Admire
The Vanguard Villains Lyrics

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Jass Bajwa Desi Crew Desi Crew ਸਾਡੇ ਕਹਿਣ ਤੇ ਸੂਟ ਕਾਲਾ ਹਫਤੇ ਵਿਚ ਪਾ…
Jessy Yasmeen You face the war you need to fight You're a keen…
New Pagans Admire Desire for this We don't give up so easily A blizza…
Omarion Ft Problem & Tank When you on the pole everything be stopping Girl you in…

Omarion [feat. Problem Tank] When you on the pole everything be stopping Girl you in…
SHAKALABBITS ...「バタフライはフリー」のジルサングラスリオスパイダー...etc もう溢れ出してきてるでも (greed…
Tora There's all the time in the world I'm not letting go…

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Comments from YouTube:

Chandler Eckel

3y↑35

Something you didn’t bring up, but I think can still count for something, is a given character’s weapon selection. Most vanguards can only use two-handed polearm weapons, usually restricted to spears, glaives, ji and axes. However, a few, like Gan Ning, Sun Ren and Dong Zhuo, don’t have that restriction and can use any weapon type. This normally isn’t a huge deal, since polearms tend to be better than swords, but it does, for example, allow you to take Zheng Jiang’s axes that provide fatigue immunity and put them on that character.

Boxeree

3y↑36

Gao Shun with scattering blows can rack up hundreds of kills with one well timed flame of the Phoenix, which is really powerful imo

Hưng Phan

@DarthBodya if you know how to use his abilities ,Gao shun actually insane and I think only Lu Bu can compare to him, scattering blows double the wide splash damage of flame of the phoenix, check out this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvD2k-D_31U

hafid lho

my gao shun often times get more kills than lu bu in a single battle

Luigi 28

@DarthBodya talking about it one attack not and entire battle. So in theory you can kill thousands a lot easier than most

DarthBodya

You can actually do this with every vanguard...for example in real time battle I beat minimum 500 ko's by Sun Ce.

Kenay Fleming

3y↑45

I love the way that you presented each character and they’re stats and info top tier

Hong Wu

3y↑15

I’ve seen Dong Zhuo once in my recruitment pool. I have almost 1700 hrs on tw3k, and only once. That game he didn’t die to event, I think I was playing as Cao Cao, and I beat him to have only 1 city left, and then Ma Teng wiped him out, which is also at war with me. This must be legendary of legendary rarity. 😂

Hong Wu

@railx 😂a lot of hours came from rushing to class and left the game on. And stream it on my laptop when I have nothing to do while I wait to go to next class.

railx

Lol how do you play a single player game for that long

Simple Viewer

1y↑1

I remember annexing dong zhuo as cao cao and having his army of 1000 vs 3000 in a 1 v 2 army stand off in a forest, I sent Dong Zhuo to scout and found the army, I put his attack buff on and while he almost died, he killed their strategist, 3 archer units, reudced their sentinel to half health, and killed 2 spear unit

Jacobo Hernando Morejón

3y↑4

I managed to get Dong Zhuo through confederation with Sun Jian with the Mandate of Heaven start date. I have to admit that I worked my diplomatic reputation and build the south very powerful so when I declared myself emperor he was just happy with it and wishful to join me.

TheMoosenugget

3y↑14

Love Dong Zhuo's english dub. I use to only play on the chinese dub, but a friend told me he had sweet lines that just fit. My last campaign I rerolled his cruel and got brilliant

He is the biggest Dong
The Fiercest Dong
With the blade breaker ability he is the hardest Dong

He is the Most Brilliant Dong

TheMoosenugget

@Jonathan Bentley It's a possible option in the updated faction council

Jonathan Bentley

how do you reroll traits?

Shinsenshogun

The Dong is a Smart Tank

Spartan 20

3y↑1

Expand the Dong

Илья Деревянко

1y↑1

Zhou Tai has event if you summon him with Sun Quan - next season he gets new background “scarred” - 10% bonus for shock cav factionwide and provokes scare for himself

Chinag

3y↑9

1:06:27 Damn, this makes me intrigued... I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually get Dong Zhuo in their faction rooster.

It kinda makes me want to see you do some challenge videos that aren't suppose to be a whole campaign as a short buffer series, such as Dong Zhuo capture or Liu Yan max aspiration speedrun.

