y↑9

I've actually never been kicked after 50+ tours, but most the kicks I have seen are for these reasons. Great video!

@Majima_Nowhere

2y↑2

Same here, I'm around 30ish tours and haven't been kicked. The main rule of thumb is "Don't be an idiot. If you are an idiot, listen to what people ask you to do."

I've seen 0-tours go from YER spy to top-damaging demo in one game, all because of a little communication.

@selectivystupid.1030

2y↑4

Y'know I ran into the strangest group. They were a mix of sweaty taco bot stereotypes but also actually willingly nice enough to teach me how to play MVM to a someone decent degree.

@zenithstudio6819

20w↑1

Shout out to high tours who teach low tours the best way to play instead of kicking and making mvm worse then it already is, definitely one of my favorite genders.

@DEWILL

2y↑82

Actually haven't thought about being a new player who accidentally ticked the join mid-game box. Nice thing to take a note of.

@Loibu

2y↑1

hi dewill

@ForeverSeige

2y↑30

The few times people had attempted to kick me in MvM, it was always those last wave kickers to stop me from getting rewards guys. I usually play Engineer because I find that class fun but over the many years (I have been playing since 2007) have found baby sitting a level 3 sentry gun in MvM not the most fun way to play.

Instead, I find gunslinger with two minis and turning my pistol into a minigun through the upgrades (trust me its insane and super fun). I usually do very well but just using this loadout tends to get people in a tizzy. However, here comes the beauty. I almost always queue with a team of 3 or 4 friends in total so when some dude tries to boot one of us on the last way, they get booted instead. So in reality, I have never been kicked in MvM thanks to always holding majority sway over the votes.

@mishagaming1075

1y↑1

i actually reccomend switching off the gunslinger, the level 3 sentry can be replaced with an instant level up canteen, and it can be instantly built during intermission. Plus level 3 generally has more health, damage, and is more effective overall.

@Quickstein

1y↑2

I love democracy

@megamimikyu0720

instead of upgrading the pistol, have you tried widowmaker, firing speed, and max metal capacity? you need to get up close, and will probably need tank and mobility upgrades for it to work great on giants and large waves, but you legitimately tank shred as fast or faster than phlog pyros.

@ForeverSeige

1y↑1

@megamimikyu07 Yeah, I just don't find it is as stupid fun as the pistol minigun strat. Something about firing an a dozen shots a second out of a handgun is just really appealing to me in TF2.

@shadrawdragon6560

2y↑247

So you're the wee lad bringing all these fresh new faces into MvM, huh?

Keep it up, always great to have new blood joining the gambling addiction that is two cities

@AnnaSue81

2y↑16

the slowest slot machine renamed as two cities, glad i dont play t.o.d. mvm

@Real_RUBB3R

2y↑1

I played it a bit in the past but recently got really into it, mostly just cause I really enjoy it a lot, playing Heavy with Brass Beast is super fun so I've fully decked out one with strange parts and a pro killstreak kit as well, whole thing probably cost me $40CAD, more or less. And funnily enough I mostly play Boot Camp, because usually I don't have the money to buy tickets. Recently though, I finished my first Mecha Engine tour. I got an Australium Wrench and sold it to get $92CAD back roughly. Used most of the money from it to get my decked out Brass Beast that I have now, as well as a couple cosmetics and a few MvM Tickets. Planning on doing more of Mecha Engine because I want to get an Australium Tomislav or Minigun one day, or get a different Australium and possibly sell it to buy more tickets.

@AnnaSue81

2y↑1

@Real_RUBB3R mecha is not profit frenly, but i guess u already knew. i never played mannup and most likely will never much of it. it aint fun being a meta™ slave.

@ChrisHinners008

2y↑1

Wait, people DONT play Russian roulette flip the coin on the kick screen?

@begining9807

ok, i dunno who to ask, but why do i see soilders using beggars' in mvm specifically?

