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Piano Sonata in E minor H.XVI No.34: 2. Adagio
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Elaine Blackhurst

shnimmuc
I’ve written it on a number of occasions elsewhere, I believe that Handel is one of the greatest of all composers when it comes to vocal music.

If you are writing from the US, you might be interested to know that the situation regarding Handel’s operas is somewhat better in Europe, and not just in England.
A number of Handel’s operas have been and are performed across the continent by a number of the many specialist early music orchestras in particular, and with some success.

I am almost sure there are significantly more productions here than across the pond!

PS: my reference to Scarlatti was to Martha Argerich’s performance in particular which I think is spectacularly good.



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Tor-Andre Kongelf

Haydn deserves to be up there with Mozart. What an industrious man with such genious.

Elaine Blackhurst

Tor-Andre Kongelf
You’re quite right, Haydn is up there with Mozart; you cannot properly understand or appreciate fully the music of the Classical period (c.1750 - 1800), without knowing the music of both of the only two genuine ‘A’ list composers.

Haydn and Mozart said very different things, using the same musical language.

shnimmuc

@Elaine Blackhurst I agree, I also think Handel is up there with Bach, if people only knew the 40+ operas and the over 26 oratorios, and over 100 Italian cantatas.

Elaine Blackhurst

shnimmuc
You’re quite right, both these pairs of composers are complementary; the main areas of Handel’s works were so different from those of Bach - and indeed Telemann and other German composers - that they are actually difficult to compare, but to understand the later Baroque period, you need to know both as they both contributed such different things.

I know you understand these differences, but for any other readers, Handel’s magnificent Italian operas, English oratorios, English pieces d’occasion such as the Water Music, or Music for the Royal Fireworks, the Concerti Grossi Opus 6, and his experience of living and learning in Italy, made him an entirely different composer from Bach with his German cantatas, organ works, Brandenburg concertos, keyboard works, Passions, and only knowing Italy and Italian music second hand.

You have to know both, and the third of the class of 1685, as Domenico Scarlatti too contributed works unrecognisable from Handel or Bach: if you don’t know it, treat yourself to Martha Argerich playing Scarlatti’s d minor sonata K141, there is nothing like this little masterpiece in Bach or Handel.

shnimmuc

@Elaine Blackhurst I am well aware of Scarlatti`s brtillant music. My gripe is the general music public's ignorance of Handel. In January I saw Agrippina at the Metropolitan in N.Y.. I tell you 4 hours and 12 minutes later I was numb with the brilliants of the score. In the mad scene, the music could have been written in this century with it`s harmonic distortions. The whole work seemed to me to me a encyclopedia of vocal writing Bach never approached.

Elaine Blackhurst

shnimmuc
I’ve written it on a number of occasions elsewhere, I believe that Handel is one of the greatest of all composers when it comes to vocal music.

If you are writing from the US, you might be interested to know that the situation regarding Handel’s operas is somewhat better in Europe, and not just in England.
A number of Handel’s operas have been and are performed across the continent by a number of the many specialist early music orchestras in particular, and with some success.

I am almost sure there are significantly more productions here than across the pond!

PS: my reference to Scarlatti was to Martha Argerich’s performance in particular which I think is spectacularly good.

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Bryan Ho

The first movement sounds like a Scarlatti sonata. What a charming piece.

Elaine Blackhurst

Bryan Ho Opening with an ascending minor key arpeggio = (about ten years later) Beethoven Opus 2 No 1.

Vanessa

@Elaine Blackhurst Yes, that's what I thought. They sound so similar!

Gérard Begni

@Vanessa and Bryan. I both argee and diagree with you. I agree about thr xwriting. Scarlatti oves writing in nervous thirds, beaking off the too regular tonal plans. He also loved a rather limpid way of we riting, without unnessary heavy chords (he loved b nervously reper ted chords, often with accaituras). The writing of Scarlaii and Haydn hacve similar featues in that respect. Later one, in a heavier style, V Brahms had the same attractio for sixths. But they differ in a more subtle way: the medium term building and the orientation that it gives to harmonic thit rds progression. Scarlatti is still cleraly in the baroque way of writing, Haydn is in the sonta form, so he he as ro control the movement of large tonal areas to large other oens ' (here the major relative). Bt you are perfectly right when you noy te that these two architectural ays ot thinking lead to similar ways of writing. A fantastic synthesis, which alos include sixths, is the Prelude in F minor of the well tempererd clavier, second tome. The assiciated fuguie look like Mozart's two pianos fugue in c minor.

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