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@magneto7930

The whole DVD series allows you the option to view it without the laugh track. Honestly, I almost prefer it with the laugh track only because that's how I originally saw it, though it certainly wasn't necessary to have it.

@frankieecanales8827

@@magneto7930
The later seasons had no laugh track.

@jasonmeadors3524

You can only act so much. It was obvious in the last episode that when Margaret Houlihan said to Colonel Potter, "You dear, sweet man," and embraced and kissed him, it was Loretta Swit talking to Harry Morgan. Very moving.

The show just had no equal in its writing quality, its humor, its character establishment and development, and its gravitas.

@veltonmeade1057

I have also noticed that it was "Swit talking to Morgan". She became her realself during that line.

@BigBri550

The first half of the series was good, anyway.

@patrickdrazen2031

My favorite line was delivered by Colonel Blake: "All I know is what they taught me in command school. Rule Number One is: in a war, young men die. And Rule Number Two is: Doctors can't change Rule Number One."

@richstrobel

I remember that, but then again I've seen some of the episodes close to 20 times. That was from Sometimes You Hear the Bullet when Hawkeye's friend Tommy died on the operating table. Hawkeye decided he wasn't going to let the underage soldier (played by Ron Howard) die in action trying to impress a girl. So he turned him in then got him a purple heart anyway.

@chenoamiller7177

Not according to interviews vith Alan Alda and other cast members

@skaizun

My favorite quote: https://youtu.be/NNMqaLu1bJQ

@darlenebissonnette2581

That line is a classic!! So very true!

@smith041958

I remember that line and also one of my favourites. I used the line in a way to help a friend. She was a nurse in a cardiac ward for terminal cases. She mentioned somedays it was difficult to work because she knew that the patients didn't have long to live. I said to her that there were two rules in medicine. Rule one was that people die and rule two was that doctors and nurses can't change rule one. All she could do was help make their last days comforting and pleasant. That seemed to help her a lot.

@pennypackmtb2542

I joined the US Army in 76. I chose to become a Medic because of this show and after training I went to Germany. The field unit I was assigned to was just the same group of guys, just the names and faces changed. It's been 45 years since I last saw any of my brothers. Too long.

@robertdiotalevi285

Thank you for your service!

@fadeblac5633

Yes, thank you for your service 🙏.

@gayejohnson4551

Welcome home!

@odysseusrex5908

I joined the Army in 1982. In my basic training unit, there were a remarkable number of men whose sole experience of the Army was old episodes of M*A*S*H, and they came in expecting the Army to be like that. Boy, were they in for a shock. It was funny to watch. Some of them shaped up, some of them couldn't handle it.

Me too! Baumholder, West Germany!

@canadianfortrump4057

I read that Gary Burghoff as the kind and gentle Radar was the opposite of his tv character and was difficult to work with. Larry Linville who played the obnoxious and miserable Frank Burns was also the opposite of his character and was a nice guy in real life.

@markwright6496

I heard the same thing

@johncook2748

I will only comment, I heard more than once Larry Linville was well liked by Alan, Loretta Switt, and others. Many good likable actors play love to dislike characters. Edward Winters - Colonel Flagg.

@canadianfortrump4057

@John Cook Edward Winters appeared as Colonel Flagg in six episodes. I wish they had utilized the character more often. He was hilarious.

@michaelf6705

Ive cooked and met everyone frmo sinatra to michael jackson , don rickles etc I could go on and on, and i found , how they portraid on screen, they were almost just the opposite in real life.

@canadianfortrump4057

@Michael f You've cooked for these famous people? You must be a gourmet chef.

@BottomTen

No other show in history did such an excellent job of making you laugh and making you cry.

@gutenbird

The soundtrack to Mash is also etched in my mind for all times.

@sevinstorey4365

Have you ever watched Andy Griffith Show? His father and son moments will make you weep like an old lady if you have a soul.

@gutenbird

@Sevin Storey Ron Howard was such a great young actor. I love Leave it to Beaver but Ron Howard could act circles around those kids.

@BottomTen

@@sevinstorey4365 Watched Andy Griffith all the time growing up. It was good, but M*A*S*H had poignant moments pretty much every episode.

@bopmathews

Scrubs did a better job of making you laugh and cry

@AmericanSoldierSioux1969

My favorite recurring character from the show was (Major) Dr. Sidney Freedman. I would've loved to have seen him as a regular.
I know he's a fictional character but still a hell of a lot better than my ACTUAL shrink at the V.A. , that's for damn sure!

@bobma6342

He said that people would come up to him and want to talk about psychiatry and he'd have no idea what they were talking about.

@paulgianni

Good luck, Soldier. I never had luck with VA psych doctors, either. The best I got was from an intern from Johns-Hopkins in the early 2000s, when I lived in Vermont and from a social worker in the Durham, NC VA about five years later.
Semper Fi

@AmericanSoldierSioux1969

@@paulgianni thanks fellow Soldier / Marine. As long as the V.A. keeps paying my 100% service-connected disability, then I can do without one. Good luck back my friend. Semper Fi / Hooah.

@StamperWendy

My mom & I LOVED Dr. Sidney!

@user-en8wd7bw4l

My favorite character was also Dr. Freedman.

@TallulahBelle3276

So who was it? The narrator never actually made it clear.😮
On another note, this was my Mother’s favorite show. I watched it with her as a teenager n loved it myself. I have fond memories of hearing her exuberant laughter n how happy her face looked when she laughed watching it. Laughter is like a sweet desert for the soul.
My Mom had it rough. She was a single Mother to 3 young girls after my parents got divorced. She rarely got child support and at times worked 3 jobs to pay bills n feed us. Watching M.A.S.H. was a sweet escape for her from all the stress she was enduring. She not only managed to keep her head above water n handle everything by herself but she was an exemplary example to her children.
She got Alzheimer’s in her late seventies. My sisters and I were her sole caregivers for almost 3 years before she transitioned. I miss her and her contagious laughter. 💝

@johnypitman2368

I too remember how my mother loved Mash. Certainly something she cherished. When the series ended it went into returns and she watched those until the end of her days

@jacklow9611

I was wondering which co-star he couldn't stand, also.

@DafTaf1

What a touching tribute to your mom.

@rla1000

Nice story.