Pib

I have a campaign where i can potentially get Dong Zhuo i think. Not sure if it was because of the mods i run, but in my Lu Zhi campaign, somehow Yuan Shao became the faction leader of Dong Zhuo's faction, so maybe i can get the Dong if i build up fondness through battle.

Bjorn Monson

3y↑2

Hey ST! Did you know Gao Shun’s scattering blows actually synergies with flames of the Phoenix? On foot it makes him a literal nuke to enemy formations, which is fitting for him. It’s made him super popular with the Korean TWTK community. It’s pain to get him to level 7, but worth it. Also he currently has a bug that makes him invincible for a certain time period during battles... that and unbreakable makes him a real pain in the butt. Thanks for the awesome video btw. Have looked forward to this!

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

someone else brought this up and that would definitely lift him a few tiers as well but that synergy might be a bug. I will bring it up with CA and see what their take on it

William

3y↑3

im very surprised zhang fei is only A ranked. I would've thought his roar would've auto made him into a god in battle. but i do love this tier rank. very useful insight into a range of characters. which tier list would be next? looking forward to it

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

the roar is arguably worse than the standard roar since you only get one use as if you don't nail the entire enemy army, they will just recover after the duration times out.

Dave

3y↑4

I've never seen it discussed before - but I actually think the Firebomb ability on Huang Gai is a little easter egg from Dynasty Warriors. In older games Huang Gai had a button to throw out a bomb!

BastosFC

I'm late but it's a reference to his role in the battle of Chi bi

Chiron Wode

3y↑2

Super hyped for the prime minister tier list, hope you add a tiny lore caveat saying which Grand Excellency position they would be most suited for given you know their historical/romance character far more than I ever will

Chiron Wode

@Grand Moff Tarkin I don't even recognize that second name, what are his bonuses and where is he from in game

Grand Moff Tarkin

Cao Cao and Zhu Ge Liang are the best when it comes to the grand excellency positions

AnEuKen

3y↑6

Hearing you talk about weapons not matching their owner, I would be interested to see a 'who would use it better?' list/video. 😄

Ethan L

3y↑5

Great video, glad this series is finally here! Definitely learned quite a bit, even though I've seen many of these generals so much haha

I just wanted to mention that interestingly, Ji Ling is in the Han Empire's recruitment pool in both the 190 and 182 starts, so he is already spawned in - and with four traits instead of three in all start dates.

Edit: I think in Records, all generals don't have unique skills, right? So these charging skills won't be available with your bodyguard retinues.

Lesdeuxanes

3y↑1

I love playing Sun Jian and so I play with Gang Ning a lot. His suppressing fire is so powerful, but you need to be careful with it.

I was sieging a Lumber yard and wanted him to send a volley towards some Nanman defenders at an entrance to the Camp. He proceeds to take out his bow, do his magic girl dance, and blast to kingdom come 40 (or one third) of a mercenary infantry unit that was right in front of him.

I had the strangest emotion between panicking and laughing my ass off.

Yep Gang Ning, that's exactly what I wanted you to do.

Canadian Banana

3y↑6

There are a few semi unique characters who have arguably just as if not more powerful background bonuses than unique characters.

Mats Elliott

3y↑1

If we’re counting fanctionwide bonuses, I think Ma Teng deserves an S. The bonus gives you 15 flat damage on shock cav, which is increased by all your other multiplicative bonuses (which would often go to waste on almost pure AP elite cav). Also 15 is just an insanely high buff on its own - 40 is the standard total damage of red cav. Just an insanely potent buff, especially now that cav is less likely to break them on the charge.

Mats Elliott

@Serious Trivia Beg to differ. Anyways keep up the great content!

Serious Trivia

15 base damage on a unit is not that impressive though. Most shock cavalry have a lot of armor piercing damage and very low base damage. Sure 15 damage is great but not really game changing even after the recent nerfs to charge.

Mats Elliott

Again +15 damage is WAY better than +15%. Just do the math.

Grand Moff Tarkin

3y↑2

Huang Gai would benefit Yuan Shao, Liu Chong and Tao Qian, because these factions actually had unique mid tier and high tier spear infantry.

Dean Richards

3y↑2

I hope u do champion tier list next week. So interested to see where you put Yan Yu. I personally love him as he's super easy to obtain early on, and for his poison arrows.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

Champion is the next one

Kiryu Amano Hanzo

3y↑1

I think that Xiahou Yuan should have a shooting skill like Huang Gai or Sun Ren to balance his Fatigue with Blazing Saddle that also give player a choice to make him a Ranged Micro or Cavalry charge because his skills required a player with good micro skill.