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@Dovah_Slayer

1y↑2

Easiest way to avoid getting vote kicked just play with friends (I'm always scared of getting kicked even when I'm doing my best and knowing that there are chill mvm players though it seems like there are less and less chill high tours as time goes on)

@dyingniglet

2y↑7

I played MvM for most of my early days, because I was under the impression that everyone in Casual was a god at the game and I was too scared to try to fight them, but I haven't been kicked from it once. Though that might be because I have only played Easy and Intermediate games consistently.

@cutercills9x9productions9

2y↑2

One annoying time that happened often was when all my teammates were focusing on killing the tank. As a result, I was left alone to fend off the bomb carriers. When the tank was finally destroyed, the robots had reached the hatch. We obviously lost. At least one of them could have helped me. I normally only go after tanks when there are either no more robots entering or half the team is focused on the robots.

@thepyroUwU

1y↑2

gas passer is insanely op in mvm, it's pretty much just a better grenade launcher

@EdgedPixie

2y↑15

I was pushed onto heavy, despite not wanting to play it. You know, fairs. We need what we need, I get that. But when I started using kb-rage to pin giants down, someone called me out on it. We were in the middle of the wave so I didn't see the messages at first, and when we cleared they asked if I was deaf. They demanded I get rid of that upgrade entirely, I asked why because I didn't get what was happening, and they kicked me for that. In hindsight I was probably being unintentionally annoying on damage falloff and for our sniper, but... I dunno. Still stings.

@mishagaming1075

Fun fact, if you have knockback rage, YOU SHOOT SLOWER.

@samueltm7508

47w

@@mishagaming1075 yeah, kb rage should be used only if the giants are advancing too far or if you're near a death trap with a giant. don't use it too much.

@LiveByMyWill

2y↑87

I always loved TF2 growing up and I'm glad there is a community to help out players from the bot crisis. Hopefully with time Valve will see that the game is still loved and will do something with it.
Till now, thanks for the videos for MVM, a game mode I love putting hours in with groups!

@Ultra289

Well, tf2 still has 50k/100k players average and it increases when Halloween ,summer or smissmas drops a case so not rly a growing up process
And casual is still way more played than mvm since mvm release which is a shame but well...

@thegamingkirby8696

2y↑4

Haven't played MvM in a long time but every game I have gone through have been all chill, no one complained about the gas passer, everyone does their job and mistakes can happen, but we often take it as a laugh, it's a game.

@mm3shadowman982

lucky you, I always get stuck in five stacks with high tours that I so desperately want to dox

@1atem

2y↑42

Valve has done a terrible job to make mvm newbie friendly and when people like me who have been playing the mode since besically came out try to give advice we get shitted on for being a 'toxic high tour tryhard'

@magikerN

33w

Never played TF2 so I’ve never been kicked in matchmaking, casual or MvM! What an achievement in my mind

@Jokerman9540

21w

I once met some TF2 vets in a match of boot camp, they hadn’t played the game for years (one of them even having the Proof of Purchase, Cheater’s Lament and both of them were wearing Soldier of Fortunes) while I don’t play MVM that much, it was really fun teaching them all the tips and tricks I’d learnt over the years such as baiting sentry busters and not putting more than one upgrade into the mini gun rage upgrade. While we didn’t always F4 immediately, we just goofed off a little between waves, with me and my other 3 teammates showing off our cosmetics and taunts. I’m all honesty, they were really nice, I hope to meet them again someday