@SPenny-my4we

Your Mother had a Heart of Gold ! For Loving you and your Sisters the way She did, and that absolutely breaks my heart about rarely getting help! God bless you and your Sisters and especially your Mother, may She Rest in Peace! ✝️🙏❤️❤️❤️ ALWAYS!

@Kulumuli

I watched a lot of MASH before I did my military service in 1994-1995 (in Norway). One fellow recruit was like BJ Hunnicut (Mike Farrel). He even looked like him. He was always calm and kept his locker in pristine order all the time. I saw only once he raised his eyebrows when our recruits took a joke too far. Everybody liked him. A good guy.

@billk5296

David Ogden Stiers (Charles Emerson Winchester) was a guest narrator one year for Epcot’s Candlelight Processional, a large holiday production every year. He asked for a fairly substantial spread of food and beverages in his dressing room, which was honored.

His first night, he told the crew members that he was amazed by their skill and work ethic, and that the spread was for them, his door remained open. He was a very kind, approachable man, and this was typical of how he treated everyone he interacted - and guess who was treated like royalty by everyone backstage? ❤

@edwardpaisley9063

Two of my uncles (one on each side of the family) said the show was nothing like their real experience. One said the show was as close to reality as Hogan's Heroes was to WW II. Although when you are there it seems like an eternity and the audience felt sorry for the soldiers who were there for so long the show was more than 3 times as long as the actual conflict (about 3 and 1/2 years). My uncles served 17 and 11+ months taking their leaves to get out of there early. Alan Alda also made the comment that he was doing it as a way to protest the Viet Nam War and coming from that era I could feel that in several of his comments/episodes. I really didn't get who the conflict was with, I had heard he picked on Radar and that McLean Stevenson, Mike Farrell and Wayne Rogers all thought they were to be "equals" but felt upstaged by Alda. Frank (Larry Linville) recognized his role but got tired of the same bullying all the time. BTW it was Lt. Colonel Donald Penobscott Not whatever was said here...

@GeoffCK

Joe Pickles and the Tiny Tickles

@billday8796

I have the TV Guide issue that has three articles devoted to the demise of MASH.. , One by Alan Alda about his favorite episodes, one by Alastair Cooke in a long learned evaluation, and one by Burt Prelusky written just before the final episode was aired. In it, he discusses all the major characters and finally gets to Radar... "Although nobody wanted to be quoted for the record, the feelings about Gary Burghoff's leaving were fairly unanimous... Loved Radar, hated Burghoff. As summed up by one of the principles, "Gary had personality problems. He always felt there was a conspiracy against him. He was rude to everyone, but if anyone ever said anything back to him, he throw a tantrum. Once Mike Farrell told him that his problem was that he could dish it out but he couldn't take it, and Gary said,'and I'm getting real sick and tired of dishing it out. the poor guy didn't even realize what he had said."
There is a lot of other stuff discussed in the article, and I have seen at least parts of it quoted on a couple of websites.
This YouTube analysis is obviously NOT by an expert, but by someone else. It may be done by a computer generated voice due to the mispronunciations.

@veltonmeade1057

Well, this does not surprise me. I have worked with the Army and in engineering since 1996 and I have worked with many guys like him; short guys always have a big chip on their shoulders. I think this is because they got teased a lot as kids and with his deformed left-hand, I imagine he got teased a lot for it while growing. I have learned how to work with guys like him which to focus on the job, not the person.

@angelbulldog4934

It's a real human. I know the voice and the name but can't think of it at the moment. My ex is now retired from a lifetime career in hroadcasting. Before the days of Google, he would make phone calls til he found the correct pronunciation. Smart.

@parrot849

@@angelbulldog4934 I

@thomaswashburn3513

Garry Burghoff could be annoying! Watch the end of Match Game 74 and the beginning of Match Game 75. He substituted about 100 +/- episodes. He always seemed to want to outdo everyone else on set. Just my opinion.

@mrparlanejxtra

The narrators voice is very tedious.

@PRR5406

Radar was cloyingly sweet on the TV series, whereas in the film, he was a gritty soldier in a dangerous situation. I found Alda's ego soiled a great deal of the last years of the series.

@collaborativedataaccounts3249

You actually never watched the movie, did you? "Gritty soldier" come on now.

@nowirehangers2815

Ego?
He was the main character by the end

@collaborativedataaccounts3249

@@nowirehangers2815 Alan Alda wrote checks his 'acting' couldn't cash.

@blabbermouth777

You are so right. Apparently the original plan was to let Stevenson back if his show failed but Alda didn’t think he should because of a lack of commitment. So Gelbart killed him🤮. Such an egotistical ass. Hornberger liked the movie but not the show I think mainly because of Alda. Although Hornberger didn’t like the liberal stuff on the show and I did. It’s very unpatriotic to not be a liberal. But I think the show also got too far away from the novel.

@blabbermouth777

Radar was funnier in the film and early part of the series when he would help with the pranks.

@SPenny-my4we

People, I remember watching this show with my friends and barely being able to stay in my chair from laughing so hard ! Our sides would hurt from laughing so hard, and it was great when one of us would drop a line a couple days later and we'd all Crack up again ! We grew up with MASH, we laughed so hard, and cried so many times because they made it the way it needed to be made ! I'll never forget MASH, we'll never forget MASH that is ! That's definitely a FAMILY CLASSIC ! GOD Bless Them All !

@johnwattdotca

This American comedy about Americans attacking an Asian country, reminds me of Hogans' Heroes,
an American television comedy about a German World War Two prisoner of war camp. You probably
wouldn't like that one because it was just in black and white.

@mikemcwilliams7801

@@johnwattdotca not all of them

@CrazyBear65

You didn't mention anything about David Ogden Stiers. The grenade episode. The dummy grenade was supposed to be a prank, but Charles threw himself on it without hesitation and told Klinger to run. Just take a moment to ponder that. A doctor diving on a grenade to save a clerk. My dad was a medic/ambulance driver in WW2. He was stationed with a MASH unit. He fought in the battle of the bulge. I think his favorite character on MASH was Rizzo (GW Bailey) if I'm not mistaken.

@jennifersignsoflife1375

GREAT comment~ Thanks!

@meagain2898

No. It was Rizzo that was messing with Charles with grenade. He pulled pin and expected Charles to run. But Charles jumped on it and told Rizzo to run. He knew beforehand it was fake.