Chingto Chau

3y↑3

Xiahou Yuan is pretty bad on the battlefield, but he does have the assignment Military Requisition which gives a 15% discount on recruitment cost.

With proper planning this can save thousands of gold, and it ironically works much better for Sun Jian than Cao Cao, since you can plop Yuan in, then conjure a full stack at a much lower cost.

M L

3y↑2

While these lists are cool, to be completely honest I've watched through them to decide which officers to snatch. I'm really looking forward to the Commander list (if possible), as those are generally the best heirs/PMs. I must say I have never considered hunting for some of the people you listed in all four playlists so far. Thank you.

Ivan loco

3y↑6

I have a proposition, make a video to find the maximum speed a general can go.

It will be awesome to see how fast a general can go by combining all the abilities from other different Generals

I´ll definitely put a Like on that.

Callum Wright

3y↑1

It doesn't lift his grade but enemy armies in those little encamped forts can be really fucked up by Fire Bomb, running up and throwing them at the corner towers usually takes out the other two on the chain, it's quite nifty. Huang Gai does feel really weird though.

B W

3y↑4

Some notes about Lu Bu: In his own AWB campaign, I've seen his splash attack bug out so it has 0 cool down, usually happens once you've acquired Zheng Jiang's dagger throw ability.

Also any immobilizing ability can be used to hilarious effect by making an enemy army stand still in a burning forest / oil /under turrets. So that's some fun for Diao Chan and Liu Zhang too.

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

I mean that version of Lu Bu is SSS tier. You can solo not just battles but the whole campaign lol

NTLuck

3y↑3

I would still take Sun Ce's Devastating Roar over Zhang Fei's Blazing Roar. Being able to use it twice is a big deal not to mention that a vast majority of the units have decreased morale. Blood Fury still sucks though. Should have just gave him Tenacity of Steel or Impetuous Charge.

I'm positive that CA mixed up Yan Liang and Wen Chou's items btw :)

14 53

3y↑2

Hey cool list! Def would include the non-unique portrait generals, as characters like Hao Meng are some of the best in the game (Night Battle, Roar of the Beast, Terror through title/items). Plus helps highlight some of the more unknown characters bouncing around that tend to have pretty interesting elements to them.

Granted way more work so understable if not ideal.

14 53

@Serious Trivia Ah cool nice nice.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I plan to feature all the non-unique in a separate standalone tier list

Gilang Maulana

3y↑2

guessed Zhou Tai gonna be on s-tier before watching and proven right 🤣

although if it were me I would place Ji Ling a tad bit higher on B.
always a good fun herding+looping enemy army to a designated dead zone and riddled them with arrows concealed in the forests. Speed Demon should've become his background 😆

Gilang Maulana

3y↑1

@Serious Trivia right,I forgot about him 😵

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

I mean Li Jue has the same exact speed

Jun Kitami

3y↑1

Zhang Fei? A? You must be pulling my leg! Zhang Fei is extremely useful in a charge and because his serpent spear has a high base damage, he could just charge in and just wipe low tier armies out of the way where you'll see Guan Yu struggle and he'll just keep doing it like it was nothing. Real useful and I would have moved him to S-tier even if his roar isn't that useful.

Also, here's a tip. If you're playing at 200 as Yuan Shao, you'll gain Gongsun Zan's spear and just equip it on Yan Liang and give that "glaive" to Wen Chou. That's what I do most of the time.

Jun Kitami

@Serious Trivia That's odd... I've seen Zhao Yun mysteriously rout even when he's winning and it's against Yellow Turbans (Gong Du) but I've never had Zhang Fei flee on me even when he's at level 5 whereas the enemy general is at level 7.

I seriously don't get what's wrong but I do admit that Zhang Fei can be pretty weak if you leave him alone in the fray as I've seen couple of times that when I micro somewhere else and thought he can tank shots, he suddenly takes a huge health dip if he doesn't move into charges and kiting. I just don't know why.

Serious Trivia

@Jun Kitami he always had routing issues for me and he was named as the reason why general morales were buffed on patch 1.7 so I stand by his tier. Also A is not a bad tier ….

Jun Kitami

@Serious Trivia Seriously, no. I've never have Zhang Fei rout unless he has extremely low health.

