And In Time
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jaundis-i This present moment hits me slowly Right in my face and…

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Boy Oh, Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling From glen…

I am Outside I am all that I need And I'll be till I'm…
Please Return To Me Oh how I cried when you went away I nearly died…

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Generation Tech

2y↑66

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James Farquhar

You are way undersubbed on IG, SAD!

chris sonofpear1

Also, @Generation Tech , the ISD 1 and 2 do technically have quite different primary turret loadouts, besides the differences in comm/tractor beam towers (and they are technically the same object, just flipped 90 degrees, anyway)

heavenly777 protector

have you ever condsidered Thrawn vs The Empire, or rather the shitty parts of it?

john holland

@FlameWater llll

john holland

@FlameWater lall

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Childish is not a child

2y↑1.5K

When Tharwn comes backs to the star Wars galaxy, I seriously want him to win battles without any plot armor getting in his way, finally showing how dangerous Thrawn's Tactical and strategical mind to it's full potential really is. And now at the defeat in the hands of Ezra possibly his first defeat or one of, Thrawn will ultimately learn from his mistakes and become more powerful than ever before.

Nick Reed

2y↑1

Yeah, and hopefully in new canon not make the completely out of character mistake of not understanding why the nogri follow him

Nick Reed

@CylixGaming Yeah, his portrayal in rebels just makes him a cartoon villain. The factory "demonstration" is completely out of character.

Peter Didelius

tharwn

Kalil Asqary

@Angeliqz FR wanna see that

Melissa Kensington

The first season should be Thrawn systematically hunting down rebels. Let him destroy a core character that people love. Thrawn is dangerous and should be portraid as such.

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Yuri Zero

2y↑490

Man hearing about all that Imperial Hierarchy, Admiralty really makes me want more Imperial Briefing scenes just like in A New Hope. I enjoy listening Galactic command in their British accents talking about deployments, war counselling, planning etc etc etc.

Samuel Thompson

Oh boy, you're going to enjoy andor!

Randy Bobandy

@DoctorFeelGood the senate sucks

Will2brown

2y↑1

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 I'm talking about your imitation of an accent that imperial officers clearly don't have

Will2brown

2y↑2

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 This doesn't even make sense

SPSD458853

be great but in todays hollywood they wouldnt keep it to the white male theme as Lucas set up for a reason(he based the empire as the Nazis)

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Geostomp

2y↑907

This is one of many reasons why Thrawn should have been the villain for any sequel stories rather than the incompetence of the First Order and Zombie Palpatine in a trench coat.

Bonma

@Geostomp yes but he doesn't have the troops to win a war with the republic. He would first need to find a way to recruit new personal. Which would be difficult in a galaxy that unified against the empire.

Geostomp

@Bonma He might not start a war, but he'd fight one with them if he thought the New Republic was a serious impediment to his goals. Remember, he honestly believed that the Empire was the only force capable of bringing enough military might and control to ensure the galaxy was ready to defend itself from the Vong. He was the leader of the Empire for years after Palpatine died in the EU. He's a pragmatist, but he's fully on board with fighting one war if he thinks it'll free him up to prepare for a much larger one.

Bonma

Thrawn wants to create allies to fight against the chiss enemys. So even if he unifys the leftovers of the empire I don't believe he would start a war with the republic. That would wouldn't benefit his cause. :)

Nick Carncross

2y↑1

@Shadow Slayer this is why I will forever say legends/EU is far superior.

jayvhon calma

@Shadow Slayer if you do that thrawn would fuck the Yuuzhang vong up well that isn't hard technology pisses them off

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Maximo Martin

2y↑10

Thrawn was really tactical, reasonable, and just truly smart. But he lost many fights in Star Wars Rebels, because many of his officers failed to co operate with his plans.

Chris Braz

2y↑266

Loved that the Empire was Xenophobic but they were still so impressed by him that he still made top gun

Matthew Reynolds

@Null_IG22 None taken, though I am a published author in genetic evolution, so I might in fact know a bit of what I'm talking about. Not saying I'm a leading expert or anything, but I think it's safe to say that evolution as we understand tends not to produce as dramatic of changes as are observed in the Star Wars near-human diversity in time scales as low as 25,000 years. Still, it is fair to say it could have produced minor variations in skin tone and eye color, since we have reasonable evidence of human skin color evolution in that time frame. But the diversity seen in near-humans in the Star Wars universe is more than skin deep.