@AllenArt64

@meagain2898 Doubtful Winchester would have dived on the grenade if he knew it was real, but he actually did know ahead of time that it was fake. LOL

@geraldineclarke5434

David Ogden Stiers was an a artist in residence at my university. He starred in a production of King Lear. His was the best Lear I've ever seen and he was only 22!

@jeanengstrom1267

I knew it was Farrel, because he was blessed with the sobriquet, 'F**k you Mike' for his not-so-palsey habit of saying JUST that...quite often.

@1111atreides

We're watching all of MASH together as a family. There are some real clunkers in there...anything that's Hawkeye-heavy can be a bit of a slog. But my 17 year old daughter changed her vocation choice from vet to paramedic in large part due to this show. We'll see. She might follow Igor's footsteps and become a cook.

@brucefredrickson9677

Really...because of a TV show? You need to have a talk with her about influencers.

@1111atreides

A dull and dreary life bring you here Bruce? Cheer up man!@@brucefredrickson9677

@gregswanson1521

One of my favorite scenes in MASH was when Potter had been drinking with BJ and Hawkeye and he fell down and said, "Did I fall down?" BJ/Hawkeye said, "no, no" and Potter replied, "I didn't think so."

@jeffg.6110

My favorite Potterisms were his angry… pastoral… exclamations. Especially “buffalo bagels!” and “horse hockey!” And “pony pucks!” 🦬💩 Also “sufferin’ sheep dip!” I guess there’s just too many. 😂

@davidahrens2841

The 1st three seasons were masterpieces
and I still enjoy watching them repeatedly.
When the show began
I was studying in college to get into medical school
and wanted to be just like Hawkeye!
When Stevenson left, the show began its slow decline
though there were still many gems.
I lost interest when Frank left,
he was my favorite character,
and they turned 'Hot Lips' into a platinum blonde bimbo.
Alda was too much into himself.
When he started using the show
as a platform for his personal beliefs
it went downhill from there.
I didn't want to be like Hawkeye anymore,
and I don't even bother watching the later shows
even thought I know they are crowd pleasers

Perhaps the person Alan Alda couldn't stand
was himself!

If you really want to watch the true MASH,
View the original movie

@AllenArt64

I know what you mean. After McLean's departure and Farrell's appearance, the show got really preachy really quick due to Alda's added influence behind the scenes. Hawkeye also turned into a real wimp. The first three seasons were pure laughs. I still love watching them even though I've seen them a million times. But excellent writing never gets old ;)

@sped6954

Between the two of you, you managed to sum up my thoughts on the show. I was only 12 or 13 when the show ended. It was in syndication, and I was in my early 20s when I started kind of disliking most of it. I'd have to say that Radar and Trapper were my favorite characters, followed very closely by Blake and Potter. I liked Pierce when the show was in first run, but as a young adult I started recognizing the show as a vehicle for Alda to preach his own ideals. He had just entirely too much creative control on M*A*S*H, and for me, he was the catalyst that started the show in its early downward spiral. I wasn't really ever a fan of Burns, but at least in the beginning, he wasn't a sniveling little wimp, and he was at least a little funny. I wasn't a fan of Winchester either. Klinger was kinda funny, but it was a little much when he just decided to straighten up and fly right.

@jeffdurall8353

Reading your comment, it was like I had written it. I agree with 100% of what you said. The show in it's first three seasons was pure gold, then it all shifted. When I go back to re-watch episodes, I stop watching once the killed off Henry Blake.

@tonyharden7159

@David Ahrens You and I are pretty close. I always prefered Trapper to BJ. I would have to say that, over all, Henry Blake was my favorite character. What is your opinion of the movie MASH? To me, the series kind of makes the movie fall into the shadows. That is a shame.

@teddtarr

Henry Blake looking up into that heater pipe in Hawk's tent, & then... priceless !
" We're doctors; we're trained to ignore peoples' pain" Maj. Frank Burns, M.D.

@nita7561

Post script…..the line I loved was when Jamie Farr was dressed up as Scarlet O’Hara and he told Charles “
get your hand off of me you damn Yankee!” I’m from the South and when I heard that line I fell off my chair!!
Also, when Sidney wrote in his journal to Dr Sigman Freud. ❤

@amypagekaviani5661

I am Southern Belle too. I, too laughed so hard. Jamie Farr did a good job!!!!!!!!!!!!

@3rdandlong

I will never forget the day I was asked to assist with a production that involved a commercial for a RV/Motor Home company here in Oregon. Little did I know(at first) that that star of the commercial was none other than Radar himself, Gary Burkoff. He apparently bought an RV from this lot just off I-5 and liked it so much that he was willing to do a commercial for the place. I met him during the shoot and found he was genuinely warm and friendly. A very nice guy. Will always remember that day. And let us not forget on the final episode that apparently in (New York?), that a tid-bit came out after it was over: Several million toilets flushed all at once during the commercials wrecking havoc on the water treatment facility.

@calebbrown7602

The think about New York is a myth. It was just a joke.

@JoeMotionVideos82

I can't believe MASH will be 50 this year. I can honestly say (with most of your viewers) that I grew up watching the show and still enjoy to this day!

@rhuephus

well ... since it started in 1972 - you are correct. the 50th year was in 2022.

@vaskylark

Me too! I remember watching the last episode. It was a HUGE and popular show and then I'd watch the reruns too. Wonder if it's streaming anywhere? I'd like to watch it allover again.

@jameshope6917

​@@vaskylark😅

@epena2805

My spouse and I enjoyed MASH so much, even the reruns out of order when it was in syndication. At one point, he even splurged and bought the boxed set which included the original movie. Honestly, the movie couldn’t hold a candle to the series.

@JoeMotionVideos82

@E Pena  Thank you for sharing that!
I agree, about the pilot movie. The humor was lackluster compared to the series. That being said, in defense of the movie, they had to keep the " jokularity" down. Thank you, Fathe Mulkahey.
My favorite episode is when B.J. joined the cast, he and Hawkeye showed up to camp 3 sheets to the wind, and he said, ", what say you Ferret face?" To Burns!! I'm laughing just writing this.

@larslarsman

Haven't heard this narrator for a while. His rising squeaky pitch at the start of each sentence and rising squeaky pitch with vowels, sounds like someone is torturing him with pliers on his privates. Squeak on brave narrator. I want an award for sticking with this video for 6 minutes.