Serious Trivia

have you seen Zhang Fei rout like a baby....for just being at half health and why compare him with Guan Yu who is not a vanguard and not on this tier list. Who would you say Zhang Fei is better than in this list. Like Gao Shun can even be moved higher now because the flame of phoenix bug will never get patched

Sorrawut Korsuwansiri

3y↑1

I think Characters with -10% retinue upkeep are awesome. It can stack with bonuses from other mechanisms to reduce wide-faction retinue upkeep to 0. Free and Unlimited Armies. What else can be more powerful?

Liviu Bostan

2y↑2

7 months later but I like my Vanguards really simple.
I see Flames of the Phoenix,I like them

Man Pham

3y↑3

IIRC, Ma Chao skill set is mixed up a bit, his roar slot and his aoe damaging slot switched place. And above the usual flame of phoenix slot is the enabling scare ability so roar + scare is pretty good

Shunyuan Liang

3y↑18

Am pretty sure Gan Ning's unique character art came out with the base game. And yet CA still left him with 30 stats points. Very Curious.....

Dave Boonen

3y↑1

He is still so fun to use tho

Mistico

3y↑3

Yue Jin, Xu Chu, Xu Huang came with the base game also and have 30 stats bonus too.

warko

3y↑1

amazing work, thank you for taking the effort in this tier list, I know it took a lot of time.

ou ziqi

3y↑1

17:35 Gao Shun's double splash range makes him a human nuclear!!!! You can combine it with flames of the phoenix and he will kill 1000+ in only three shot (I tried it in regular unit size, that is almost the entire army). You don't even have to give him any good weapon. And it also apply to the charge damage range I believe, he can push down the entire unit even if he didn't actually touch all of them. AND THAT IS UNLIMITED WITH ONLY 60 SECOND COOL DOWN!!!!!

ou ziqi

@Serious Trivia yep! yes the information is very confusing. And you can try the charging as well if you want!

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I got to test out the flame of the Phoenix combo. You are saying it doubles that range? Nothing implies that it should but if it does that might change things

Paydon Carmon

2y↑1

I know this is old now but I actually managed to get The Big Dong on a Cao Cao playthrough last week. Somehow he never died and his faction was wiped out by the AI instead. Then in late game he just randomly showed up in my pool. It was pretty cool. Maybe one day I'll have a miracle and get Sun Jian in another faction.

Zero Owl

It is actually possible to recruit faction leader, as long as you don't make them have a grudge on you (By conduct war...) And their faction is wiped by a strong AI (I do this by funding money to the AI I want, after being funded with money they mostly raise a strong armies right after) mostly the AI want to decimate the one I want to recruit) they will mostly showed up in recruting pool, but of course it based on luck, yet it's good either way, because if they're not showing up in your pool then they may in another faction - in which you can track them and use spy to bring em to your side

Example : One trick I used pretty frequently is when Sun Ce keep the Jade for himself, he will declare a war to Yuan Shu, what I do next is funding money to Yuan Shu (I mostly use Cao Cao - since he can easily abuse his food to gain cash through diplomacy even early), 2 turn later - Yuan Shu got a strong army and wiped Sun Ce - in which the turn later, I got Sun Ce (Grudge against Yuan Shu) showed up at my pool

Keep in mind if you want the exact example above happened, you MUST NOT trade the Jade from Sun Ce at the beginning, otherwise the story event won't happened

Aj

3y↑2

great video mate learnt a lot from it! excited for the rest of the series : )

Zach Hennen

3y↑1

Would you be interested in making a tier list for faction bonuses? You mentioned that in passing on this video, and that actually sounds like something really interesting. Great content!

Zach Hennen

@Serious Trivia any content is good content. I binge your stuff at work, and it's been enormously helpful. Though every time I learn something new about another faction, I end up starting a new game.

Serious Trivia

I would probably end up making one ranking the factions

Argon

3y↑1

Wait, did you say that Scattering Blows on Gao Shun ISN'T strong as hell? Have you tried comboing that with Flames of the Phoenix? It puts Lu Bu's Rage to shame. With the Zhou Tai nerf, Gao Shun is always the vangaurd Im looking to capture in my playthroughs now.

Edit: Kept watching further. The thing to note about Rage of Lu Bu is that while it does "less damage" it has a wider AOE than Flames of the Phoenix, and because 1.9k is typically much more damage than the health pool of a single soldier in a unit, the damage resulting is far more devastating than Flames of the Phoenix. Rage of Lu Bu is only weaker against enemy characters, but that point is moot when his Sky Piercer does so much damage anyways.