@Baumschleiche

48w↑1

I was on a Two Cities tour when I joined a high tour server and I usually play Medic because I am not so confident in playing other classes but there was already a Medic, so I chose Heavy. I was a bit too close to the dispenser and the Engineer reminded me that it has already its maximum range but the way he said it was very unfriendly and sounded annoyed even though the dispenser hasn't got damaged in any way. I felt bad because he was annoyed from my actions, so I instantly moved away. Then someone said that I had to go down (I wasn't on the upper side but I followed their instructions, so I went closer to the normal spawn (down the ramp, I was behind the metal fence) because they were Pros and I wanted them to have fun together with me.) So I did my job, better than the other high tour Heavy who stood afk behind the Medic the whole time. I only went to the dispenser when no enemies came to do the Engineer a favor. The Medic didn't heal me, I had to go back to the dispenser or even die. But as the Medic was on very low health, I put out my Sandvich and gave it to him to save his life because Medic is a holy class and even though he hasn't healed me, I had to save him.
Nobody said anything. Not in vc, not in chat. On the last wave, I got votekicked by the Engineer with 4/5 votes. Turns out that at least 3 are in a group playing MvM (because the Engineer was friends with the Medic and the Demo in this round). It also turns out that the greater percentage of the comments on their profiles say that they votekick low tourers only because of that. They don't want to teach them, they just want to see them suffer.
I know it can be pain if someone is new and delays extremely the game (I didn't, tbh. I was just there, as I said, dealing more damage than the other Heavy) but someday, when I become a high tourer, I won't votekick every low tourer only because it's fun. I will teach them or, if they refuse to get tips, mostly leave. I would only votekick if they get very toxic.

Anyways, I hope they will never ever get a Golden Pan.

@endruv_2287

2y↑43

One of the most important moments in my TF2 career was when I almost got kicked for using Tomislav. I swapped to stock and then stock became my go to weapon for everything, becoming one of my favorite weapons in the game.

@Underworlder5

2y↑14

brass beast is the best minigun for MVM. its strength of more damage is invaluable in a gamemode filled with damage sponges, and the weaknesses matter little when you stay anchored in one spot anyway. if you can handle stock better, that will still be the best choice, but brass beast has always been my go to weapon

@jenwestendorf8098

2y↑4

@very mad guy Honestly the whole Stock Vs Brass Beast honestly depends on the map.
If the map has plenty of chokes, use BB.
But if the map is wide open, use stock, the slow down of the BB can seriously hurt you on more open maps.

@drunkdrag0n

2y↑2

The simultaneously best and worst game I had was during Ghost Town, where this one Prick decided he didn't like me because I was running Scout with Scattergun and not Soda Popper. He tried to kick me at least 3 times, with everyone else voting no, and him screaming abuse in the microphone after each time. Eventually we got so pissed off with him we just let the robots past and cap, then kicked him. The next person who joined chose the same class, asked me why I run Scattergun and I said "I prefer the bigger clip size." and he went "Cool, I see that." and we went onto win that game, with me missing only 35 credits in total.

@netherresonant5594

2y↑3

I’ve actually been accused of being a tacobot accomplice or whatever before for kicking people, so that one little snippet really hit home for me. I don’t like to call votes as long as we’re winning, save for a few select scenarios. Intentional griefing, being an excessive twat, and being a cheater or supporter above all else. Other than that, I could kinda care less about the game usually.

@maceofspades9355

2y↑3

I haven't been kicked yet and it's thanks to videos like this teaching me the basics of the game. Also a few chill high tours lending me some advice. And I return the favor to any new players.

@ZionSairin

2y↑4

I’ve only played free server MvM and it’s kinda always been a Wild West experience for me. People didn’t mind me playing my sniper (I’m awful at aiming, I really could it be worse) and eventually I just gravitated back toward my safety pick of Medic because I just like playing supportive classes in any online game.

@jenwestendorf8098

2y↑2

Boot Camp is like the Floridia of TF2 Servers

@anerdishere420

1y↑2

Luckily I played a lot of boot camp before man-up so I had hundreds of hours of MVM experience before I jumped into man-up, but I did get kicked once and it was because I was playing heavy (normally play engi or scout) and our engi would always plays his dispenser passively even with spending a lot of money on ammo I got kicked for not shooting the bots and before I could say I had no ammo I got kicked... F U N

@lysergicd8574

2y↑19

I have over 200 tours which is nowhere near as much as some people but the whole thing about how if you try to give advice as a high tour youre automatically toxic is so fucking true. The other day I joined a game in progress at wave 3 and just suggested to the heavy to stay away from the dispenser cause he kept getting it killed and immediately had 2 people throwing a fit the rest of the game that I was being toxic. I was playing as scout and last wave came on Metro and I decided to switch to spy for the last wave and had a 16 tour medic rip into me calling me a dumbass and saying he paid to be in this game and I was ruining even though we were steamrolling every wave and had no problem completing.

