Idiotic
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Excrementory Grindfuckers Ah, nein!…
Half Tangerine It is my mouth you should know by now, I′m gonna…
Kat Onoma Say this is deeper so much fresher and clearer than…
Mental I know that I'm trapped in such a shallow space I…
The Mental I know that I'm trapped in such a shallow space I…

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Elements Yeah, I think I lost my cool Think I lost my…
Eternal (Yuh, cuz we gonna make it one day) (One more time…

Hair She asks me why, I'm just a hairy guy I'm hairy…
Intruder I wanted to find my gun, my lady runs to…
jazz Hey love how you doing I know it's been a long…
q Yeah I'm riding on the block Catch me fucking ops Smoking co…
Rise I know that we took a break, so I’m back…
shadow of the night There's no one left to caress my inner child Constant berati…
Suffer little boy Come, they told me pa-rum pum pum pum Our newborn King…
The Bounce Yea just let it ride Imma go all way through with…
The Hike All the gangsters out that third stop That mutherfuckin' bul…
Visions (I concentrate) For all this time I'm hitting the line These…

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Most interesting comments from YouTube:

Will Selander

39w↑4

I think that it's not so much of a lack of intelligence on orochimaru's plans as him becoming impatient and over ambitious.

When it comes to Sasuke, as we all know, the sound 4 failed to bring him in time to switch bodies with him when he was younger that, coupled with the sealing of his arms caused him to desire the "perfect vessel" further and in shear desperation (plot armor as well) he wanted him to be the strongest he could possibly be to have his sharingan be as strong as it possibly could be (assuming he did not know how the mangekyo was awakened yet).

Ambition can be toxic and bliding to even the most intelligent beings. History in humanity shows this.

I agree with 5 of what you said and loved the video!

Keep it up!!!!

Doomsday

39w↑18

Orochimaru didn’t even need to tempt Sasuke; he needed a new body at that exact time and he had already infiltrated Konoha without any attention.

He could’ve easily lured Sasuke off alone and knocked him out, then taken him back to his base to take his body. Could’ve done it at any time.

And that had to be his primary aim too, as he just fled after killing Hiruzen. He didn’t do anything else to Konoha, even though he had won. So why did he do all that just to leave everything hinging on the chance that Sasuke would be tempted to join him?

That short-sighted idiocy is what allowed Sasuke to train hard enough to defeat Orochimaru before he could take over his body. I never liked how easily Sasuke defeated him and how stupid it made Orochimaru look to actually have trained him when he could’ve just kept him drugged and locked up.

Would’ve honestly have fitted better in my opinion if Orochimaru had done that, only for Sasuke to escape with Karin’s help around the time that his body would be taken. He’d then form Hebi and go after Itachi. He’d be barely any stronger than before, putting him at the roughly same level as Naruto in Shippuden (because Naruto didn’t learn jack even when Jiraiya had every reason to train him to be as strong as possible).

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Wyndell Lee the Spammer

39w↑778

I realized that Orochimaru could've reanimated his parents at any time.

Lossandthepanda

39w↑105

S-shut up..

Slipstreamz

39w↑54

Bruh

ℂ𝕙𝕣𝕠𝕞𝕒𝕎ℝ𝕃𝔻𝟡𝟡𝟡

39w↑155

Did he have their dna

Edit: wait nvm he knows where their bodies are buried

Jeremiah Derosier

39w↑26

Smh 🤦‍♂️ while lmao 🤣

Terry Holley

39w↑70

Hol up u jus fucked me up with that one i never thought about that

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lnsflare1

39w↑415

Hiruzen (surveying the corpses following the Uchiha massacre): "Hey, Uchiha normally have eyes, right?"

Danzo (hiding his arm behind his back): "No, you must be thinking of a different family."

Lady Grayce

39w↑122

Hiruzen: that seems-
Danzo: activates Koto'amatsukami
Hiruzen: completely legit, you're so smart Danzo, and attractive too. have I ever told you that I'm nothing without you and you'd've been a much better Hokage than me?

Hella Spoicey

39w↑56

@Lady GrayceThat’s now canon

Channing Pappe

39w↑6

@Lady Graycesounds like a shipfic

Sea Atly

39w↑15

I think Danzo went gravedigging vs stealing rhem straight after the massacre and lets be honest, its more danzos style desecrating graves after the funeral

Francisco Cota

39w↑12

@Lady Grayce That would absolutely explain Hiruzen's flawed ruling.

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Wholfe Black

39w↑144

I think Orochimaru isn't necessarily stupid, it's most likely that he developed an extreme obsession with the Uchiha brothers because of their visual prowess and he didn't want to settle for second best by just possessing a random Uchiha member's body thus he didn't think as rational and logical as he always used to. Even the most intelligent people become stupid whenever they crave for something so badly. (It was still pretty dumb for Orochimaru to train Sasuke powerful enough to also reverse the living corpse reincarnation though.)

MF Shroom

39w↑9

Or maybe their visual prowess wasn’t the only reason he picked them. He may never have explicitly given any other reasons but if you think about it Itachi and Sasuke are both very talented at taijutsu and shuriken jutsu and physical talent is a factor in both. If Orochimaru had taken over their bodies then he would’ve had access to those gifts as well, gifts which the vast majority of Uchihas couldn’t match.

It’s also likely that Orochimaru knew about the MS and knew that it could only be awakened by Uchihas, meaning that he wouldn’t have been able to awaken it if he simply stolen an Uchiha’s eyes.

Sam2.0

39w↑2

Plot hole ngl

Averyone

39w↑2

@Sam2.0plot device, orochomaru is a supporting character that made sasuke stronger thats it lol

Baphomane

39w↑2

@MF Shroomwrong Kakashi awakes a MS by Rins suicide through his Chidori. So he could awake one too, but you can make the argument that bc he doesn‘t love anybody it will be borderline impossible, but it would be possible. I agree on the first half of your comment, he wanted the best body

MF Shroom

39w↑8

@Baphomane question is, did Kakashi’s MS awaken because he saw Rin die or because Obito saw Rin die?

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Isaac Espinoza

39w↑218

Funny thing, the way i understood it as a kid was "oroshimaru wants the sharingan because it enables him to understand all ninjutsu inmediatly and it would speed up his goal of aquiring all ninjutsu knowledge but he need to be on an Uchiha body or he wold be running out of chakra constantly like kakashi"

Sean Mckenzie

39w↑44

Better reasoning than the show itself really

Milfeulle100

39w↑36

@Sean Mckenzie No that is the reasoning in the show. Orochimaru wanted an Uchiha body because it is compatible with the sharingan. Otherwise he would have had loads of opportunities to steal sharingan eyes before the Uchiha massacre.

Sean Mckenzie

39w↑10

@Milfeulle100 I was referring not to the acquisition of the sharingan itself but to the fact that the sharingan increases learning speed. Orochimaru expressed no interest in that particular ability in the show despite knowledge being his overarching goal. He seems solely interested in the power it gives and it follows logically from this that he would pass up on from learning aids from corpses for more efficient power sources from the living but that is in partial conflict with his previous stated goal. He can’t use the sharingan to learn if he can’t get one, pursuing a living target makes getting one more difficult, therefore just take one from a corpse. He nonetheless doesn’t do this which lead to the original comment and my reply.

SaintTezzus

39w↑2

@Sean MckenzieI agree

TrenchCoat Dingo

39w↑8

shadow clone could help with that just make clones and get them to practice jutsu then make them poof you gain all the knowledge of that clone

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Slipstreamz

39w↑531

I love how the show tries to convince the viewers that the Uchiha and certain characters are intelligent when almost everything they do ends out working against them...

Jelle

39w↑46

Uchihas make decisions by heart instead of brain

Jacob Hayes

39w↑51

I mean I just think Kishimoto did a poor job of showing true intelligence either way. Usually it was just logic vs emotion. Or Battle IQ vs Battle IQ. Which is a little different

Reed

39w↑11

It’s my personal head canon that the Uchiha are hella autistic (I say that as a person with autism/Asperger’s).

Devin Willis

39w↑10

⁠⁠@ReedNot a bad take honestly. They are a internal clan which means a lot of inbreeding. Which also makes the whole transition from MS to EMS being mandatory for “close relatives” for it to work kinda pointless since technically they’re all close relatives. But your take could be plausible do to the intellectual abilities of someone diagnosed with Aspergers.