But Gao Shun is still king with Scattering Blows + Flames of the Phoenix. My god that AOE just obliterates hundreds of soldiers instantly.

Argon

3y↑1

@Serious Trivia Sshhh don't tell CA. It's one of my favorite hidden gems. But for shits n giggles, I went in and modded the range modifier on Scattering Blows to something insane like 5000% just to see how far I could push the AOE, and the results were... inconsistent to say the least.

The effect at times worked perfectly and would wipe out entire armies. But other times it was stopped dead in its tracks in odd shapes. I found out its because the range is affected by terrain. Im not sure if the terrain itself stops it or if it has something to do with the angle positioning of Gao Shun on a slope, so when the attack goes off, the resulting circle of damage partially goes off into the sky.

But the point is that the splash attack range does work on these attacks, and its very obvious in some of the character mods on the workshop. Some of them give Lu Bu a +200% splash attack range and a "Clear a Path" ability instead of his typical circular attack. It gets ridiculous.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I didn't know that this combo works...as it really shouldn't be this way but yes it seems too strong

Andrew White

3y↑6

Getting Sun Ce early is great, you get two phenomenal generals, and occasionally get the Red Cinbar Bow too

DarthBodya

3y↑1

I just remember Sun Ce passive before rework, when if you don't see where he goes he just can charge into spear infantry, going berserk and you can pull him out and watching how he die....now at least it's work only on duels.

Kendall Anderson

3y↑2

This video reminded me to tell you that I finally did it. Did a Ma Teng 190 start and Sun Jian didn’t die. 15 years later we have Sun Ce and double charge Qiang Raiders

Edit: Thought I’d mention literally no one is dying in this campaign and it’s weird (not Dong Zhuo, Lu Zhi, Liu Chong, Ma Teng, any muniqués character who would normally die of old age) only Tao Qian.

Kendall Anderson

@NTLuck Now that you mention it, I’ve gotten 2 or 3, but not as much as On a Liu bei campaign Im also doing

NTLuck

3y↑1

Lol you must have hit the jackpot and bugged the event activation codes. I'm guessing you are also not getting many Emperor missions?

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

Oh the dream!

Matt M

3y↑5

I think Gao should be A tier simply because he’s unbreakable from the rip.

Tom Hinkle

3y↑1

I understand that the eight princes characters aren't added because of stat differences, but will you be making a tier list specifically for the eight princes? Maybe it's already made and I just need to do more digging on this channel for it, but I do want to see how those characters fair against eachother.

Serious Trivia

they will have their separate tier list in the future. It will be the eight princes and a few of their semi unique characters from each of their factions.

Ketan Singh

3y↑1

If the ranking was solely on killing efficiency,SunRen would be top.. flame of the Phoenix combined with nature’s ally is a strong combination for killing units and Heartseeker is the most broken ability in the game.. unlike other ranged attack like poison blade , it has great tracking .. kills generals from afar and hardly ever misses..that woman is OP

Zor Gaming zone

3y↑2

With Blazing Roar you can win multiple duels if the enemy don´t have unbreakable.

GPM26

1y↑1

I'm back into Three Kingdoms. I will be watching all your videos again! Thank you so much for this breakdown.

Richard Li

3y↑1

i think weapons like dreadbringer which have a very low base damage is actually very bad for vanguards because instinct only boost the base damage portion of the weapon and most vanguards have a ton of instinct. usually i give these 24 atk speed weapons to champions because they dont have the +40% atk speed skill and the pure armor piercing weapons like the 2h maces but only 20 atk speed to sentinels like zhao yun who have little to none instinct but have the 40% atk speed skill.

Discodium X

3y↑3

very funny that dongzhuo who in romance was almost killed by yellow turbans becomes the best counter to them

Discodium X

also MaChao should be higher up because he looks coooool

Lexandro Teaureau

3y↑3

@serious trivia My most important list would be which generals are the best for your court (factionwide buffs). There is one that gives you +100% food or one with +100% from silk and spice etc.