@jameslocke1416

And judging by how poorly he pronounced some of the names, he clearly never watched the show.

@ameliafroehlich2577

It's computer generated not a real man.

@123xqp

I made it to 23 seconds. Then I spent 6 minutes reading the comments.

@gaden002

@@123xqp I didn't time it, but I'm sure you both beat me, it couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 seconds before I realized what kind of video it is.

@jeffreyjacobs390

Mash was brilliant comedic drama and VERY FUNNY, EASY TO LOVE THE CHARACTERS .... until the Producers were foolish enough to give an EGOCENTRIC Power Hog some influence in script and writing ....Namely Alan Alda ! His far too many silly, corny and relentlessly nerve wracking puns, pokes and prima donna antics wore thin soon thereafter ! I literally can't watch the last several seasons - for his meddling !

@Osmien118

agreed

@SpockMonroe

Sadly, I've always felt this way.

@blabbermouth777

Amen! First three seasons were great.

@eileenschenck1264

Brilliant work. I've probably watched MASH dozens of times and still catch quick quips i have missed. Tight wonderful script. We'll not see it's like again.

@johncook2748

A character I always liked or never got tired of was Klinger, and Jamie Farr was complimentary of Alan Alda and Loretta Switt . How Alan tried to make sure each main character had an episode centered around them when he had a say so in later years.

@eloiseockert9233

Who was Ginger?

@mjkay8660

jaimee farr had a restaurant in toledo and he actually went there. we had many great times in that place.

@dyanshane

Jamie Farr was THE funniest of the whole cast to me! I loved him! Still do! He lives about 40 mins from me in Toledo Ohio, he never forgot who he was, and went back home to retire. What a down to earth nice guy!

@epena2805

I believe she was the black nurse. She was prominent in the episode where an injured soldier didn’t want the “wrong kind of blood”.

@robertdiotalevi285

@@epena2805 Right on..that is LT Ginger.

@zaphodbeatlebrox4906

Covering the conclusion of M*A*S*H for TV Guide in 1983, Burt Prelutsky wrote, "Although nobody wanted to be quoted for the record, the feelings about Gary Burghoff's leaving were fairly unanimous: loved Radar, hated Burghoff. As summed up by one of the principals: 'Gary had personality problems. He always felt there was a conspiracy against him. He was rude to everyone, but if anyone ever said anything back to him, he'd throw a tantrum. He had a particularly heated relationship with Alan Alda. Once, Mike Farrell told him that his problem was that he could dish it out but he couldn't take it, and Gary said, "And I'm getting real sick and tired of dishing it out." The poor guy didn't even realize what he'd said.'"[1]

@richstrobel

10:04 I only remember Frank earning 2 purple hearts and both of them were given to others. The first to a soldier played by Ron Howard and the second to a baby whose Mother was shot just before she went into labor. Radar was only wounded once and received a purple heart. Then again, Radar was reading an X-Men comic book which didn't exist until 1963 and there are other chronological issues with the show.

@georgebreakfast5890

Because MASH wasn't about Korea it was absolutely about Vietnam but they couldn't say so. There are lots of similar anachronisms.

@GeoffCK

@@georgebreakfast5890pavement

@daninnj8580

Actually the baby got the Purple Heart because he was nicked in the butt by the bullet himself.

@theresaalig9789

On one episode he quotes John Wayne from a 1963 movie. Eleven - twelve years too early.

@heli-crewhgs5285

The haircuts always bug me. Male and female characters all seem to have 1970s ‘big hair.’ Black characters have hair that is way too high, given that the show is set in an early 1950s military setting.

@daninnj8580

Only really bad episode was (like many others mention) another Alda-centric indulgence where Hakeye gets his preachy sanctimoniousness in high gear by hating on a Colonel (who they HAD to name "Bloodworth") played by Charles Aidman - great character actor - who predicts casualty figures. In reality docs loved these guys, whose job was to aid the medical staff prepare for what they could expect. You can save more lives if you make sure you have what you'll need BEFORE you need it, and plan surgical rotations as well as triage staffing. Why Hawkeye chooses to hate the guy is a mystery, much less why he decided it was ok to put his hands on him.

@marcoosvald8429

To this day, one of the Greatest shows of all time on television. You want real laughs, this show, The Carrol Bernette Show, Laugh In, The Bob Newhart Show. They never cease to bust you up. Honorable Mention, The original Saturday Night Live with the Not Ready for Prime Time Players

@dankimrey8039

I have to mention Andy. He and Don Knotts were perfect together.

@linsmith3767

Yes!!! when Korman and Conway got together It was magic!! don't forget the dean Martin roasts with Don rickles, charlie callas, Red buttons🤣🤣🤣so funny!!! I still watch that on YT..

@simonagree4070

Don't forget The Dick Van Dyke show -- Jamie Farr actually appears on that as the danish and coffee delivery guy.

@rr7firefly

I sometimes watched the Carroll Bernadette Show but people keep telling me now it was jus a hallucination.

@georgeandrews6454

Also known as Carol Burnett.

@stevendimmock4791

I'm 63 and most of my life I've had MASH around me, in the seventies everybody watched it. It was funny, but also sophisticated and had a message, but the great thing about watching it in Britain was that there was no laughter track. Even Alan Alda said that he never watched the show unless He was in Britain at the time of broadcast. Now I look at it and they all seem like old friends to me .

@veltonmeade1057

No laugh track? Interesting and I would also like to watch the show in that manner.

@vlmellody51

Hawkeye was played by Alan Alda, NOT "Aaron Alda."

The last name of Margaret Houlihan's ex-husband was Penobscot, not whatever that jumbled mess was that the narrator gave us.

Who was it that Alan Alda couldn't stand?

@lucieleimbach

When it was released as a matinee with Patton, my parents went to see it. They said hardly anyone was laughing. My dad was a surgeon and mom an RN during the occupation. They said they understood the humor where the majority did not. I understand that by working 25 years in the ED.

@willdwyer6782

Between the movie and two TV series, the name Trapper John was played by three different actors. Elliott Gould played the role in the movie, Wayne Rogers on the TV version, and Pernell Roberts as the lead on Trapper John MD.

@MasterK9Trainer

What was never mentioned was that the cast did not have luxurious accommodations, yet they gave great performances. Years later the cast of Beverly Hills 90210 had to endure working on an isolated set. It's interesting to see how sometimes lower budgets, less luxuries and even some obstacles promote better production and acting.