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Laurentiu Motos

39w↑285

He didn't just want a sharingan, he wanted a young and healthy uchiha body so that he could control the sharingan and have the chakra reserves to be able to use if effectively, he can't research that, otherwise Danzo would've been able to turn off the sharingan he stole from Shisui, there would have been no reason for his eye to be covered in bandages.

Jaaaaaffff

39w↑27

And I thought he wanted the sharingan, not as an end to itself but to copy other jutsu.

Shawn Mohr

39w↑8

Using Earth Grudge Fear to claim sharingan ought to change the requirements, no? I mean, Orochimaru obviously doesn't have that technique, but if they did. . .

Laurentiu Motos

39w↑29

@Shawn Mohr As far as I understand it, the requirement is an Uchiha body. That's why the sharingan was so taxing on Kakashi in the first part of OG Naruto, he didn't have the body of an uchiha even though he had the sharingan, that's why he kept collapsing or draining himself after using it. Earth Grudge Fear might help? It would change his body for sure but there's no real way to know if an earth grudge fear body would be compatible with the sharingan or not. Speculate away :)

Hella Spoicey

39w↑17

Also Sasuke was a perfect host, meaning orochimaru could stay in his body a full lifetime instead of switching every 3 years

Oskars Zile

39w↑1

And i would i assume he hast learned his body replacement jutsu at that point either so he couldnt have used any random uchiha

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Profitglutton

39w↑55

Orochimaru’s biggest mistake was waiting until he was on his deathbed before trying to take over his body. He was just unlucky that his 3 year time limit worked in Sasuke’s favor for his body to start rejecting him at the same time Sasuke was at his strongest.

Xpectre

38w↑9

oh, that's some bad timing for Orochimaru, Waiting until the last minute definitely didn't work in his favor.

LightArc

32w↑2

He couldn’t do the body transfer, it’s on a 3 year cooldown basically

CNgotham

29w

That's the problem with the jujutsu you have to do it when your on your deathbed as the jujutsu takes 3 years to do.

Antwain Clarke

39w↑19

How is he stupid when everything worked out for him in the end? He is not only immortal and super intelligent but he now has the blessing of the Hokage dispite waging war against the Hidden Leaf. He got everything he wanted and then some

Zekana0

37w↑5

he can be stupid and ABSURDLY lucky at the same time mate.

Sterenn

30w

Being stupidly lucky isn't being intelligent.

CNgotham

29w

@Sterenni mean he was lucky and intelligent as you have to be intelligent to being to control a zetsu body to begin and tbh most of the flaws mentioned in this video has as explanation. Like can't you only use the jujutsu of taking over a body every 3 years then during the forest of death arc orchimaru probably couldn't use the jujutsu by then. He also wanted a sharingan to copy jujutsus and having a Uchiha body means he would still have good chakra is why he didn't just take the sharingan's. And look at what happen to the immortal dio I think orchimaru wanted better immortality then that lol.

Zachary Wright

27w

That plot armor is bullet proof

Michael Vivens

39w↑108

I think the reason why Orochimaru did not take the eyes, because taking eyes and sharingan became BS overtime. For example the sharingan was supposed to be weaker the byakugan. Then it was able to all this crazy shit. Also we didn't know Kakashi got his sharingran until Shippuden where taking eyes became a thing. So once Orochimaru was locked into this storyline it makes his charecter look stupid.

Queen Violet

39w↑17

Like we see the sharingran in Kakashi's face during wave. It has to be covered and there is a scar right where the eye is. We are also told all the Uchiha are dead expect for sasuke and his brother. It's a pretty duh 1 + 1 = 2 of course someone gave him that eyeball kind of thing. It really does not need to be spelled out. He is not a Uchiha. He had an eye injury. Now he has magic eye. Wonder how that happened?

Blackfox413

39w↑20

Well you have to remember that implanted Sharingan aren't the same as natural born Sharingan. In every instance where someone planted a Sharingan into them, it's almost always active and constantly draining their chakra when their Sharingan eye is open. Orochimaru wanted a body that could fully control the Sharingan. So rather than surgically implant it into him, he'd rather transfer himself into an Uchiha body and acquire it that way.

Quentin Jones

39w↑1

@Blackfox413yeah even Itachi said in order to beat him, you would need Sharingan and the body for it

Lå Skurtance IXIXII

39w

@Blackfox413and he was right

HC

39w↑3

Byakugan>>> normal sharigan

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LeFanu

39w↑113

I want to add some stupid decisions of Orochmaru here.
- He did not serve with only 2 immortals. He also had the opportunity to learn with Sasori how to be immune to old age.
-He was very, very keen in using the sharingan, but never gave a dang about the rinnegan that he knew Nagato had.
-He can create very powerful bodies, like Mitsuki.... He could just create the perfect body with no mental resistance and posses it.
And just an addendum. Between his own village, multiple hideouts and research, I am sure Orochimaru is very rich, or at least can be if he wants... He really could just pay Kakuzu to teach his immortality to him. After all Kakuzu values money over everything else.

Shawn Mohr

39w↑10

You're absolutely right - we know Jiriya is loaded from all the missions (and book deals), it was a big deal that Sunadae had gambled it all away, so yeah, Orochimaru should be loaded. I'm sure they've done all kinds of shady deals with feudal lords along the way to boot. I'll concede that maybe their experiments have a lot of overhead, but still.
But I'm sure you see that Orochimaru with Earth Grudge Fear has two lines of immortality, no real threshold on the powers they can acquire, all the things that already make Orochimaru a terror - basically they become OP as fuck.

N.

39w↑15

He could have used Edo summons to go after itachi instead of his brilliant plan of walking past him, turn around, grab him with his snakes, looking him directly in the eye and say "gottcha" and explain to him what hes trying to do WHILE LOOKING AT HIM IN HIS EYES.
Like he he could have easily grave rob some Aburame graves , edo summon them and used them to poision itachi from like miles away.

Joshua Perry

39w↑14

Orochimaru definitely knew that nagato was wayy out of his league with the rinnegan, if orochimaru couldn't handle getting his hands on an uchiha with sharingan there's no way he'd be able to take over a FULL BLOODED UZUMAKI who leads a terrorist organisation with a dojutsu which is even more powerful and mysterious than the sharingan.

But yeah all your other points are completely valid 😂

Joshua Perry

39w↑3

@N. bro the point wasn't to kill Itachi, orochimaru was trying to take over his body. After confronting Itachi orochimaru realised that even if he was capable of taking Itachi down he wouldn't be able to take over Itachi's body cause he was simply too strong

N.

39w↑2

@Joshua Perry i know that. I didnt mean poison to kill him. I meant poison to weaken him and kidnap him

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FlashVash

39w↑34

I honestly think orochimaru has tunnel vision so to speak. Everytime he sees something he wants thats all he focuses on

EAguapo

39w↑131

The shot at Seththepedo was funny af at the end 😂

Garsto

39w↑8

Allegations against Seththeprogrammer?

EAguapo

39w↑17

@Garsto yeah that was exposed a while back

pack2500

38w↑2

Wth happened with Seth?

Trev

38w↑3

It confused me tbh. I need to know the tea

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Blackfox413

39w↑30

My typical approach towards filler storylines is that they're canon unless they're directly contradicted by the mainline story. So in the instance of much of Orochimaru's escapades, it can be assumed that those are mostly canon since the material doesn't really provide us with anything contradicting them.

Jack Gonahieu

39w↑3

Danzo was working with Orochiramu to develop wood style, according to the filler he learned about Yamato after Orochiramu left. He should've already know about Yamato's existence prior to that.

Xpectre

38w↑2

fair enough, mate. everyone's got their own way of viewing filler storylines.

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Sega Stars

39w↑12

When it comes to Orochimaru, his main goal is to master every jutsu in existence and the Sharingan would be a HUGE help in his research in accomplishing this because the Sharingan's ability to understand techniques used in front of it and then there is the Rinnegan, which if you combine that with the Sharingan's copy abilities, you can master literally every jutsu in existence, so long as it is not a body type Kekkai Genkai like Shikotsumyaku.