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

That’s going to come eventually and that will be less of a tier list but just a ranking

alex derman

3y↑8

using scattering blows and then doing flames of the phoenix does an insane AOE attack

Haise K. Sasaki

3y↑2

I wonder if the new max hp regen nerf for Zhou Tai can be compensated by giving him the +25% (or was it 50%?) general health title

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

it can be improved (but I think it is more quality of life as it just means you wait less to heal him back). He can definitely safely kite away with final rush and just wait to heal back before going back in again. The key nerf is elephants since getting knock off your horse is what usually ruin the power

Thomas Mertens

3y↑2

We are playing with Gan Ning while watching this and he will not fire his bow. Animation draws it, but no arrows come out

Thomas Mertens

@Serious Trivia yep, that's what was wrong. Thanks

Thomas Mertens

@Serious Trivia will have to check as soon as this battle is done

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

Did you switch his weapon to a two handed one

lucas

3y↑2

i think its possible for hansui to join the fray if the northern expansion includes the story of the rebellion against caocao

Duckbeak Dog

3y↑6

Hope Xiahou Yuan gets a buff in Hanzhong showdown dlc.

Khor Zhe Wei

Yeah, it's sad how generic he is

ale_san

3y↑1

I was giggling like a little girl when you described Zhou Tai’s skill

Daniel Nguyễn

3y↑2

Just wait for sentinel one, they get more love by CA than vanguard and there are a lot of them

B W

3y↑2

Maybe make a special note for how bandit generics of each color rank? We all know how ridiculously good bandit sentinels and champions are.

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

I don’t think that belongs here. There is already a bandit character guide on the channel where this is discussed in great detail

Billy Holliday

3y↑2

I thought Gan Ning starts with a silver weapon as well. Unless that is just coincidence for me when I come across him.

Billy Holliday

Makes sense. I was sitting here thinking I was crazy or something 😆

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

He does but silver isn’t really worth mentioning

Jesse Williams

3y↑2

You can kinda see who CA had favorites for... 😂
Another great guide!

Reynald De Jesus

3y↑1

Smouldering Fury is so strong, my Lu Bu with 2k+ health defeated a generic sentinel with tenacity of steel without any help like wisdom of the river.

So that's said, do you think they should give a similar skill with Ma Chao? Because in Three kingdoms 2010 I remembered someone saying that Ma Chao is like similar to Lu Bu I think it was either Cao Cao or Liu Bei.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I mean maybe

MrFlop

2y↑1

Before starting the video, I already knew Lu Bu will be like S+++

Gobboh

3y↑1

I just want to add that the skills do not exist in Records ;) There skills are replaced with stat buffs

JonnyPlaysGT

3y↑2

Damn, I literally was thinking about a character tier list last night and today it's out. I am flabbergasted lol

TalesFromTheBuzzard

3y↑4

Instant Like, your quality remains unmatched. The Sleeping Dragon of Total War.

Alpi

3y↑2

i would love a heir/prime minister tier list

Victor Ye

3y↑2

yesssss, I've been waiting so long for the unique character's tier list!!

michael R

3y↑1

I think Gan Ning should be lower just because his hail of arrows is bugged.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

it is not bugged...you have to use his default silver ji. if you give any one with hail of arrow or poison volley a two handed polearm they will be able to use the skill

Mike Mac

3y↑1

Do you think Sentinel dueling is broken in game? For me, it is one of the main reasons I don't play 3K anymore. The game would be perfect. But dueling just kills immersion for me. It is lore breaking when certain characters destroy certain characters because of the way the Elemental system is set up.

Serious Trivia

@Mike Mac I mean the basic rule is don’t duel someone with tenacity of steel...anyone else you should have no trouble beating in a duel

Mike Mac

@Serious Trivia I understand your side. I just believe it'd be better if the heroes acted more like the design in Troy or Warhammer. They also have heroes that are the "best". But not unbeatable by any means. But in 3K, you can have completely lop sided duals that feel really weird because of the way the Elemental system is designed. I just think the other two games does heroes better.

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

also Total War is not a lore friendly rpg scripted experience either so if you are expecting one....it is just not designed that way

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I mean sentinel isn't really broken. If they have tenacity of steel, it just means you need to use a wisdom of river. It is like rock paper scissor. It is also not fun if say character x will always win just because romance of three kingdoms said he is strong (I mean most strong characters already got items or unique skills in the game that gives them an edge somewhere too)

Tim N

3y↑1

Question regarding Gan Ning: He has a charging boost w 50m range, but how do you keep your general w your cav units when he is so much faster than them?