@maude7420

True
Which I why I just don't say anything unless it's hilariously obvious

@Mystic-Midnight

1y↑2

It is generally a case to case thing, I'm at 20 something tours and the last few missions I did all had a complete asshole. One engi kept blowing me up with buster and I was fine with it the first times then said hey dude could you please not pop buster on me and that's when they got toxic. Another dude tried to kick me when I missed $45 as scout because the entire team died and I was left with a whole wave agroed on me. Also ran into a heavy who'd knock back rage sentry busters into my sentry and they had 150 tours :(

Everyone else I usually run into is nice and I don't even speak during the game other than "Howdy" at the start

@tylerbreau4544

2y↑8

The 2 biggest headaches I remember from when I lasted play TF2 bootcamp is..

Eny who builds at last
No upgrades, unable to learn about upgrades.

Bootcamp was such a mess. Easiest difficulties regularly could not be completed because not enough people had a good enough clue of what they are doing.

@dumbleking5172

Agreed. That actually forced me to move on from easy even though I'm not confident in my skills in hopes of finding more experienced players while praying that I won't find those toxic ones.
Though what problems I faced wasn't as bad, like the engi not building in a way that watches over the bots path, turtling and some other trivial problems.

@adamp.766

i mainly play bootcamp cus atlest in bootcamp people wont loose thier shit when you make one mistake

@77Zenin77

37w

Honestly, I never got kicked from MvM. And that's maybe because I started playing MvM after watching your videos so I knew exactly what to do, where to position myself, what ungrades to pick etc.

@Zug_

26w

On my first tour of two cities, i picked soldier with the default rocket, And had a high tour medic giving me hell for not using the begger. Once i switched to it he kept giving me advice and we ended up winning the game. Goes to show how being teachable helps.

@arb1ter993

1y↑2

Now. I actually don't know why I was kicked on this one but I have maybe a couple theories. On expert mvm coaltown I was in a mostly silent team and when we got to the last wave we failed. I was playing sniper and had outdamaged everyone on the team but I had missed a few medics because I'm not omniscient or a cheater and that ended up with us losing the wave. When we were recuperating and I was talking how we could do better next wave a vote kick comes up for me and I'm just confused as 4 of the silent guys kick me with no reason stated as to why.

@kalandillon8320

2y↑1

As someone who still haven’t gotten a thing for the one that gets you rewards, I am very thankful that boot camp is much more forgiving when it comes to these things. For example I went into a boot camp game with randoms, our sniper went huntsman, and nobody complained. Nobody was mad I went Natasha, and our engineer was turtling up high. ( note: this was on Manhattan ) yet we all learn better and still had a lot of fun. Plus somehow they only got to the first gate ( even though it was advanced and never got all the money even once despite having a scout who knew what he was doing )

@quenquent95

2y↑48

Refreshing to see a MvM video that isn't going full on "Muh high tours bad". I would personally add Mr. Underscore's MvM videos to the list of guides to look at. Dude do deserve more spotlight on his channel.

@tygonmaster

2y↑11

So many videos out there say that high tours are bad because a lot of times it's often true. Especially if they're Tacobot dickweeds.

@willropa4226

47w↑1

Seeing this makes you really appreciate that some games don't have a vote to kick system. I remember being in a Destiny 2 Legendary Dares game with 3 randos, and one of them would definitely be the guy to call a vote kick in a heartbeat if you didn't follow his instructions to the letter, in the end he yelled at us for not attacking an invincible boss with him (Zydron), using suboptimal weapons (We're 3 random people from the world), and that he could've done the match better singlehandedly (Alright, wise guy, put your money where your mouth is while I bail from the match, hope you other two randos follow me out the door). All I can say from this experience is this,
Number 11: Don't force your way of playing on others.
People will be people; they have their own brands of fun. While I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to show them a better way to do something, don't force your opinion on them by shouting or berating them, because then you're the @$$ in this situation. Instead, just politely show them the way, show why your method might be better than theirs. One of 3 things happen, they listen, they don't, or they yell at you to f@ck off, the reactions are in order of yay, oh well, and vote kick respectively.