The Sharingan would make learning the secrets of Ninjutsu a lot easier. He could have just implanted a Sharingan into himself with the many eyeballs he had, but then he would run into the same issue as Kakashi with the Sharingan draining Orochimaru of all of his chakara, plus it is shown that dojutsu's true power can only be used by the owner, which is why Nagato, through all of his training and mastery of Madara's Rinnegan, didn't have access to Limbo: Border Jail. Orochimaru doesn't want these limitations.

His best bet was to get Sasuke while he was young, due to him not having mastery of his Sharingan, but that went down the drain after Sasuke had time to train. Now that I think about it, it may have been better if Orochimaru just restrained Sasuke during the 3 year period until he was able to switch bodies again, this way Sasuke wouldn't have had the advancement to fight back. The down side to this though is that Orochimaru will have to work overtime to build Sasuke's body back up and he would have to do it in a hurry because at some point, Itachi will find out and then it's game over.

Aaron Frost

39w↑21

I recently rewatched og naruto, and started to think about what caused kimimarus chackra illness. Then it hit me. I believe it was the earth curse seal itself. Either orochimaru developed the heaven seal after realizing the earth seal caused the chakra illness, or the earth seal was supposed to be a stronger version of the heaven seal, but a mortal body couldn't handle the power given leading to the chakra illness similar to what happened to naruto after having all the tailed beast chakra in him for 16 years. Hence why everyone else got a heaven seal.

Dr0g

39w↑5

Potentially, but I think it was probably more likely bone cancer or something similarly related to being a unique illness derived from the Dead Bone Pulse. (My headcanon is that the All-killing-Ashbones (which is supposedly the ancestral version of the Dead Bone Pulse) chakra builds up if it isn't used and might have been leaking out of his bones into the rest of his body, being resistant to it but not immune.)

Hella Spoicey

39w↑2

Anko had the cursed seal of heaven first. She would have been given the curse then abandoned and gone back to the village around the same time Kimimaro became an orphan. Orochimaru might have abandoned her because he found Kimimaro.

Aaron Frost

39w↑1

That's true, and the earth seal could have been developed to better the 1 in 10 chance of success.

Xpectre

38w↑3

While the exact cause of Kimimaro's chakra illness is not explicitly stated in the series, your explanation about the Earth Curse Seal potentially causing it does make sense. It's possible that the power of the Earth Seal was too much for a mortal body to handle, leading to the chakra illness.

marianopie

39w↑13

Nick you're forgetting the fact that when Sasuke killed Orochimaru, Orochimaru was weak asf because his body was rejecting him AND he had his arms sealed by Hiruzen too

Kira Vampira

39w↑3

It was saddening to see Orochimaru in such poor condition. Made me wish I could crawl in that bed and play with his beautiful hair🐍

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Red

39w↑136

Orochimaru might have indeed asked Hidan to tell him about Jashinism and he decided against it for two possible reasons:

1. Whatever ritual that grants immortality has a high failure rate. The reason why we don’t see anymore Jashinists (unless you want to count the Boruto episode) might be because Hidan was the only survivor when he tried it with the rest of his cult.

2. Orochimaru did not want to become dependent on an entity that could always just take away his immortality, which could possibly mean instant death, if he ever did anything to displease it. Not to mention, Orochimaru’s ego might prevent him from becoming subservient to anyone other than himself.

I can’t think of a good reason why he didn’t just pay Kakuzu to teach him Earth Grudge Fear.

MegaHI32

39w↑11

I think actually Earth Grudge Fear might be more limited then we know, as it seems to be the only thing Kakazu can do, maybe by using it you become less able to perform different kinds of jutsu

SnapeInvader

39w↑1

He probably didn't want to have to take on two Akatsuki at once.

FutureCreator

39w↑12

@MegaHI32 That's kind of what I assume as well. Orochimaru has a ton of body modification techniques and it seems like Earth Grudge Fear would make pretty much all of those as well as any other similar techniques permanently inaccessible.

Red

39w↑1

@MegaHI32 Well, the arc with Hidan and Kakazu was rushed because Kishimoto was apparently in the hospital, so I imagine that explains why we do not see him do much and why Hidan does not show any other abilities besides his ritual.

Xpectre

38w↑4

hmm, interesting theories, mate. Orochimaru's desire for immortality definitely had its risks, and he was quite the independent type. As for Kakuzu, maybe Orochimaru just didn't want to part with his precious ryo.

Reed

39w↑21

1:25 It speaks more of the intelligence of the author, as well as the time they have to think. The characters can’t be clever if the author isn’t clever. Also, a writer can only come up with clever tricks and plans so many times, especially when they’re crunched for time as much as mangakas. As a writer myself, my over-taxed planinator has been a kiss of death for many of my stories. That, and finding a logical way to connect different plotlines. It takes a lot of planning, and every writer is bound to screw up somewhere, even when they have enough time and are incredibly smart. So I think we should cut Kishimoto some slack.

Reed

39w↑2

Kishimoto’s Naruto definitely has many distinct theme to it, intriguing characters, cool ideas, and some really good world-building. All things considered, it’s a pretty good story, despite its flaws and some of the fucked up ideological undertones (but many of those are common in anime).

Xpectre

38w↑1

totally agree, dude, Writing is tough, and even the most talented authors can have their limitations. Kishimoto did a great job overall, considering the complexity of the Naruto series.

Xpectre

38w↑2

@Reed yeah, Naruto has its ups and downs, but overall it's a pretty good story with interesting characters and cool ideas. And, uh, those ideological undertones... well, anime can be a bit funky like that sometimes.

Reed

38w

@SOLDAT_MENDES I’m particularly referring to the way certain personality traits and pre-dispositions are presented in bloodlines. In real life, that’s not even close to the case. But it makes racism look justified, when applied to the real world. The Uchiha clan is the main example of this, as their basically pre-disposed to being evil or hateful because of their DNA. The ideology of the Will of Fire is also totally an ultra-Nationalistic ideology, all about valuing the individual nation at the expense of all others. Then there’s misogyny, which surprised nobody. But it’s a little disturbing that these themes are so common in anime. I’d say it’s worse in shows like DBZ (the Saiyans, the demeaning of women like Videl, glorifying violence, etc.)

Xpectre

38w↑1

@Reed Yeah, it's important to remember that personality traits and predispositions aren't determined by bloodlines in real life. It's unfortunate when these ideas are presented in a way that can justify racism. Anime can sometimes portray certain themes like the Uchiha clan's predisposition or the Will of Fire ideology, but it's crucial to recognize that these are fictional elements. It's understandable to be concerned about the presence of misogyny and glorification of violence in shows like DBZ. It's important to promote inclusivity and respect in all forms of media.

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D. Sage

39w↑18

Orochimaru also worked along side Sasori and if you think about it Sasori is kind of immortal himself so if the zombie duo was a bust he had a third option.

Hella Spoicey

39w↑5

Sasori didn’t have blood
No blood = no summoning = no snakes

Baphomane

39w↑1

@Hella Spoicey+ if hes a puppet is assume he cant pull off the weird jutsus where he crawls out auf his kinda own bodies mouth when hit or expand his head etc

Hella Spoicey

39w

@Baphomane Good point

J Cru

39w↑10

Orochimaru is the anime Henry Kissinger. But the Minato one shot is a dedication to kishimotos wife. I think she helped him write Naruto like how kushina helped name the rasengan. Its also the last moment in the one shot which came after boruto ended, which his wife wrote. Kishimoto has a lot of parallels in his relationship and naruto and minatos relationships.

loller noob

39w↑1

It was also a constant plot point that sasuke's will was strong enough to repress and sort of control his curse mark, especially with it sealed. The reason he was able to beat Orochimaru was the sharingan gave him a perfect understanding of orochimaru's possession jutsu, and his will gave him the strength to use that understanding to resist him and win against the sannin's takeover. Orochimaru did not realize that the very reason he desired the sharingan gave an uchiha the ability to defeat him at his own game. Itachi only put Orochimaru in a genjutsu when he attacked, so he did not realize his mistake until it was time to take over sasuke. More than the training, having that emotional fight with naruto at the end gave sasuke the perfect sharingan he needed to pull that off. Really cool rythym and narrative beats in the story, at least til the latter part of shippuden

JeffOf813

39w↑28

I could have sworn that orochimaru states, or someone else did about orochimaru, that he didn't want to implant a sharingan because then it would be always active like danzo and Kakashi, which would both make it obvious that he now has it, and also wouldn't allow him to use it fully, plus orochimaru isn't known for stamina, he's known for hacks... which makes me wonder how much he regenerates or loses when he does one of his multiple way of replacing his body.