Frank Linville spoke about being the target of jokes and was respected in the industry, but he never had a regular gig on a TV show. Gary Burghoff was said to feel the need to be recognized by everyone as a good actor and was a bit egotistical.

@mariaholman1407

I remember so many laughs (and sorrowful moments) that this show gave me, BUT the one that brought on my daughter's birth I cant remember ... It aired on Oct 29th, 1979 and my labor pains started right after the credits started to roll.. wish I knew which episode it was ... for me, it was life changing.

@Lava1964

That should be easy to look up.

@mariaholman1407

@Lava1964 you inspired me ... I found it ... season 8, episode 7 (episode 180 of all episodes) "Nurse Doctor" now I'll have to see if its on my subscriptions... thanks

@1111atreides

Haha! I went into labor after watching a terrible Kurt Russel movie, The Poseidon Adventure!

@davidparker2761

@1111atreides Kurt Russel wasn't in the Poseidon Adventure.

@1111atreides

@David Parker He was in Poseidon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLcLUEE2pyY

@calinasagilitypartner4444

My dad LOVED this show. My dad was a surgeon and told me that he learned how to do surgeries by watching the show (I was really little when he said this), lol.

@gerdd6692

For the sake of his patients, I hope he didn't mean that!

@badigalinkin6461

I talked with “radar” before an interview and he was very pleasant to me. The writer Alan Katz i met and visted with pre interview and he was so funny he left me in stitches.

@wordzmyth

Where were the interviews?

@RANDALLBRIGGS

So, the hook line is never directly addressed. Are we to guess that Wayne Rogers was the co-star whom Alan Alda couldn't stand? For my part, by the last few years of the series, I couldn't stand Alan Alda.

@jackrogers2333

i would guess that the unloved mystery person would have been the guy who replaced trapper

@su-rv2uq

So who cares?

@dededenver9560

I didn't like the series after Radar left.

@calebbrown7602

Wayne rodgers and alda were best friends. The co star he didnt like was gary burgough.

@daninnj8580

Actually Alda and Rodgers were tight. They stayed close right up till Wayne's early death. It was Mike Farrel that Alda never liked; but he didn't actually dislike him, just could never feel friendly toward him.

@Awaywrdson

Love the show !!! Klinger was my favorite of the cast. My favorite episode was "B.J.'s name !!! I thought of all kinds of names and when he says " my Mother Bea and my Father Jay" I was rollin on the floor !!!😂

@terrylkumpf3894

I loved MASH it was one of the best shows on TV.

@johnpace3903

Your clip of McLean Stevenson at 7:37 was not actually from MASH but from a Piedmont Airlines commercial I produced. Thank you for including it in your video.

@TakayasMom

I was 7 when MASH started and my whole family would sit and laugh. I remember being confused and saying, 'That wasn't funny'. It was several years before I was old enough to get the adult humor, then it was my favorite show, too.

@jeffb5785

I loved that show and almost all of the characters, I realize that some of the characters weren't meant to be liked and they played the part well like Frank Burns

@m.dwaynesteckley4832

Frankly, (ha ha) I've always thought Larry Linville was given an unfair situation as the show progressed and Alda took the limelight. At the beginning, he was acting like a regular army surgeon who was at least competent, but just followed military doctrine, of course a bit over the top: it was after all an anti-war theme. Major Houlihan, an excellent nurse, would have seen something in him. But, later he was portrayed as a complete cartoonish nitwit. Although Larry was enough of a pro to deal with it, it unfairly typecast him and his career was all but over. That really wasn't necessary - Hawkeye needed a true foil. The good thing was David Ogden Stiers. Although, I think, given the opportunity, Larry could have managed that himself. There were good military career physicians/surgeons who had to meet the same standards as their civilian counterparts.

@jeffb5785

@@m.dwaynesteckley4832 I'm not that deep or analytical, I just enjoyed the show, I loved the comedy and appreciated the drama. There were characters I loved and those I loved to hate but I thought they all played their roles perfectly.

@Dallas-Nyberg

For me, the most memorable episode was when Alan Alda's character had the only (english) speaking part...In fact, he was the only regular cast member in the episode. It was Season four, episode 18. The episode was simply called "Hawkeye".

@johnnydogg746

That was a great episode...❤

@heatheriwaniuk6913

I came to the comments to say the same. I was born in '77. Dad told me I was with him watching every episode, but I don't remember watching until it was in syndication. If I was flipping through and there was a marathon, my day was planned. I have owned the entire series in VHS, DVD, and now Digital. It's my all-time favorite show. S4E18, Hawkeye, is my favorite episode. Benjamin Franklin Pierce will forever be my favorite TV character.

@Vishiaeq

The first time I had ever saw that episode, and he told the story about a teacher he had and screamed YOU DID IT WRONG!! I nearly passed out laughing. The face he made when he said that.....hilarious.

@stevenburkhardt1963

I am of the opinion that Alda ruined MASH. He got too big for his britches. The show was outstanding in its first three seasons, then it started to go downhill as Alda became more involved. I stopped watching entirely before the series ended. I was one of the few who didn’t watch the finale

@malinwj1167

There is no way the show could have gone as long as it did, if it stuck to the same formula of the first 3 seasons

@frogger1952

He took Klinger out of women’s clothing which made that character pointless.

@shaggydogg630

The show in my opinion should have ended years earlier.

@tbolt2948

I loved After MASH! It was set in Col. Potter's hometown of Hannibal, Missouri. I'm surprised they never mentioned another Hannibal native, Mark Twain. Radar was from Ottumwa, Iowa which is only 140 miles from Hannibal. In case you haven't guessed, I'm from Hannibal.

@patrickprendergast9589

did u see him

@ArchibaldBagge

Who cares.

@jonweiss4223

One minor error, military awards, including the Purple Heart when awarded subsequent awards of the same medal, are displayed on the uniform by Oak Leaf clusters on the base ribbon. But at the award ceremony, when subsequent awards of medals, including the Purple Heart, are awarded, the presenting officer actually pins a medal on the recipients uniform and gives the award set to the soldier. A second, third or fourth award of a medal is not simply handing the soldier an oak leaf to add to the base ribbon. In my career, I was awarded several medals multiple times, and I have a separate medal for each award instance .