@boots911

2y↑1

haven't played tf2 mvm in around 4 years. i'm suprised these vids are popular and showing up on my suggested. MVM is so fun that if someone created a whole game with a similar feel I think it would be popular.

@kamitsuki.6127

1y↑1

I don't necessarily think that communication is a problem in MvM. I usually really hate to talk to people because I really dislike social interactions (unironically) so I always play full mute, instead either communicating by the commands or just by the taunts as a way to have fun.
I have never been kicked neither have I been yelled at to talk.

@leonel392

Man, the communication itself it's not the problem, but if your team says "please do not get close to the dispenser" and you ignore it, that causes trouble. Rather than lack of communication is lack of coordination

@KeroTheInvincible

2y↑2

Offering advice to new players is indeed a good thing, as long as it's clear, and hopefully phrased as politely as possible to avoid sounding condescending.

However, you do need a certain amount of patience with new players, since a complete newbie may be willing to learn, but not necessarily quick on the uptake. Also, making sure your advice is actually HELPFUL shouldn't need saying.......but sometimes it does.

As a new player in single digit tours, I was playing some intermediate missions on Mannhattan, and didn't have a full grasp on proper protocol. Which is to say, I was shooting rockets at the Giant Medic. Nowadays, I know that damaging the Medic causes them to uber, which will cause problems for everyone else. However, the "advice" another player gave me was, "Uh Soldier, can you stop being RETARDED please?" Incredibly informative, very helpful. Almost as helpful as actually being told what I was doing wrong so that I could correct it.

@oldhunterdempsey1006

35w↑1

As a Medic Main, I've often had people not so nicely asking me to use the Kritz over the Quick Fix (Fortunately it doesn't happen that often anymore, if at all since I'm good at playing Quick Fix Medic.) Bur I've never been kicked over it.
The reason why I prefer the Quick Fix is because it allows me to keep my teammates up and dealing damage, as well as keeping them safe with the shield. Of course, my surviveability and how well I do is kinda dependant on how well everyone else is doing.

@xavibun

2y↑19

Thank you for talking about the people who absolutely refuse to take good-fatih advice, man those people are absolute assholes in any game.

@thebamboozler3383

2y↑2

Will you ever cover the mvm weapon tier list for the support classes? I feel like I know what the best ones are but I just like hearing your opinion.

@JerryBumblenuts

2y↑1

I've been meaning to play MVM seriously for a while now, with the main thing holding me back being the toxicity that can be found in its community. But these videos won me over, it's time to use those tour of duty tickets that have been sitting in my inventory forever.

@JackSpadeVT

23w

I started playing MvM recently and got kicked in my first game because they "wanted easier bots" (this is the easiest difficulty of tours btw)

Also I've used the Gas Passer in games because I saw how good it was for someone else and I'll probably do it again

@patrickbrawlhallabyrne3332

2y↑2

I just finished my first tour i have been playing engie but i was putting my dispensers in undesirable locations because i didnt really know any better but my teammates helped me to learn where to put them 😁

@Slimeball03

1y↑1

I recall that when I was playing my first tour that I couldn't ready up because fn lock was off by default, I didnt know at the time that you were meant to either turn on fn lock or tap f4 while holding fn lock, but luckily my teammates explained that rather then being douchebags about it

@A_Pair_Of_Glasses

2y↑13

Keep making these awesome videos man I'm getting really invested into MVM because of you and now I have a new way to have fun in TF2
Love the work man 👍

@dee0175

1y↑2

i was doing my first tour on twin cities and got kicked because i missed a couple dollars now i wont lie i did miss a bit but the dude who kicked me said that "we are grinding if youre just bad get better" and votekicked me, and idk what he was expecting a first tour to do, I tried to pick up as much cash as possible, but i guess that dude really hated that i wasnt perfectly picking up cash the way he wanted to

@Corvolet5

2y↑1

As someone who started playing MvM back in 2014 (along with joining TF2 in the exact same year), and is also far from being an active let alone GOOD player, I almost never saw myself being kicked in this specific gamemode unless I genuinely provoked it. I actually am guilty of messing around once or twice, doing the Conga mid-game or airblasting the bomb carrier towards the hatch.