N.

39w

Considering how stupidly easy it is for medical ninja to perform eye replacements in the story couldnt he just carry the eyes around in a jar, and pop them in whenever he wants to use them. By a jar i mean like one of those containers Obito had all the sharingans of the Uchiha preserved.
This applies to Kakashi too, the dude who has to take a paid leave every time he used the sharingan at least until mid shippudden. why didnt he carry obitos eye in a jar. If he did he wouldnt have any problems with chakra AND have access to the sharingan when needed.

Infinite Improvement

39w↑3

@N."oh no a powerful Shinobi. Hey powerful foe who wants to kill me, do you mind giving me a sec to pop in my sharingan real quick?"

C'mon... Even if that was feasible, you still have the same issue with faster chakra/stamina drain

N.

39w

@Infinite Improvement hahah, fair point. but i didnt mean pop it in in the middle of battle. U cant tell me that Kakashi for example wouldnt have a much better time doing other shit if he did that. like sure if hes going to battle equip the eye, but what about literally all other times

rudane gordon

39w

This is the reason he didn't implant it Nick come on. Plus for him to take Sasuke in the forest of death would be a waste as the body would give up in 3 years and if he can't survive the curse make that's a waste too. So just of his mistakes just fall on poor writing as well as some is just on that it wouldn't make sense for all that to happen in the story

JeffOf813

39w

Lol "equip it" or pull it out in a battle like it's a potion of perception lmao

LaQuadrian Lewis

39w↑2

After watching that video I realized something if Orochimaru really wanted too in Boruto by now he could of make an Rinnegan for himself along time ago since he already has the DNA 🧬 from the clans necessary to make it. And now he could make a perfect vessel for himself at anytime to housed his consciousness for it now. It may take awhile for the Rinnegan to appear but he can make one and live forever.

Daniel Zemer

39w↑2

Orochimaru absolutely should have learned Earth Grudge Fear. The fact taking a persons heart and organs makes one netter with nature releases means you migjt also be able to steal the heart of someone like Haku and not only be better with water release, you might now have ice release and be better with wind release. Orochimaru could go around and steal the organs of people with nature release kekkei genkai.

Grimstone

39w↑4

It's funny how Orochimaru was so close to creating a perfect karma seal with a curse seal.

BK

39w↑1

I always assumed Orochimarus body transfer jutsu also allowed him to take an abilities with him. So taking Sasuke or Kimimaros body would mean having the abilities proper for the remainder of his life.

Tancread of Galilee

32w

I don't think Orochimaru really makes the wrong choices perse. He just sort of stops caring about winning or losing by other people's standards at around the time he figures out the living corpse reanimation jutsu and becomes immortal. With that combined with the Curse Mark he's basically going to live forever no matter what.

Joshua Masunda

38w↑2

Another way he could've had em mortality was Jugo. That guy could literally change his age. Honestly I think you can do a video on how broke Jugo is or at how broken he could be if the plot cared about him at all especially now against ostustki

Claudiu

39w↑2

I realized that Orochimaru is capable of creating clones. He could easily create a clone of a Uchiha and take over it. The clones of Hashirama failed because of how powerful the cells were, but a Uchiha is mostly human asaid from the eyes. But noooo, he wants a fully grown fully trained young and powerful body.

Rigoberto Villalpando

39w

I believe orochimarus ego was so great/was so stubborn, he wanted to everything his way and only his way wether it was the best way or the hardest way. Also I’m sure Kishimoto had forgotten things he set up for his characters as he continued the story

Strykebolten

39w↑7

I always imagine Orochimaru is leading the Sound Village and scheming and laughing in the shadows meanwhile trolling the Leaf Village throughout the years with a shadow clone

Kira Vampira

39w↑5

Really like this theory, since I miss him as the main villain. No one in the whole series has even a quarter of his dark charm🐍

KayJay

39w↑2

theres also a possibility orochimaru didnt wanna take over sasukes body yet, even when sasuke attacked orochimaru, due to sasuke not having his MS ability at that point (nor his EMS), since he maybe wanted that aswell and very few uchias had MS and those that did were too strong to risk fighting and taking over.

Will Selander

39w↑4

Will Selander

39w

~~agree with all not 5~~ haha

Chris Turner

36w

I think it’s three things.
One: He does get obsessive and focused on one aspect of his goals and was admittedly running out of good Uchiha candidates
Two: he likely felt that Sasori, Hidan, and Kakuzu’s techniques toward “immortality” were cheap and limiting. They relied on others, left their humanity behind, didn’t give true power, or had to many weaknesses.
Three: I don’t think Orochimaru was really in complete control of all his faculties because of a constant mental struggle with the minds of those he’d possessed before.

khari amir

39w

One thing that could’ve been expanded upon is experimentation with beast summons. We saw that you can control and manipulate them with the Sharingan and six paths rods. But can you clone or do anything with “spirit dna” ?

I always thought it was interesting to see the Gold & Silver brothers literally eating the inside of Kurama to gain his chakra. Are they like… biologically, part tailed beast part human? Idk just curious..

rflame135

39w

I think the main issue is once they used the body switch technique they kind of locked themselves into it until they found a perfect vessel. Even if they did take over one of the zombie duo or just learned their techniques the soul that’s already suppressed is still going to deteriorate and drag them down too. I don’t think even replacing body parts or being technically unkillable would have saved them, only the perfect vessel could which they got through the white zetsu

Christian Karcher

38w

This is exactly what I’m thinking, the issue isn’t the bodies resiliency but the resistance of the previous soul

Unspoken Truths

39w↑9

I think there are 2 reasons why Orochimaru didn't just implant Sharingan in his body. 1stly, the same reason why Danzo and Kakashi had to cover their Sharingan, you can't use a implanted Sharingan like a Uchiha, they stay activated and if you don't cover them, they will drain your chakara until it kills you. He may have thought that if he took over a Uchiha, he could use the Sharingan like one (activate it, deactivate it, awaken the MS, awaken the EMS) and maybe he thought that if he just took over just 1 Uchiha, he would always be able to use the Sharingan, even if he implanted them in new vessels. The 2nd reason may also be high chakara usage as well. You know how after Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru and during the fight against Sasuke and Itachi, Sasuke ran out of Chakara and Orochimaru was able to be freed? Maybe Orochimaru was afraid that if he implanted a Sharingan into himself/his vessel, he would drain his body/his vessels body of too much chakara and the vessel would be able to take over once again? Maybe he thought if he consistently drained his body of too much Chakara or if he strained his vessels body from the usage of the Sharingan, he would speed up the degradation of his vessel?

Hella Spoicey

39w↑1

Makes sense

B W

39w↑1

This is Hella logical

pook pook

39w

I think Orochimaru was nerfed for plot reasons early in the show, someone that was acknowledged by Hanzo who could only be taken down by someone who could level a village in 1 attack, having to escape almost every fight. He even stood toe to toe with a cloaked naruto who lost control, something Jiraiya almost died locking back up in another point. And I feel he would've taken sasuke's body sooner but sasuke needed to be alive for plot reasons so he got shafted once again.

Joseph Rush

37w

I always assumed he would just take keki genki and such into his next vessel. Since the bodies wore out. I felt confirmed when I saw all the bodies in that weird place Sasuke reversed it on him. Although we never see orchimaru using keki genkis ,, have we seen him use wood still after he took the details body ?? I think he takes the abilitys from body to body. Orchimaru would probably have complained about loosing such a power for all of his efforts.

Famous Youtuber

39w

Purely theoretically couldn't Orochimaru just seal himself inside of someone skin to a jinchuuriki and then overpower them the same way tailed beasts theoretically can from the inside thus gaining bodily control?
I don't recall the sealing jutsu for the tailed beasts being ONLY applicable to tailed beasts.