@2manycatsforadime

does this include for duty in Viet Nam as well? Asking as a friend was wounded 3 times, 3rd time he was sent home only to die later from Agent Orange.

@DavidSmith-ss1cg

By the 4th season, it should've been called "the Alan Alda Show;" I mean, he got his dear old dad to star in an episode, and lots of other crap. I used to have a clipping from a local Florida newspaper(where I lived in 1983) about the end of the series. It was titled, "M*A*S*H"- Good Riddance" and mentioned Alan Alda's ego several times. It also mentioned the disconnect between the politics of the Korean War and those of the time the movie was made, as opposed to those of the late 1970s, when the world was much different than the late 1960s which inspired Hooker's original novel.
If you're REALLY interested, you'll find that the original movie was LOTS better than the TV series, and the Book was a LOT better than the movie, although there was differences between the novel and the award-winning screenplay. The movie was a historic chance for young artists to shine both behind AND in front of the cameras, and it became a very successful film, which surprised a lot of people; the movie's success was so great that Hollywood couldn't resist making a watered-down version of it for TV.

@obliograce3551

Loretta Swit also stared in an early (season 1) episode of Star Trek, the original television series titled " Where No Man Has Gone Before". She ends up with mirrored contact lenses. Loved the Mash series, loved the movie better, still a great series though. My dad told me that after the final episode there was some record broken for water usage in NYC at one time as everyone got up to use the toilet when the show finished and probably flushed at the same time. That’s one way you can tell that the show was popular.

@balok63a40

That wasn't Loretta Swit, that was Sally Kellerman.

@obliograce3551

Yes, thanks, my mistake. Loretta Swit was on TV MASH. Sally Kellerman was the original "hot lips" in the movie MASH who also played on a Star Trek episode. Like I said, the movie left a deeper impression on me, but I still enjoyed the TV series.

@IPASAustralia

Hawkeye had a mum (mom) and sister...or did he? In one of the first episodes, he is narrating his letter to his dad. At the end he says: "Give my love to mom and sis'..." Later, the Hawkeye character never mentioned a sister, and his father was a widower. Oh well... perhaps the first writers and the later writers were different.

@chaoticcanyon2081

I got a MASH trivia question to which I'm not sure the answer myself. Which MASH 4077 characters had to receive surgery themselves, at their own hospital. I know Henry, Margaret, Radar and Frank did.

@Driven2Beers

For me, the show jumped the shark when Linville left. Burns had some awesome lines!

@Fatherflot64

Barely mentioned the 1970 Robert Altman film that preceded the TV series. The film won the Palm d'Or at Cannes and earned 5 Oscar nominations, including one for best picture. It was the 3rd highest grossing American film of 1970. Gary Burghoff created the role of Radar first for the film.

@mikemiller659

I remember the adds for the movie. I was 15 then

@gregoryboyd7176

On the DVD commentary track of his original film, Robert Altman explains why he rightfully DESPISED the TV version of his work saying it ripped his cinematic vision to shreds, flatly refusing when M*A*S*H Producers asked to use some of his footage onscreen. But contractually, Altman always retained some measure of control over his movies and M*A*S*H was no exception. So as a minor capitulation the only shots you ever see from Altman's movie are under the opening credits showing a helicopter sweeping in and landing on a hill with a wounded soldier, which was blended with new closeup footage of the TV actors. And, you can easily see the difference since Altman only allowed them to use old, scratched footage instead of anything that would match more closely. Another thing missing from the TV show are the sung lyrics to the theme song, "SUICIDE IS PAINLESS" which were deemed inappropriate by network censors for TV-viewers since suicide among the military was and still largely is a taboo topic. But overall, Robert Altman especially disliked Alan Alda's portrayal of "Hawkeye Pierce", thinking he turned the character into an annoying immature parody of the original. And, he was correct.

@brianlupiani587

@Gregory Boyd Good thing, then, that Robert Alda's son Alan played Hawkeye in the TV series. 😬

Sorry, I couldn't resist the cheap shot.

@gregoryboyd7176

@Brian Lupiani What are you talking about? Robert ALTMAN was a renowned film/television director long before Robert ALDA ever memorized a word of dialogue. BUT: ROBERT Alda [Alan's Father] did actually guest star on an episode of M*A*S*H. Next time try actually reading before replying.

@chrisn7259

@@brianlupiani587 Are you confusing Altman with Alda?

@GeoffCK

Best episode was when Klinger wore the rubber suit trying to get out of the dump on a sec. 8. Also when he made a paraglider and tried to fly out of there wearing big, pink slippers. Also the episode where Pierce has to invent Captain Tuttle and eulogized him. The show was great when it was pure comedy that poked fun at war and violence through irony and satire. Things when downhill when they decided to beat viewers over the head with their morality tales.

@joycemanning1254

Yes for klinger

@hankernest9596

For being such a good show, they had some major characters I didn't like at all: Hot Lips (in the later years, she seemed angry all the time), Winchester, and Frank Burns.

@karencahill4798

We were hooked to this show- Got to see it from beginning to end! I’d watch re-runs if I could. One of the best! I’m 67 now- Good run.

@bjbo72

If u have dish they r on it..

@jmmlpn286

If your cable company has it, MASH plays on TVLand each weekday morning from 7a-10:30a

@jodypalm303

Am I hearing the narrator call Alan Alda, "Aaron" Alda several times? I know I heard him say that Hot Lips married someone whose name I couldn't even understand. It was supposed to be Donald Penobscot (Peh-NOB-scot). And I'm still not clear which cast member Alda couldn't stand.

@vigoruslardass

i think the co-star is farrell. for those still uncertain after watching this. they mentioned that working relationship rivalry early in this and that confuses people who are waiting for a bigger reveal nearer the end. that is the usual formula so good on them for shaking things up, i guess. not many mentions of the movie this series was a spin-off from. nearly all the roles were recast although they kept the catchy them tune, but muted the lyrics.

@karenklehm1036

I remember Alda couldn't stand Mike Farrell. Mike Farrell was a conservative and Alda a liberal.

@WintersWar

@@karenklehm1036 Farrell was always known as a left winger. As Alda. I do think Farrell was very competitive in that series. He was generally and over actor. I can see Alda not appreciating that.