BUT! I quickly adapted to the fact that this gamemode is equally if not more communication and team based than the average game of Dustbowl. Lacking skills I tried to find out strategies and read on the internet what the best loadouts are to successfully beat a wave. Even if I was one of the worse players in a game and I died a few times, my team was surprisingly okay with that. In a way that gave me the confidence to try harder and get the job done more effectively. Even if I don't play TF2 as much anymore as I used to, I love getting back to a good and fun game of Village Vanguard 😄

@Kruppuchino

I haven't been kicked yet but there was already a kickvote put on me because i wanted to balance when we already had a medic. If you survive the wave then feel free to give criticism so newbies like me can get better and learn from past mistakes instead of kicking us and callong us toxic when we literally don't know what we're doing.

You don't have to babysit but give players a chance first before calling a kickvote and having them suck for other teams

@airagog

2y↑3

Hey Weezy, enjoy the videos but think you should look at the airstrike again. Try using the airstrike without the base jumper. You can easily infinite rocket jump on top of tanks or large bots anyway. Try using it with Concherer. You get so much utility for your team and such great burst damage. I tried it after being a beggar's believer and damn.

@gunshipgod9833

36w

As an expert mvm player with 17 entire minutes under my belt, I think everyone should run gaspasser all the time in every situation no matter what.

@woop6727

2y↑9

wonderful vid, its nice to see some mvm content that isnt just whining about high tours for being bad at the game

@ioncavegrandma9256

2y↑2

God. Your content is so good. The editing is just hilarious. Thanks for this

@Sythll

recently started playing mvm and my first two cities tour was actually really chill. It might be Australian servers in general but most high tours where really chill and so helpful to me learning meta strats.

@evandurham8908

1y↑1

This video reminds me of the guy who taught me during my first MvM mission ever. Two CIties, Bavarian Botbash. For the first long while I was just sitting my sentry near the hatch and wrangling like a maniac, my dispenser 3 feet from my ass. He taught me where to place dispenser and sentry for much better functionality, and generally how to not suck as Engineer.

@Kaledrone

2y↑2

I've played MVM around 40 times or something like that for now (dont play it much) and never been kicked so far, but then again I am a heavy main and I feel like we are respected more in MVM.

@tugrakartal7973

number 11:place your sentry as a backup just in case robots manage to push your team to the spawn

@theherolost0237

2y↑25

I'm coming up on 40 tours and i've only been kicked once and it was for not participating in all engineer on two cities.
Didnt miss out on much.

@kittymyths1208

Nice video, but you really should do an MvM weapon tier list for Medic, Sniper and Spy. It would be a shame to leave them out

@toxic_shr00m

2y↑1

I've never been kicked, and I've only ever seen a votekick happen once while playing MvM (our soldier was trying to kick our engineer)

@tomaszwojciula

2y↑1

A few days ago I was playing MvM operation Two Cities with my friend. In the middle of the first wave (which, I admit, didn't go as smoothly as it could have), a player joined the game. You know, the child with their mic constantly on? Yeah, this kind of a player. After finishing the first wave, to which he didn't contribute much to, he said (in a voice literally dripping with sarcasm) "Congratulations, you managed to beat the first wave". Somebody in our team called a votekick literal seconds after that, and I don't think I have to tell you its results.