Channing Pappe

39w

With Kakuzu and Hidan I’d think it could also be hard to convince them, find a good opportunity, and after Itachi he might be paranoid that powerful foes might be to hard to take over.

Wojtek Burzyński

39w↑2

In my head canon Orochimaru wanted Uchiha body to use sharingan without chakra overtaxing like Kakashi. A for curse mark I think he applied it to Sasuke because of how transference went with Itachi - he wanted to make sure that Sasuke would not resist. Also the fact that you can easily learn jutsu does not mean you will perform just as well in other areas.

Jacob Hayes

39w↑3

I find it funny how we expect characters to be so smart but don't factor in the writers intelligence level. In general I feel it is hard to write a character that is smarter than yourself or thinks differently. I mean I don't think anyone in the show really showed extreme brilliance. Battle IQ is different than having more intelligence. The writer will have to actually convey it correctly and I just don't think Kishimoto could pull that task off

TheHulkbuster13

39w↑1

I think orochimaru doesn’t have control of when he switches bodies. It happens once every 3 years usually his body at the time has reached his limit of rejecting him and thus if he doesn’t switch bodies he could along with his host body.

popular Stream

38w

For me I always wondered why orochimaru never took the body of a main branch hyuga, for my understanding even if the Byakugan isn't as strong as the sharingan it's still a dojutsu that originates from kagia/stages six paths/his brother and if you took the body of a main Branch hyuga then he doesn't have to worry about the curse mark and so he can just remove the eyes of the inhabited and replace them with the sharingan and not have the Byakugan rendered useless, that's whar I think though

Herick

39w

there're plenty of disadvantages of being a non-Uchiha with a Sharingan. even though Orochimaru had enough chakra control to maintain it, it's very unlikely that he'd be a user as capable as a true blood Uchiha. (And yes, Kakashi IS an exception). So his quest still has a lot of sense. Also, just like Hidan and Kaku, he found his own form and type of immortality. I don't think following their method of immortality was something of his interest, specially because we don't fully understand the sacrifices likely necessary to achieve those.

Sam Lynn

35w

I think Orochimaru got too wrapped up in his scheming. He enjoyed the scheming so much he kinda missed the big picture. By the time of Boruto he's chilled out and maybe got some therapy so he doesn't let himself get side tracked as much as a result he's a happier and better adjusted person.

Levy doin stuff

36w↑1

Actually, even if Orchimaru figured out immortality he still would have to switch bodies because his original body is no longer available and the host would still reject him after 3 years

Wyndell Lee the Spammer

39w↑47

Orochimaru wasn't smart enough to learn that Sasuke could've turned on him at anytime when Orochimaru trained him.

Deshaun Delain

39w↑9

Well the curse mark was supposed make that a none factor…

Anton

39w↑11

He literally said "I knew you'd come for me"

rollmf'ntide13

39w

He knew he would have he just knew it f he did he could beat him but he sick and couldn’t at that point

C. M.

39w↑1

@Antonand made 0 precautions against that.

Anton

39w↑1

@C. M.he did, he knew Sasuke would weaken against Itachi. The only problem was not knowing about Totsuka Blade. Everything else was perfect.

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ZeriPanda Animations

39w↑1

I honestly expected you to talk about more than just a sharingan and honestly maybe he didn't see the urgency in getting a sharingan until the clan massacre happened and they became rare which was why he wanted to get Itachi's or Sasuke's and the reason he wouldn't implant them is because of 1) a lack of a perfect vessel meaning he'd have to switch and 2) the chakra cost on a non-Uchiha wielder of the Dojutsu.

Tyler Jones

32w

I think orochimaru represents hubris in the show and when he finally humbled himself he kind of got what he wanted hes got a nearly perfected clone who can carry on his will.

Ben Ojanen

39w↑2

Also, why didn’t Orochimaru use shadow clones when studying? Through them he could have at least double all the experience and knowledge he was gaining and he probably has enough chakra to increase it tenfold, twentyfold, maybe even a hundredfold (yes making a ton of clones is a forbidden Justu but he’s literally trying to learn all of those. With a big enough increase in learning maybe he wouldn’t even need immortality as he could stretch the time he does have like crazy.

dragon3010lol

39w↑4

probably didn't have enough chakra to do so effectively.

Jacob Hayes

39w↑3

I mean Kishimoto was pulling things out of his butt left and right. It would be nice to think he would have thought of all this but I think the show turned out alright without covering every base

Marikka

39w

Orochimaru followed the same line of thinking that most power hungry people follow. The "necessary sacrifices" that are made are never themselves, but all the benefits are. That is one reason why both Uchiha brothers found him distasteful and greedy. He destroyed so many other people's lives in pursuit of his immortality and collection of jutsu/abilities.

He would not use his 'own' body or shadow clone for an experiment. That is why he kidnapped so many and sweet talked (manipulated) the rest. He was studying how their bodies worked and the positive/negative aspects of their abilities before incorporating their DNA into his person. Then only incorporating once he determined it was safe, advantageous, and feasible to do so.

As far as the sharingan was concerned, he had already ascertained through research that the only way to truly unlock that ability is by having the unique physiology of an Uchiha. This is why he was so keen on obtaining Itachi and later Sasuke, they were the only Uchiha's around. He did research for and implanted eyes in Danzo with the use of Hashirama's cells, but was acutely aware of the downside of implanting the eyes into a person that lacked the Uchiha's core physiological traits.

MastarNinja

39w

Not really sure why you specified that making "ton of clones" was forbidden, when just making 1 shadow clone also is forbidden for how much chakra it actually take to make 1 without risking your own life. Like someone else said he probably just didn't have enough chakra to use it effectively for his researches. Kakashi said it himself, It's a method of training that pretty much only Naruto (and by extension other full-blood/half-blood Senju & Uzumaki) could pull successfully because just making 1 shadow clone divide your remaining chakra in half and Naruto, even without Kurama's chakra, could created a thousand of them with his own reserve all the way back in chapter 1.

Some things were also far beyond his reach, like the perfect Sage Mode, and as seen with Yamato and Mitsuki, he's more a biological clone than ninjutsu clone type of...snake...person?

MastarNinja

39w

@dragon3010lol I'm always surprise to see how many fan don't understand just how much chakra is required to make 1 single Shadow Clone. Like, there's a reason why even making 1 is forbidden.

Maxi Iroh

36w↑1

Orochimaru doesn't have a 3 year deadline when he gets a new body, it's that vessels need to be compatible to him and also need to be properly prepared for the technique.
The reason Orochimaru has to discard his old body in Part1, is bc of the sealing jutsu from Hiruzen, it didn't just damage his arms and ability to perform seals, he also damaged his chakra control, which impacted the stolen body.

Also he doesn't steal people's body to learn about their jutsu, he wants to take over their bodies bc they have powerful bodies with access to kekkei genkai, the Sharingan doesn't work properly on people outside the Uchiha clan and Kimmimaro's habilities can't really be stolen, that's why he wants the original body.
He was even able to replicate the Sound 5's habilities, even though some of them were Kekkei Genkai, like Kimmimaru, Kidoumaru and Sakon/Ukon.
Plus Juugo.

PS: The Curse mark 1/10 survival rate isn't random, it's about life force/will or something like that, so only the people with the strongest body/will survive.

Jeremiah Derosier

39w↑15

I have for a long time now wondered why Orochimaru didn’t take over one of the zombie duo’s bodies or didn’t ask Kakuzu how to use earth grudge fear.

Lå Skurtance IXIXII

39w↑2

They are not friends in the akatsuki, just stop saying that guys...

InfernosReaper

37w

@Lå Skurtance IXIXII Yes, but they have motivations that can be exploited, so, again, it makes no sense for him not to at least ask

Lå Skurtance IXIXII

37w

@InfernosReaper no they don't, and I would never share any secret jutsu with him but whatever

InfernosReaper

37w

@Lå Skurtance IXIXII One guy wants people to get into his cult stuff and the other wants material things.