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

that is a problem but perhaps the cavalry can join him for the last leg for the boost since the build up is only on him and not on the units that are following him

Simon Ivanov

3y↑1

Hah) At records mode you dont have ANY of your active or passive skills. You still have your skill tree, but at the middle line instead of final rushes and roars of the beast you have stat boosts and combat boosts (like +10 instinct and +15 speed, instead of middle vanguard skill, for example). I was very upset to find that, so no blazing saddles for Ma Chao at records mode

Serious Trivia

Sad face

Simon Ivanov

And it doesn't matter, was it unique skill or not, it would be replaced with default boost to stats. So in records mode even Lu Bu is not so special

T-Tris

3y↑1

Dong zhuo is my favorit fraction I always play his fraction.

Javad Rahimi

3y↑1

Gao Shun is S tier easily he is so strong

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I am pretty sure the scattering blow flame of Phoenix is a bug but otherwise yes

Sebastian MA

3y↑2

Do you know when CA is going to publish the new dlc for 3K? Great work by the way. I have learned so much from you, that I only play this game on legendary. Thanks a lot. Keep up the good work💪😁

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

no idea but let's see what we do know for sure. The next DLC content they will publish is probably WH2's last DLC and they will use that to market pre order for WH3. I expect this to happen fairly soon (maybe within a month or so). Then I think Troy is launching on Steam in early August so they will probably do some marketing for that (maybe even a DLC alongside it). So I am guessing if it comes early it could be July or if it comes late, it would probably be September or October. I am also thinking Holiday 2021 would be Warhammer 3 launch so maybe like late Nov to Dec for those holiday sales.

Theo W

3y↑2

In my games Gao Shun’s charge bonus is quite low, on par with sentinel’s (100ish, if not lower). Don’t know if it is caused by a mod but I highly doubt it. Can someone confirm it? I play on the second largest unit scale btw.

Theo W

@Serious Trivia Glad to know it! I always try to convince myself the low charge bonus is deliberately designed to reflect his job as the commander of the camp crusher, (which is described in the game as heavy infantry), thus he is supposed to be used dismounted with his retinues... But it certainly sucks to use a vanguard this way.

Serious Trivia

3y↑3

great catch! you are absolutely right! this is definitely a bug. It is the same thing with Chen Gong. Both of them are around 30 points which I think means the code has them as on foot even when they are mounted. I will report this to CA.

KittenCritters

3y↑1

I havent played a lot on the newest patch but I would personally rate Sun Ren a lot lower, mostly for the fact that by the time she comes of age (before latest patch) most campaigns are already wrapping up and close to ending so I rarely see her get to a high enough level to actually get her useful skills.

KittenCritters

@Serious Trivia True but I didn't really measure that in since the chance is so astronomically low. And if you are playing Dong Zhuo you get to use his bonuses at the most important stage of the game before he dies

Serious Trivia

3y↑2

while this is very true, that would also mean Dong Zhuo would be a lot lower since unless you are playing as him, you never get to use him basically

madridrock150

3y↑4

Every time I hear ST talk about Xiahou Yuan the poor man just gets savaged.

TianYu Bao

3y↑1

董卓我也認為應該在A,但你沒說一點，他不能使用長柄武器，而遊戲中雖然沒有說明，但長柄武器是有濺射傷害的，意味著在洗兵時能造成更多殺傷，這也是為何金土武將的殺兵效率很低的緣故

Edward Mainwood

3y↑2

do you think lu su will get a unique portrait soon?

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

I think so

Mistico

3y↑1

I think 99% he will become unique in the Chi Bi DLC.

allancg

2y↑1

Zhou Thai saved me against 2 stacks of mercenaries one time when I only had a garrison and 6 fury of beihai with me, one stack led by Sun Ce and the other by Huang Gai (with Lady Wu), He killed alone 1700 and defeat all generals. I made him my heir after battle, he deserved.

Serious Trivia

2y↑1

"only six fury of beihai" is a hell of a flex

Syd L

3y↑1

I don't know if it's a mod I'm using but Huang Gai's firebombs do -50 morale. I've checked and none of them mention changing his ability at all so I wonder if that's an effect just not listed?

Serious Trivia

I think my experience with the skill has been that you can hand super good hits or completely useless hits so it takes a bit of practice or setup but overall a very fun skill to use

Syd L

@Serious Trivia Okay I just tested it inside a custom battle and fire bomb does -25 morale, but if you manage to hit a unit with all of the bombs they get hit with -50 for like a second or two.