@calebbrown7602

It was radar. Gary and alda couldn't stand each other

@raptorfromthe6ix833

@@calebbrown7602Tbf Alan Alda had a reputation of being hard to work with

@lynnkjjones7066

weird! The only member of the Mash cast I couldn't hack was Alan Alda. All the rest were great.

@hellkat909

in real life a self righteous quiche eater

@michaelf6705

I thought I was the only one, he reminded me of todays modern snowflakes.

@michaelf6705

of course im talking of his role , not him as a person for all the modern day snowflakes.

@sanman187-

I thought he had the toughest role of all...he had to be consistent, and funny, and mesh with the other characters. (I had to do that as the lead in a Neil Simon play once, the third night was the best, and it was very difficult...I only did it right, or at least well, on the third night.

@michaelf6705

@sanman187 Paverotti was amazing, just doesnt do anything for me, he may have played the role impeccably, but his role got irritating, not him as a person.

@katerinaneoralova8403

I love MASH, my most favourite show ever. What makes me love it even more is the fact that in czech dabing there is no laughter at all

@chenoamiller7177

MASH did not use a laugh track so there would not be

@gregwilliams3120

@Chenoa Miller They certainly did use a laugh track, except for the Operating Room scenes.

@brianlupiani587

@greg williams I'm pretty sure they eventually stopped using the laugh track, though I have no idea when that was.

@OmosThings

I have the whole dvd collection and thank God there is no laughing track. Also, growing up with the czech dubbing, makes me realize how well they translated most of the jokes 😂 considering the language/cultural barriers, the czech crew managed to keep the jockularity mostly intact ❤ including the voice actors who sounded almost 100% like the original characters

@christinemackenzie3692

I am with so many others… Who was it? I think the commentator hinted by talking about the competitive nature’s of Mike Farrell and him, but he really didn’t specify, and I find that so hard to believe. If that’s who it is, then they were both better actors than anyone who came before or after them in any show or movie!!
I loved MASH when it was on originally and I still love it !!

@dyer2cycle

It's the first 3 seasons for me..that was the best, that was the peak..seasons 4 and 5 were pretty good as well...after that, well, it was still a good show, but between too many people leaving and Alan Alda's conversion of the show from comedy with drama, to drama with very little comedy, it just wasn't the same. I thought Wayne Rogers' Trapper character was far superior to Mike Farrell's B.J. Hunnicutt..I just never liked B.J., one of my least favorite characters(I do think Mike Farrell is a fine actor, just don't like the B.J. character)...Harry Morgan's Colonel Potter was probably the best of the replacements, he did a very fine job, but in the end, he still was no Henry Blake...what I always wished had happened, was that McClean Stevensen had stayed as Henry Blake, and Harry Morgan had been brought on as his superior in a semi-regular role...maybe General Potter?...I do think the Frank Burns thing had pretty much run it's course by the 5th season, though...

@stevekandt7574

My personal favorite episode was when Harry Morgan played he mentally unstable Maj. Gen. Bartford Steele before he took over as Potter. Outrageously funny.

@anttyzale5455

The man Alda hated was Burgoff. Burgoff had a successful fish catching device off theshow. Alda was knocked
off a fishing boat by his friend Jeffrey. Alda confused Jeffery with Burgoof and hated Burgoof.

@rexiiforsure9558

Not sure if this is a fact, but some seemingly reliable sources mentioned to me that the actor who played radar O’Reilly felt that the show really couldn’t go on without his character under scoring the way he did do felt about his importance in the show

@lisica8458

Always loved David Ogden Stiers and his character, Charles Emerson Winchester III.

@tbecker97204

I went through MANY tissues during the series finale, "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen."

@judytullos9889

Gary seemed quite rehearsed in a demanding role. He probably was disappointed that others didn’t need to be so rehearsed. It is my guess. He had the confidence to do “Charlie Brown” on Broadway, appearing in four to six performances weekly live.

@WTH1812

Probably Wayne Rogers, since by the time he left he had been reduced to fewer lines than Harpo Marx. His best "line" was the pinstripe suit.

@richfolkes

MASH ran ten times longer than the actual Korean War in which it was set.

@hotchick69

It should have been called the Alan Alda Show, all it was by the end was a vehicle for Alda to push his politics and personal agendas.

@ianplatt5607

An excellent set of series. 👍👏👏

@saltymisfit6566

I loved this show, the movie is great too. My dad and I would watch it together

@66Bunn

What was Margaret's fiance's name? Sorry, but you mispronounced it. Col. Penobscot was pronounce Pen-OB-Scot (emphasis on the middle "OB") - he was played by the late, wonderful actor, Mike Henry (who many of us Gen Xers remember as Junior Justice in the Smokey and the Bandit movies). Also, the "Co Star Alda couldn't stand", was probably referring to Gary Burghoff. It's not like the cast couldn't stand him, but other than the M*A*S*H movie, this was his first real major role....so he took it very, very seriously and sometimes that may have rubbed the other actors the wrong way. Also, when Gary left the series, he claimed he was burned out and my guess is that also ticked off Alda.

Some other interesting trivia: During the scene when Radar comes into the operating room to inform everyone that Henry Blake's plane crashed into the Sea of Japan (a very touching, heartbreaking scene, btw)...there was complete silence, until an extra dropped something on the floor (which sounds like a surgical instrument hitting the floor), it worked so well during the filming, they left it in.

@KevinFrost

You truly have a voice for newspaper. Let's hope that isn't matched with a face for radio.

@joefaber1381

Here is something that you missed... many of the writers, support personnel and background actors came straight over from the cancelled Hogan's Heroes.

@eloiseockert9233

...and so???

@corriecrazy

I did not know that. Interesting.:)

@birdsndog5932

Interesting.

@draco4540

i didn't know that. but it makes sense given how good Hogan's Heros was. i'm 59 years old. when i was 14, my family had a german exchange student for the summer. he and the other german kids loved watching hogan's heros.

@draco4540

@Eloise Ockert both shows were well written and acted, good comedy, etc. there were a lot of similarities.

@nerdyali4154

Rewatching all of the series in sequence and it does get progressively harder to stomach Hawkeye's adolescent behaviour and teenage politics. Nobody but Hawkeye realises that "war is bad m'kay ", everyone in authority is a callous idiot, solutions to conflict are self-evident and just require everyone to think like he does and he expects endless tolerance for his disruption of discipline and intensely infuriating behaviour. There is a touch of Holden Caulfield about him.