Null_IG22

@Matthew Reynolds Would love to see you call a blue eyed person a mutant and how that would roll out. Not to mention the area specialised buffs, if you will, of mutation and adaption. For someone so full of intricate and knowledge filled points, you left out the basics. I don't mean to suggest you arnt smart, I didn't know those points, just that you've missed the beautiful simplicity of evolution. No disrespect intended

Matthew Reynolds

It's probable that most of the near humans, including the Chiss, were genetically modified human stock. Humans have had hyperdrive for like 80,000 years and were using slow ship technology before that. Some of them may have evolved or mutated, but it's highly likely most of the near-humans were the result of deliberate genetic manipulation and eugenics. As such, the Empire probably would have considered the near-humans to be nearly enough human to be worth respect.

Null_IG22

Even a racist can only deny truth so much

Janine Johnstone

2y↑2

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 Same reason why Maul got double crossed by Pre Vizsla, then betrayed by Bo Katan when he was Manda'lore; to the detriment of his loyal troops. Ultimately this, and the decisions of Duchess Satine, led to the virtual destruction of Mandalore itself.

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john poop

2y↑114

when thrawn returns, i wouldn’t want him to be a villain that gets defeated by the good guys but rather a neutral character or at least an “anti-villain” who has his own agenda and serves to either make deals with the protagonists or serve as a third party
i could see him emerging from the unknown regions having either rejoined the chiss, managed an empire of the hand-inspired imperial remnant or a little of both
as a pragmatist and an intellectual, it’d make more sense for thrawn to have extremely complex and mysterious but ultimately reasonable goals

Alan Friesen

2y↑5

Thrawn's single weakness was his inability to navigate the politics. I don't think he could run an empire unless all of the politically powerful families were somehow destroyed.

Frank Dees

2y↑6

Have a kinda Michael Corleone ending huh? Defeats all his enemies and adversaries, and is only burdened and heartbroken for all those lost along the way. Competition wise though, he nevertheless outsmarts both his enemies and the police his entire career as Godfather.

Anthony Garcia

2y↑57

Thrawn's only fault is that he wished to teach other officers to see things the way he does and make them better. This works out well 90% of the time, but when he runs into people who refuse to learn like Konstanine, he usually doesn't see it until their idiocy ruins his well laid out plan.

ortiz guard2

2y↑263

The only ship missing from Thrawn's fleet was an anti-space whale cruiser.

kittycat0876

2y↑1

😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹

LimJahey

2y↑7

@Charles Saint LMFAO. ISD Pequod, Admiral Ahab

Charles Saint

2y↑25

What they needed was the Pequod captained by Ahab.

Jeremy T

2y↑210

The only thing that surprises me about it is that he would want so many ISD's. I am surprised that he didn't trade with other fleet commanders to get smaller smarter ships for some of those ISD's.

josé sanchez rodriguez

@Jeremy T Necessary when you swiped my points under the rug or seemed to outright dismiss them

Jeremy T

@josé sanchez rodriguez Your just talking in circles...

josé sanchez rodriguez

@Jeremy T Not at all, as I already stated, being the most complete does not mean it was perfect. Him identifiying a flaw and correcting it is not mutually exclusive with it being the most complete nor does it mean his opinion on the ship changed. You can point to any piece of military hardware that's considered the best and find any number of flaws or upgrades you could do to it but that doesn't mean it is not the best because flaws are inherent to everything and you can always make something better, take a look for example at the AR-15 series of rifles, you got the M16, M16A1, A2, M4, etc or the Abrahams battle tanks that have had many revisions over the years. Or in Star Wars terms, tell me which ship wouldn't benefit from carrying a squadron of TIE Defenders?
Furthermore, if the ISD isn't the most complete ship in the Imperial Navy, which is?

Jeremy T

@josé sanchez rodriguez Ugh yes and the fact that it needed something more proves my point that he didn't see it as what he once did. Thank you for proving my original point... eye roll

josé sanchez rodriguez

@Jeremy T Being the most complete doesn't mean it's perfect, no ship is and the TIE Defender was never meant to replace the ISD but to complement it

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Dennis Young

2y↑12

He really should have been the star of episodes 7-9. The Thrawn trilogy will always be the true sequals to me. With the remnants of the Empire on the run and the New Republic solidifying their hold he united the remaining fleets and nearly won in the end.