Syd L

With all my noncosmetic mods disabled too!

Syd L

@Serious Trivia Just tested it out with Huang Gai vs Protectors of Heaven in a custom battle and their morale went down from 54ish to 5 after hitting them with the fire bomb.

Serious Trivia

It’s definitely not listed. I know there is a morale component just because it’s fire but I am not sure it’s 50

Pepijn Oosterhuis

3y↑4

Long Have I waited, Gao Shun activated.

ipalvarado1

3y↑1

I may be mistaken Serious Trivia because you are the knowledge emperor but isnt Sun Jian a vanguard? His mercenary faction asset is pretty awesome. I'm only 2 min in if you cover later in video!

ipalvarado1

@Serious Trivia Emperor of Knowledge!

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

he is a sentinel

TheDarkboar

3y↑2

Waited for Character Tier List for sooo long, love you man <3

Catalin Bostan

2y↑1

Serious Trivia,what if Zhou Tai dismounts the Elephant then uses Dying Vow,is it possible even?
Does it remove the buff once on the elephant?

Actually,can Elephants even be dismounted or mounted back on?

Catalin Bostan

@Serious Trivia ahhh so sad..

Serious Trivia

You can’t dismount the elephant.

BronnBlackwater

3y↑40

FINALLY SERIOUS TRIVIA!!! 😆

Alan

1y↑1

@Serious Trivia, can you do a general tier list based on historical records?

Serious Trivia

Hard to rate real people.

RoninWarriorSage

2y↑1

Will Sun Ce's or any other officer's cavalry boosts apply to elephants also or do elephants fall under a different set of rules?

Serious Trivia

Elephants are not cavalry so that bonus will not apply

Michael Sanchez

2y↑1

Huang Gai should still be a champion!!!

Thịnh Nguyễn

3y↑1

In LuBu camp, I might put him on SSS+ tier :)))

KANEISNINJA

3y↑2

gao shun is bugged, his charge is 75 which is like a quarter of what a normal vanguard is

KANEISNINJA

3y↑1

@Serious Trivia doing gods work haha

Serious Trivia

3y↑1

yea someone else brought it up and I have reported it to CA

約翰ny

2y↑1

Sometime 董卓not dying even the lAte game, u can 臣屬it and 吞併it when he have it’s own army in the field

Serious Trivia

Yes because most duels ends in death. You give yourself more chances if you don’t pop their resilience

約翰ny

@Serious Trivia would I reduce the chance of hire after solo單挑？i release 張飛3time and after滅蜀，劉備come only

約翰ny

@Serious Trivia thx

Serious Trivia

2y↑1

Relationship is based on traits and traits are pretty random in three kingdoms so you can’t do too much about it. Having them fight together and win often does help

約翰ny

@Serious Trivia wow, never thought could be replied by u, such old video, I really want to know is Lu bu’s last unique skill should learn or not, seems not strong, and what factor affect the relationships within characters, do you have some video about the factors of total war series?

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K L

3y↑2

Lubu doesn't get a S, they will have to remake the game.

rrron

3y↑2

i love tier lists

Hải Nguyễn

3y↑2

Nice list man. Waiting for this

Richard Li

3y↑1

ST can u explain how charge bonus works? like does it apply on top of the base damage or armor piercing or is it independent damage? or is it like a multiplier? never really understood how it really works.

Serious Trivia

It’s a damage multiplier to your overall damage in about the first ten seconds after you land a successful charge

Richard Li

@Serious Trivia does it multiply the base damage or armor pen? if it multiplies base then flying riders will be the best since it has the highest base dmg. most of the shock cavs are all armor pen focused

Serious Trivia

its a damage multiplier that also reduces enemy evasion which is why it hurts so much

kyle fares

2y↑1

I got him. I captured dong Zhou, i can send you a save file with him in it

Serious Trivia

Ah I see a join after faction wipe! Yes that is rare but makes more sense

kyle fares

I captured him on the 190 start with Jiang Zheng. No mods. I rushed his faction capturing and releasing prisoners including himself took over every territory he owned except his last one. I baited him out with a weak army while my stronger one laid in ambush hidden from sight. As soon as he went to face my weak army I rushed his settlement leaving him with nowhere to go he rushed and I released and turned up in my character pool the very next turn. Unfortunately he joins at an older age and dies at the mid game.