@californian1459

And Alan Alda was definitely the one star that everyone else in the cast couldn’t stand.

@parrot849

I heard Alan Alda was hardest cast member to get along with

@eilenekellogg-ki2br

I have a hard time standing the Cartier alan Alda plays. It’s very narsistic,needing attention at all times. The show was called mash not Alan Alda show. He was the domanearing person and I felt it was a shame that they didn’t let us get to know more about the other caritores.

@willdwyer6782

Loretta and Harry bonded on the set. Col. Potter and Maj. Hot Lips had a father-daughter on-screen chemistry that was just as strong off-screen.

@toddcooper2563

The original episodes that included McLean Stevenson and Wayne Rodgers were the best. The later episodes that still included Larry Linville and Gary Burhoff were tolerable, but once the two latter actors were gone, the series was finished. It's sad, but all good things come to an end.

@su-rv2uq

I can't stand watching either of those two. Henry was a bumbling idiot, supposedly a Colonel? Disliked Trapper too. Both were married, and both were horndogs. At least Hawkeye was single. I liked the years with BJ, Potter and Charles much better. They were intelligent and skilled. Their characters had layers to them.

@markmarsh27

I rented Loretta Swit a car when she was doing a play in Toronto in the early '90's, delivered it to her hotel. I was shy to meet her, (BIG M.A.S.H. Fan here!) but her shyness was far greater than mine, a very humble Lady, nothing "Diva" about her.

@gutenbird

Loretta said you never rented her a car and that she never met you. She told me that years ago.

@bzbzob

@gutenbird If you really knew her, you'd know she always talks about "The shy guy in Toronto." I doubt you even know her man.

@gutenbird

@Robert Tiernan I think she may have mentioned this weird guy who hung out by the water cooler.

@peterm1826

😏

@gerimartin8514

I loved MASH I still look around to see it's on.

@mandychapin9411

The cast didn't have dressing rooms, or any bathrooms for that matter. The entire set was very bare bones, and they had no comfort what so ever. They got a pretty good idea how an actual MASH unit lived.

@jerryhuculiak9681

I couldn't stand Alan Alda lol! The rest of the cast was great!

@trajan75

Mash was a great movie the TV show was based more on that movie than on the original book

@Steven-re7xt

My tenure in the army. Early 1970,s. I saw a chopper going in and out of west fort hood the pilot wore a different uniform. We traced this chopper to the 777ranch off hi way 190 west from west ft hood. Taking our findings to my commander. The co got angry and told us with a red face to quit this now it's hard enough to get work for the locals and the 777ranch folks could find a new site. Cause a loss work. "Getaway now" drop it" or find yourselves in the jug. Just our secret by by now 😂

@der22672

Pretty sure it was Gary Burghoff that Alan didn’t name. It was common knowledge that he was difficult to work with and he didn’t get along with the rest of the cast.

@gregoryboyd7176

Actually, a few cast members have been pretty candid about how they resented Alan Alda's ego snatching up so much creative control of the series and this was the real reason why both McLean Stevenson and Wayne Rogers abruptly left the show. Once he became a producer on M*A*S*H it became nothing but a showcase for the "Hawkeye Pierce" character with every episode centered around Alda instead of the ensemble performances of both Altman's original film and the first few seasons of the TV show. In fact, one crewman at the time was heard to have said that M*A*S*H really stood for "More Alda Shi**y Histrionics."

@davidmitchell6873

It was Burgoff.

@rexpayne7836

Great content and presentation. Love all your videos.

@danawrigleywalkingstickand5677

Richard Hornberger was the doctor's real name and Richard Hooker was the pseudonym. One minute in and you have the facts 100% wrong. Big grain of salt for the remaining 10 minutes.

Side note, when my brother nearly cut his thumb off with an ax (we were kids at the time) Dr. Hornberger was the ER doc who fixed him up. He worked at our local hospital until his retirement.

@chrislubs1341

MASH TV version illustrates how marketing a notable movie degrades to comply to commercial network TV mentality. Here a cynical depiction of the absurdity of war in Vietnam (‘sanitized’ by staging as an earlier stupid war in Korea) turned into a more palatable pablum, sellable as prime time TV farce. There were occasional worthy bits, often involving the new character Major Charles Winchester (David Ogden Stiers). War remains essentially demented, absurd human created suffering, an inexcusable tragedy.

@chaoticcanyon2081

I heard Gary Burghoff was very difficult on set with all the cast. I'd say it was him.

@marisalombardi385

Alan Alda, simply irreplaceable ❤

@georgenauert9370

In the original movie radar was a real good as a trouble maker, like when he put a hot mic 🎤 under hot lips bed. In the tv series, the older he got the nicer guy he was. I think a lot of actors would have trouble with the script getting softer.

@christelheadington1136

In the book he was tall and skinny, and his big ears stuck out, "like radar dishes".

@canalesworks1247

The TV series infantilized Radar as it went on. They tried to fix it when he was wounded, but it didn't really work well.
His last episode on the show just made him look cranky and bitter, as though the actor wanted to break the 4th wall and kill what the character had become.

@suehart919

Margaret did not wear Klinger's wedding gown. She wore a gown that his uncle Zak had worn to get out if WW 1 or WW 2.

@ChrisJones-gx7fc

One other MASH fact is a fire destroyed the outdoor film set while they were in the process of filming the series finale, and so the later part of the finale and last episode filmed were filmed in a different location. The fire was incorporated into the plot of the finale.

Another is Klinger’s hometown of Toledo, OH is also Jamie Farr’s hometown, and Hawkeye is the only character from a fictional place (I’m actually curious what the creative decisions behind those were).

@GeoffCK

Trout

@judypasqualone3819

I still watch it every weekday morning. Dvr records 6 episodes and I randomly watch off and on till evening…then I’ll delete and start over again the next morning. It’s 8:19 am now and I have it on the tv.😀😀❤

@kimtreneman-pape6107

I learned a lot from this show.

@juliewaterfield1804

so who was the co-star that alan alda couldn't stand ???????

@chenoamiller7177

I was going yo ask the same thing😊

@juliewaterfield1804

@Chenoa Miller sort of makes you feel deflated, like your waiting then nada

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@dthomas9230

The gun?

@juliewaterfield1804

@D Thomas lol could be, you never know