Emmanuel Rodríguez

2y↑87

Can't wait to see a live action Thrawn in Star Wars. Also, would you ever consider doing a video on Obi-Wan and his different lightsabers? I think it would be an interesting idea to look into, especially with the Kenobi show starting soon. Keep being awesome!

J B

@Grand Admiral Thrawn
Iacta alea est, it is Lars Mikkelsen, his bio looks good for the part.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

2y↑1

I'm looking forward to seeing him in live action too but I just pray that they use the voice he had in rebels. it's just so monotone, calm and just chilling. even if they use a different actor as the face and then voiceover using the actor in rebels. it would be perfect

BlackJack842

Different lightsaber ? He got like 2...

J B

2y↑3

That would be interesting, especially since Allen is selling them on the black market. 🤨

Jakob Smith

2y↑34

I’m surprised thrawn didn’t requisition a larger variety of ships. But I guess if star destroyers are what crews are trained on and the logistics are built around it does him no good to use venators and v-wings.

Jakob Smith

2y↑1

@Captain Hawking Republic Forge exactly. Like I said the logistics were built around star destroyers

Captain Hawking Republic Forge

Venators were scrapped.

Libra Miku

2y↑19

Thrawn's 7th Fleet reminds me of the Coruscant defense Fleet during the Clone Wars, the Kuat Ship Yards defending the unfinished Eclipse class Star Dreadnought, 2nd Death Star fleet... and the Supremacy Mega class Star Dreadnought Fleet.

On the other hand... for me on Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption... I mostly had one mega fleet that had the 2nd Death Star and at least 10 of each ship types in the fleet... and the score was around 250... that's massive with Grand Moff Tarkin taking command of the fleet with 6 space fleet commanders

BanzEye GAMING

@Blitzwing2011 Doesn’t stop a cool ship from being a cool ship.

Libra Miku

2y↑1

@Blitzwing2011 okay that doesn't stop me from liking a huge sizable fleet in Star Wars now can I?

Blitzwing2011

The Supremacy or whatever isn't canon.

Jim Johnston

2y↑11

Thrawn’s tactical skill came from studying the culture and art of his Target, learning how they react to things. Such as sneaking a cloaked vessel into a planet’s atmosphere before showing himself, so that the planetary shield appeared to be ineffective against his weaponry. He knew the race he was facing would immediately and unequivocally surrender if they thought their defenses were useless. Literally took a planet with one single turbo laser blast.

BanzEye GAMING

That’s from legends, right? Didn’t that trick only work because he had the clone of C’boath on his side, and the Dark Jedi used the Force to help the crews of the different vessels coordinate?

steve lenox

2y↑30

I personally think that there should of been more Tie Defenders as they were so much better than the standard Tie Fighter as for the size of his fleet I think it was just right for someone with his battle style

Alan Friesen

I would agree. The lives of those pilots have value, especially if they're experienced combatants.

steve lenox

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 hmm hadn't thought of that

steve lenox

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 huh I thought that all of the plans as well as the prototypes were taken by the Rebellion

steve lenox

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 interesting idea but there is a problem with that if you remember that all of the prototypes and the people that were working on it joined up with the Rebellion so he wouldn't of been able to get them the same is pretty much said for the Y wing still great suggestion

shayminister 492

2y↑2

Unfortunately his tie defenders needed funding, and priority was given to the Death Star, despite the director’s assistant seeing the power and efficiency of the defenders in action against the Grysk warships

Frostfang7

2y↑15

Isn't this because Thrawn is part of the twelve Grand Admirals, so he has more then average forces? Wish Lucasfilm incorporated more of the legends lore. Parts of legends lore was indeed flawed but still pretty cool.

CJ Clark

2y↑55

Because he knew his enemy, culturally and personally. That on top of his analytical mind made him near impervious.

Jonathan

2y↑68

Because Thrawn is one the best Star Wars villains ever existed.

DarksaberForce

I place him along with Darths Revan and Malgus

Alan Friesen

Yeah, I don't see him as a villain.

DS9TREK

@Jack Der Hauptmann💀 No such thing as a benevolent dictator, cos there's always someone opposing them.

Albert Oswald

2y↑4

Best character period!!!

PvtDE17

2y↑7

villain to the rest of the universe, hero to his people.