Both of those are pretty easy ins, to be real

Jonas

32w

Just one note: His main goal wasn't knowledge as much as immortality, as the bigger motivator for him was the ephemeral nature of life. Hence the knowledge, so he could find a way to preserve oneself through death

Maximilian Raley

38w↑1

Great video brother! I always enjoy listening to your theories and podcasts while at work on my night shifts. Keep up the great work! Also, not too too much of a jerk, but screw what Seththeprogrammer thinks. He is a bully. Out of everyone making naruto videos and discussing backstories, theories, and lore, you do it the best! Your articulate, and keep things interesting, you also have a gift for storytelling and getting people interested.

Kinesis Sado

39w↑1

Orochimaru did almost take over sasuke body if you recall sasuke fight with itachi. Itachi spent the whole fight trying to goad sasuke into using the curse mark more so that he could seal the piece of orochimaru in the curse mark away. Essentially if it wasn’t for itachi (again), orochimaru would have eventually taken over sasuke body after sasuke frequently used the curse mark

Typh

39w

A devil's advocate point about the immortality thing: Wasn't orochimaru already body-swapping by the time he joined the akatsuki, so learning how to be immortal by that point wouldn't have really helped since he was stuck in his loop of having to get new bodies every three years? Learning how to be immortal from the other two wouldn't have really helped him all that much since he already had issues with bodies rejecting him - so he'd need a perfect vessel anyways.

Joel Lakeman

37w

Wasn’t Orochimaru’s obsession with Sasuke and Itachi due to the fact that he knew if he simply took a sharingan for himself, he would not have had access to their kekegenkai, thus going after them both, tho it wasn’t a great plan was the only way to access that power..he prolly knew it was a slim chance of him getting either brother but he took his shot..lol calculated risk

Wyndell Lee the Spammer

39w↑33

Even Mitsuki's smarter than Orochimaru.

Zoro_editz⚔️🗡️

39w↑1

I dont know how you cam have fans for doing what your username but im your buggest fan

VWTS

39w↑5

I mean Orochimaru must have designed him to be a better Orochimaru than Orochimaru so he MUST be smarter

Joshua Kaha

39w↑2

Why did ths translate to English as the exact same thing

Hella Spoicey

39w↑1

@Joshua Kahaspeaking in facts is a universal language

Xpectre

38w

haha, Mitsuki definitely has a sharp mind, Can't argue with you there.

Stanislav Kobezkyi

39w↑1

Orochimaru just needed to take that risk. He calculated that he needs an Uchiha body that is powerful enough to help him achieve his goal but not powerful enough to defeat him. That was greedy but that was his best shot. Also he wouldn't settle for an imperfect sharigan mastery from just inserting a sharingan in non-Uchiha body.

Krzysztof Mazurkiewicz

39w

Honestly if Orochimaru would figure out the immortality thing the same way that Hidan did (from Lord Jashin) and had good regeneration skill (which he does) i think immportality was in his grasp. That said we do not know how does Hidans body age. Maybe he cannot be killed but may die of old age? I think Orochimaru would need to "dig deeper" to figure it out ;)

michael reitz

39w

I think Orochimaru fills that role of "absolute genius, though he does lack common sense" very well. Sure, he's very smart, and sure, he knows the human body well, but when it comes to applying it in a way that is more simple, to the point, and in a way that lessens mistakes, he's seriously lacking there. By paying attention to him though, I think he doesn't go for Jashinism because he doesn't necessarily follow any religion and knows he won't become immortal if he doesn't follow it. With Kakuzu, he doesn't want to do it because he thinks going for the Sharingan is better since it would make it far easier to get all the jutsu in the world. Sure, he does learn after what Kabuto did, though it took the entire series for him to learn from his mistakes. If one also pays attention though, one would notice he does seem to take interest in Sasuke's, Kabuto's, and other people's growth under his wing. That could also partially influence why he doesn't go for Jashinism or Earth Grudge Fear since he would either 1) be forced to sacrifice the person through Jashinism, or 2) eventually get cornered enough to where he might go for the person's heart in Earth Grudge Fear. These beg the question though: why not go for the brain with Earth Grudge Fear? I hate pondering these questions though since it does go against my personal beliefs, so I'll leave it up to you guys.

L3 The Eagle

39w

I think orochimaru got over ambitious and it backfired on his moments he was really smart probably one of the smartest characters in naruto but even so his knowledge is limited and the fact that he could have made or taken sharinghan seems interesting however he probably wanted an authentic one if you remember he tells kakashi that he wants a real sharinghan not the one kakashi had I think he thought it would have been better to take the body of someone with a sharinghan rather than implant one plus implanted sharinghan don’t deactivate as shown with kakashi. Also I think if he had tried to take kakuzu he would have lost badly.

Austin Kruger

39w↑1

My thought is orochimaru wanted to un alive himself but still leave a impression on the future. Yes the man obsessed with living forever, think of all the evil he had done at any time he could have switched bodies to be at full strength again but why not, why become weak, why let your next vessel become stronger than you. Unless that wasn't what he really wanted. And new orochimaru is much younger version that didn't comment that evil he was told about it and saw what he let happen to himself. That is why orochimaru changed like that 👏

Friend Zone Photography

39w↑5

Orochimaru was plot stupid, because the plot didn't really need him. Think about his contributions to the show as a whole...

yandrakheartfire

32w

Probably the only objection I have is that orochimaryu didn't just want a sharingan to be like Danzo or Kakashi. He wanted the full kekei genkai to be 100% compatible with the doujutsu. And if he already believed that the rinnegan is an evolution from the sharingan, getting the full kekei genkai might provide him with that.

{ TheCount }

39w↑1

I think that Orochimaru is faced with a lot of bad circumstances. Kakuzu was immortal, and could get the abilities of other people, but it was shown that when the hearts were destroyed, so was the chakra from that heart, natures and all. Hidan was immortal, but that immortality would require 1) subservience to a god in exchange for maybe getting immortality (b/c there were no other Jashinists, Orochimaru likely thought it either made up, or something that only Hidan got), or 2) Hidan had a bloodline that made him immortal, and Orochimaru just could not implement it into someone and make it work. And given Boruto, I would not be surprised if Jashin was an Otsutsuki and the immortality was a Shinjutsu or whatever. Wait. Could the immortality be a Shinjutsu of that Otsutsuki god who we know died on the elemental nations, so maybe Hidan found the immortality technique where the body was, and just had the natural ability to use it. I don't know, but it is possible. But back to Orochimaru, the two types of immortality in the Akatsuki are prone to loosing abilities in combat (Kakuzu) and either dependent on another being or just a freak of luck that Orochimaru can't replicate (Hidan). And why Orochimaru never went for the Uchiha, I don't know, but maybe it was something like how they would have found if he kidnapped them when he was with the village, and how there is the drain from implanted Sharingan. There could also be a minimum requirement for power to have for the transfer, either one innate to the jutsu (i.e. they must have a certain amount of physical and/or spiritual energy to withstand the transfer) or from circumstances (i.e. if he went with less powerful people he ay be betrayed or killed by others). Or even something like having to use up time getting back to a sufficient level of power if he went into someone too weak.

kayman31

39w

Theres one thing youre forgetting, Sasuke is the reincarnation of the Sages son, Orochimaru knew this, i believe he knew this prior to going after Itachi. I think he wanted Itachi to be strong enough to combat going for Sasuke. Once he failed going for Itachi, he than decided to go for Sasuke while he was young and didnt fully understand who he was. I think he wanted to take over a mature Sasuke and in Itachis body he thought he had a chance to do so. So he took a gamble after his fail to go for Sasuke. I also believe he may have understood one of the conditions of Sasuke obtaining the Sages power and this is why he wanted Sasukes body in particular vs going for a random Uchiha. Itachi was the strongest body able to go for a mature Sasuke since Danzo made Shinsui kill himself. This is just my theory behind it all. But I it appears he knew and was trying to find a way to get him fully matured through Itachi, failed, and tried to get him strong but not too strong so that he wouldnt be too far off from obtaining the Sages power while he controlled Sasuke.

Dominik Walker

39w

I would love to see a what if video from you on "What if Kimimaro was healthy?" meaning he never got sick and Orochimaru actually was able to use him as a vessel. How that would change Orochimaru, the story, etc.