@jaydeedoan5691

I played my first game of Mann Up today and everyone was really helpful, I got lucky. They gave me weapon suggestions, positioning help, told me some good upgrades, and we won! :D

@acuteavocado1962

1y↑1

ive played a fair bit of mvm and i gotta say the "high tours wanna help the low tours because they dont want to wait for someone else" is totally false from my own experiences. it is ALWAYS a silent immediate votekick upon seeing something they dont like. ive watched so many people get kicked without a single word in the chat

@Flpstrike

2y↑9

On my opinion, the Shortstop's alt fire is perfect for pushing robots that are almost setting up the bomb

@tugazu

Aight

@nuxx1876

2y↑2

thats why i love to use it

@koboldcatgirl

35w

It's funny--back when I played MvM, I usually played Medic. I exclusively used Blutsauger/Quick Fix (I was bad with the crossbow and always wanted to spread my heals out), and never grabbed a shield (I was intimidated by the unfamiliar mechanic). When I played Scout, I never took the Mad Milk, because I didn't have it. And you know what? I don't know that I ever got kicked. I don't think I ever switched when asked, and I did get yelled at sometimes, but people weren't usually that toxic, and some people just recognized what I brought to the table and adjusted their gameplay. I don't know if the community is still like that, but I hope it is. In retrospect, my experience may have been a rarity.

I'm not saying it's out of line to kick people who aren't playing "the meta", but it is definitely not the kind of interaction that leads to a healthy, friendly community when it's the default reaction. I know a lot of seasoned MvM players play it specifically for the gambling aspect, but a lot of newbie MvM players play it solely as a TF2 gamemode to have fun in, and I think it's always important to remember that.

(Also, nowadays I would generally switch if asked nicely. I was mostly just shy and anxious to try weapons I didn't know in a gamemode I was new to.)

@SCI-FIGaming

36w↑1

I've been kicked from a few MVM games in the past due to my own temper, I admit ( older now so a lot more chill ) but one match in two cities still sticks with me. We were doing well, I was playing demoman. I was 30 tours in so had experience with the role, we got to wave 5 of either Empire or Metro. And a vote kick was called on me. Was confused as I did my role in taking care of Uber medics, not been a dick and generally not dying very often. When I asked why before the kick was called I got one reply "bad player" It frustrating to say the least.

@Chicken_does_nothing

26w

I was nearly kicked in OIL SPILL because I was playing scout and not collecting money, and acting like I knew all the strategies. Lesson learned from that.

Edit: after I posted this I remembered that I left afterwards because after we beat a wave I just left bc half of my team was being toxic as shit

@OnyxJade

1y↑1

I got kicked for the first time yesterday for going pyro, then switching to demo cause they hated pyro, then refusing to switch to soldier(didn't feel like it) when they said demo was just worst soldier.

Yes they were high tours.

Yes it was two cities.

Edit: To clarify, i remember there already being at least a engi, scout, heavy, and medic on the team. I wanted to go pyro/demo for medic killing

@frisk5492

38w

One time I was in a mvm match and I was the only English player there I went scout due to it’s obvious job I actually learned a few things from them like engie placement and sniper position just from observing them and if I was doing something wrong all they would say is scout in English to get my attention

@leyna_gs7031

2y↑7

Can’t wait for more or your videos, every single one is very entertaining. This one was no exception

@MrSerkanSaral

2y↑1

Great video, but it really doesn't answer the problem that I have been dealing with way, WAY before this video was made. I'm not someone who is able to buy tickets for MvM just so I can do tours, so all of my 50 or so MvM plays are entirely in community servers. I actually understand that these would be why someone would be kicked from a match, as I would do the same to someone who was doing one of these mistakes as well, but as someone who hasn't done any of these but still getting kicked, I'm wondering to this day as to why I was kicked. Back then, there was no Gas Passer. I always listened to others when it came to class choices, along with weapons (I would even take a weapon for rent from the Mann Co Store if I didn't have it), I always communicated with people and I was always doing my best, being at least 2nd or 3rd best in a team, but I always got kicked off from the matches after a single wave. Whenever I would ask back then, they would either say "Because you are Epicskunk" or "F1, perish". It has been around several years since I stopped playing TF2, but I have remembered this past of mine when I was watching your video out of curiosity. What could be the reason that I was getting consistently kicked?

@vectorizlit4083

I’m truly the new player inbodyment of diamond in the rough I am always willing to accept helpful advice and input from high tours and helping the team no matter what