Crow Rising

37w

I feel like Orochimaru's blunder with Sasuke is more an issue with greed than intelligence. He tried to double dip on getting the Sharigan and a perfect vessel in one fell swoop instead of securing the Sharingan and acquiring a perfect vessel separately. It's possible to place a Sharingan into a non-uchiha body and use it, so if he had simply been less greedy it probably would have worked out better for him.

The more strange thing intellectually with Orochimaru was the disguise he used to get to Sasuke to begin with. Shiore was a Hidden Grass ninja who Orochimaru killed to disguise himself as for the purpose of infiltrating into the Chunin exams so he could get close to Sasuke. Small problem though, for some strange reason Shiore's outfit is remarkably similar to Orochimaru's own signature outfit that he had been using for some time before encountering and killing him (or her if you prefer the anime's English dub). The reason for the outfit similarity is never elaborated on so my best guess is that Shiore got manipulated into wearing those clothes somehow, which makes no sense from Orochimaru's perspective considering it largely amounts to Orochimaru disguising as himself. It's possible that he was once again double dipping by using Shiore to see if Konoha would find the outfit suspicious and therefore he would know if they had a lot of intel on him since his departure, but other than that the entire thing is just very... Strange and seems poorly thought out.

marcelo asensio filho

39w↑3

Hidan would be glad to include orochimaru in Jashinism and Kakuzu is money motivated enough that Orochimaru could get enough money to pay him to teach him earth grudge fear

Alec L

39w

Orochimaru with Earth Grudge Fear would be NUTS. He’d probably steal hearts from people with Kekkai Genkai since he’s already got a really good jutsu arsenal as is. Plus dude’s mad greedy you know he’d be trying to do the most with earth grudge fear if he had it

Thesourpatchkidd

39w

If Orochimaru has mastered or at least researched every jutsu then he does know how earth grudge fear and jahshinism works, which means he just didn’t want to use the two easier paths and opted instead for the much more complicated ones. Plus, there’s no reason to want Itachi’s dying body- if he couldn’t cure Kimmimaro then he wouldn’t have been able to cure Itachi either, so Itachi wouldn’t have been a good vessel for the same reason. In fact the true perfect vessel would’ve been either Naruto or Karin, the two Uzumaki’s with massive amounts of chakra, long life spans and incredible healing abilities and a sealing jutsu he could never ever attain without being an Uzumaki. It would actually solve the sharingan problem because you know who could use a sharingan and likely never experience any side effects? An Uzumaki with massive amounts of chakra and stamina. He never gave Karin a curse mark which means he either never tried to make her a vessel because she was a girl or because he was laser focused on an Uchiha, and if there’s anyone most likely to survive the cruse mark it would be Karin. Now we don’t know if her adamantite chains could have surpassed Orochimaru’s consciousness but that is a possibility- but since knowing for a fact a strong sharingan user can reverse his jutsu on him didn’t stop him from going for Sasuke why would it stop him from trying with Karin?

arrownoir

31w

That wouldn’t work. Orochimaru no longer has his original body. Even if he learned Kakuzu and Hidan’s secrets, the new body he implements those secrets in would still reject him after 3 years since there’s still another soul in there. It would still be the same dilemma and he would need a perfect vessel still.

Wardrobe Wings

33w↑1

Hidan's technique might have not worked for him for whatever reason, but why the heck he didn't collect DNA samples from Uchiha, create clones and indoctrinate them into being subservient? Much easier to accomplish than trying to take over Itachi or Part 2 Sasuke.

KayJay

39w↑1

isnt sasori also technically immortal, age wise, and he only used puppet skill which can be learned, and he could even implant his heart into another puppet much like he does already, but idk if he can use ninjutsu or genjutsu but he probably can.

Dea Phiri

38w

wasn’t Danzo’s arm made of Hashirama’s cells? this is heavily implied when he fights Sasuke and it starts to become unstable and turn into a tree

Valto

39w↑3

The burn to Seth at the end was maaaaaaaaaaad crazy, I love it, that was such a nonsensical thing of him to say, getting mad over some cartoons smh

mkian

38w

Orochimaru taking all the questionable hard routes and almost always succeed upon choosing said route says a lot about his intellect, the guy wants some challenge.

Dr0g

39w

I am just honestly so confused as to why Orochimaru didn't think to use his knowledge of genetics and his rampant access to Hashirama cells, Uchiha bodies and more to not just make hybrid clones of himself with Uchiha and Senju DNA mixed in at various ratios until he found a mix of the DNA that he could use permanently, with enough Uchiha DNA to have full Sharingan abilities, enough Senju DNA to reinforce his physical energy to enable easy Sage mode (and potentially wood release), and enough of his own DNA as a base to enable an easier time bonding to the new body, as we can infer that one's soul-chakra binds specifically to their own DNA from the stuff involving Edo Tensei and all.

DS

32w

The thing about Sasuke with Orochimaru is that Orochimaru had no arms...if he had arms then it's clearly stated that Orochimaru would have stomped Sasuke....unless you feel that Orochimaru himself was the one who taught Sasuke how to control his sharingan then you can argue that he shouldn't have taught Sasuke how to wield the power of Sharingan to that extent but if not then it can't be helped

ExeErdna

39w

The biggest screw up Orochimaru did was LET ANKO LIVE! She knew everything she was his perfect vessel; that still had some faith in him long after he abandoned her.

christopher perez

39w

I believe his flaw wasn't stupidity but arrogance. He couldn't believe anyone but Itachi would be capable of doing what Itachi did. So he assumed he'd be able to suppress Sasuke at that point.

TheDeityThighDealer

39w↑10

I also have to ask. Is it possible to put a Susanoo onto Hashirama's thousand hands? and if so why didn't Hashirama try it with Sasuke during the War Arc?

Lossandthepanda

39w↑13

Because Hashirama knew that seeing him with another Uchiha would break Madaras heart beyond repair

TheDeityThighDealer

39w↑2

@Lossandthepanda LMAO true

Kamden Roscher

39w↑1

I would think the only reason is that the thousand hands is a one use finisher move. At least that is how it is (attempted) to be used. I think it would have been interesting to see it on the wood golem that Hashirama actually uses for fighting.

rishi saaptacha

33w

@LossandthepandaHe already broke Madara's heart once during the war by rejecting his proposal.

Yamato

39w

Orochimaru learning earth grudge fear is scary.

Imagine him stealing a kidney (because humans don't need both to survive) from people like Deidara (+learning the hand mouths) and Mei. Now he has 3 Kekkei genkai. Or if mei is too strong, go to the Jinchuriki that Akatsuki killed and learn their Kekkei genkai, they are right there.

Now Gaaras perfect defense, another type of lava release, boil release and many more abilities are his.

Warren Rawlings

39w↑2

@20:00 I thought Orochimaru took a dive in that fight so he could ride in Sasuke's body rent free (since his body at this point is wrecked). In fact, because Orochimaru knew the akatski so well, Sasuke's illusions of them using their jutsu against him (in the case of Deidara especially) was more Orochimaru's work than Sasuke's. You know, because Orochimaru knew their methods. So I always thought him losing that fight was intentional. It was also a way of setting a trap for Itachi, because I'm SURE Danzo and Orochimaru discussed Itachi after the massacre.

Anton

39w

This is interesting

Notorious Grey

39w

That soul attack on seth at the end of the video :cry: Yeah, Orichimaru chose the hardest path to his goal for no discernable reason other than maybe mental illness obsession and even then, letting things get as risky for himself as possible. Great video, this was an interesting watch. It's nice when channels have original ideas about content we're familiar with.

Fozzy

38w

On the Kakuzu point, if he takes over Kakuzu's body surely the Akatsuki will just pulvarise him for betraying them.

Part of the reason imo he would go for Itachi over either of the immortal duo is that Orochimaru with Itachi's body defeats all of them other than Pain with very little difficulty.

It's technically the 'smart' choice if he can pull it off.

Similarly with taking over Sasuke's body in the forest of death I'd imagine Itachi would rock up pretty quickly and just crush him as sook as he found out.

Titan1

39w↑6

I think that watching Nick tear his hair out trying to rationalize Kishimoto's twisted and convoluted narrative reveals from later down the series is hilarious. - I don't think Orochimaru is stupid, or even foolish, I think that Kishimoto needed a narrative to happen and didn't understand the consequences of what he introduced within the web of the world the he created. Say what you wish about his writing skill, I think he's a hack that just happens to be skilled at creating interesting character hooks, but not interesting characters, and all the parts that we love about these characters came from filler or other artists (I.E. the anime).

Orochimaru was extremely intelligent in the beginnings of Naruto, Part 1, but like so many characters (Hiruzen suddenly being revealed to be a monster, Naruto having THE BEST parents, etc.) Shippuden took a hammer to them and bent them to serve the new narrative.

Note however that I'm not saying that Kishimoto doesn't have his reasons. He was a stressed Mangaka writing one of the most popular manga in the world for THE BIGGEST comic manga publisher in japan. He was clearly flying by the seat of his pants with only a rough guideline of what he wanted to happen for most of the series. And the number of retcons and changes to the lore prove that. I still think that as such a popular mangaka, he could've afforded to hire a co-writer to check him on some of his stupid stuff, and help him write the female characters to be not useless, but that's in the past now. The fact remains, he had deadlines and a hard job and I don't blame him for making shit up as he went along, I just think that Nick taking every single thing he's ever said as indisputable dogma despite how it conflicts with previously-established canon is both hilarious and sad. It's the reason a lot of Nick's theories don't pan out, because Kishimoto doesn't NEED to stick to what's canon, he creates the canon, so he'll make something up that solves the problem he wrote himself into, it's what he's done hundreds of times already. Hell, the Minato Manga proved that.

Hella Spoicey

39w↑1

You’re speaking facts.
I still think kishimoto is a great mangaka, but he definitely bottled lightning with Naruto.
Naruto has a silly magic system that contradicts itself as the show goes on.

rurik Aunimoto

39w

I mean, what got in orochimarus way was itachi if my understanding is correct. Wouldn't he be able to take Sasukes body eventually? He obviously could also be revived through the mark anyway, so he might not have cared about immortality all that much. Confort might be the real key to getting a perfect vessel.

lumière noire 3615

38w

To me the actual perfect vessel would be zetsu, he's litteraly made of mokuton, he is unaging, he Can absorb chakra and become a perfect copy of anybody and he's got symbiotic powers wich means you Can graft anything onto him and he Can be cultivated en masse from spores like a freakin mushroom

Filipe Terenzi

38w

Not wanting to poke holes in your theory, but Nick, how could a Orochimaru have taken over Hidan’s body? Hidan joined the alatsuki after Deidara, who joined as a replacement for orochimaru after he tried to steal Itachi’s eyes, making it so that they wouldn’t have met in the akatsuki cause orochimaru was already long gone? I might be wrong tho but that got me confused. Stay strong brother, I love your videos. 👊🏻😁

Wo! Wo!

39w

Orochimaru is the embodiment of "your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb"

Patrick Hazelwood

39w

I think it's funny how in Boruto Orichimaru looks like a young teen but in an episode of the last season of Naruto Shippuden, he's shocked and puzzled how young Chino looks even though She's much older than Sasuke. 😂

Doomsday

39w↑18

Lazar Ignjatovic

39w↑2

I understand what you mean, but in my opinion taking sasukes body was nt orochimarus real goal. Maybe it was in the beginning, but later on something changed within orochimaru and he even stated(when helping tsunade recover if l remember correctly) that he wants to see in what direction would sasukes wind blow. I think he saw in sasuke a real student who was worthy of him being his teacher(something he didnt see in other pupils around him, who blindly devoted themselves to orochimaru).

Hidden

39w↑2

The point was that Orochimaru was trying to manipulate Sasuke's thirst for power into him willingly giving up his body. If he had just taken Sasuke's body, it would start to reject him after a couple years and he would have to get a new body. Which would be a huge waste since Orochimaru really wanted sharingan and Sasuke is pretty much his only chance at getting them at their full potential.

He trained him so that he would have a strong body when he eventually took over. Obviously, that backfired lol

Aidan Quinn

39w

One thing to consider is the curse mark. Did he want a body with his curse mark on it. Probably. Back at that time it was a considerable power up. Narratively, he probably wanted to wait until after he saw if Sasuke cud handle the curse mark before choosing his body. Or maybe he wanted Sasuke to trust him enough to keep his body for more than 3 yrs after he does take it over. So maybe give him a power up and teach him a few things so he trusts u can take out itachi. But that backfired too, cuz Sasuke was more confident in his abilities, more critical or orochimaru and didn't think it was worth it anymore to give up his body.

Donovan

39w

He wasn’t sure which body he wanted when he first infiltrated Konoha. He only decided on Sasuke as a potential candidate after the forest of death. He put the curse mark on Sasuke to find out of Sasuke’s body would be compatible, at this time Kimimaro was still his prime candidate. Curse mark had sage power and Only a low percentage of people survived curse mark so he was basically testing Sasuke’s body, but it got delayed during the Sasuke retrieval arc which ruined his plans.

Doomsday

39w↑1

⁠@HiddenThat doesn’t make canonical sense though. You don’t need to be an Uchiha or in an Uchiha body to use the Sharingan to its full potential. Kakashi himself used two Mangekyo Sharingan to use a Full-Bodied Susano’o.

Nagato used two Rinnegan to devastating effect too. Mainly because of his massive chakra reserves, which made the Rinnegan more effective with him than anyone else.

Ororchimaru legit had an Uzumaki standing around who was wholly loyal to him. He could’ve taken Karin’s body by permission and used Sasuke’s stolen Sharingan. The fact that this never occurred to him is just…either dumb or way too convenient for canon.

If his goal was to use Sasuke’s body willingly, he sure did a terrible job in making Sasuke loyal to him. And for a “manipulative mastermind” like Orochimaru, it’s pretty disappointing that he didn’t even notice Sasuke’s disdain for him.

E1deRival

39w

I've had so many theories about how orochimaru doesn't make sense it's pitiful. He could've made the rinnegan if he wanted, started the ninja war himself and made himself immortal the way Madara tried to. If he really wanted to be immortal he could've used pieces of shin Uchiha on himself and bonded himself with hashirama cells for extended life at least. What stopped him from reanimating his original body b4 he ever swapped bodies, after he learned the reanimation jutsu? Not to mention what Nick said, he also met sasori who was potentially immortal.

Neoshinsei

39w↑1

I think that Orochimaru never stole a Sharingans and implanted them because he wanted the true thing and it's real power. Using the sharingan as a non-uchiha sucks as it is way too chakra taxing. And anyway, as Madara told, the true power of the sharingan emerge only with two eyes... something IMPOSSIBLE for a non-Uchiha. That is why he wanted Itachi or Sasuke's body. So he would have the true power of the sharingan. In the fillers about young Kakashi, he actually meet Orochimaru. And Orochimaru when he see the Sharingan, Orochimaru say something like " what fine eye... but I have no interest for an impostor. " granted this is filler, but I this as to be why he never wanted a sharingan transplant or even Kakashi's body.

MastarNinja

39w

I mean, not that impossible. The "true power of the sharingan" that only emerge with two eyes is most likely referring to Susanoo, which Kakashi did summon in the War Arc. If not, then it has to refer to MS abilities, which Orochimaru eventually also artificially recreated with Shin. The only plausible explanation as to why they never tried it on themselves, or take over someone who had stolen an eye was the chakra consumption thing. That's also probably why they did their Sharingan experimentations on Shin instead : get all the required research data without any of the downsides.

Lee

38w

I never understood why if orochimaru wanted immortality he just didnt have himself reanimated. He'd have infinite chakra so a implanted sharingan wouldnt tire him out.

Kotone Uchiha

37w

I think Orochimaru was doing too much. I loved seeing Sasuke calling him out on his felled effort to reach his aspirations and obsessions. During the transition he literally just stared at him then pulled a reverse card and basically said "What, you thought I was gonna let your Michael Jackson looking ass get my body? You literally saw me attacking dummies saying 'kill Itachi' over and over again everyday on some Eren Yeager type shit"

Insane Makaioshin

39w

17:55 - I just realized that Sharingan Orochimaru shoved into his head would not turn off, so that's why he doesn't want it. We've seen how much stronger Kakashi is without his Sharingan.
19:05 - You have to offer up people you care about to Lord Jashin in order to become immortal.