James Farquhar

2y↑9

Alan must have every star wars vid clip ever on his hard-drive, and all the books probably memorized the first time he read them! Alan has a very respectable obsession and he's a great communicator too, it's like he really is doing this to share his fascination with us, not just to make content and $$$,$$$

Euan Solaru

2y↑48

I know it’s very unlikely but I want thrawns return to mirror his legends one. Uniting the remnants of the empire and launching a campaign against the NR. Live action massive fleet battles and things like that

Bird_Manukilla

2y↑1

I don’t think Kathleen is smart enough for that.

saviorselfX29

2y↑1

@Nightmare Palpatine comes back with an insanely large fleet of new Star Destroyers, and shows that he hasn’t given up his obsession with attaching planet-killing super-lasers to his ships. It’s totally Dark Empire.

Spiffy Gonzales

2y↑1

@Nightmare
Sure they wouldn't man. Sure they wouldn't.

Nightmare

2y↑1

@Spiffy Gonzales ep 9 is not dark empire at all besides the fact that palpatine comes back. And Thrawn wouldn’t be handled by those people

Spiffy Gonzales

2y↑3

@Nightmare
No you don't. It's like when Disney did dark empire.
Ya know... episode 9.

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KrypticElement

2y↑51

The TIE Defender project > the Death Star project

3Rayfire

By a LOT!

Havco501st

2y↑12

Had they have more tie Defender projects the rebellion would be screwed

John Assal

2y↑4

I remember in the old EU a sector fleet was generally 32 victory class/ISDs plus an unspecified number of smaller frigates, assault cruisers and smaller. At least for the core sectors. Admittedly it's not as easy to wrap your head around all those ships and associated fighters in the various games but these smaller fleets don't mesh as well with how the Empire overkills everything, everytime.

PvtDE17

2y↑19

we need a full blown thrawn series, and it should be named "Thrawns Legacy".

Kayla Hills

From when I'm seen from Disney quality, I believe we should wait for 10 years until we get a proper story group to make a Thrawn series.

Tyler Ayers

2y↑1

What would probably happen is the show would be called thrawn and we'd have about four out of six of the episodes about somebody else entirely. Can he be a minor character in his own series. Trust me though, I'm a huge fan of all the thrawn books and I wish that that were true as well. Or even some sort of strategy game where you play as him

//

2y↑26

0:22 I'm pretty sure Thrawn wasn't actually exiled. He was only pretending to be exiled so he could attract and sneak onto an imperial ship. He was probably doing this as part a mission by the Chiss to understand the Empire.

Nightmare

2y↑2

@Inquisitorial Candidate - 12 it was explained in book 1 of the non ascendancy canon Thrawn trilogy

Inquisitorial Candidate - 12

2y↑5

Yep, you're right. It was shown in Ascendancy book 3

Jonathan Watts

2y↑53

Star Wars has the worst tactics. On the side of rebel command they wasted what ships they had trying to beat a larger force when they could of gone any direction the forward.

TheZombielayer

2y↑2

@BillyTheKid I think the battle at the start of Revenge of the Sith has ships in a more 3D battle. Then of course you've got the original Clone wars (The Tartakovsky one) which has I think the same battle but the ships are all in different positions as opposed to Ep3 where they're just on a different levels but all the right way up.

Tristan Kawatsuma

2y↑10

Could you do a video about what would happen if the Jedi were successful in stopping Order 66 and Palpatine? I’m just imagining the chaos that would ensue with the power vacuum in the Senate, the Separatists reorganizing, and the clone troopers at risk of being tossed aside earlier than they were, if only by a few months to a few years earlier. I would imagine the only good thing that would happen right away would be the Jedi Order saving their reputation.

Robert Agu

They STILL wouldn't and didn't have a reconstituted, well trained and we'll equipped personal non Clone Army of their own.. so toss the whole army out is too basically automatically lose the war... The Seps NEVER knew they was being played as a sham anyways so they'd not stopped they'd just steamrolled it all an took over. Most rest sounds alright but the Clones woulda stuck till end of the war. Just in Palpatine's absence there's not much of a dictatorship or alot more worse orders then "66"

Robert Nelson

That sounds like a great video.

Bobulation Nation

2y↑1

Actually when Thrawn first appears in the books he had mostly victory class star destroyers because they were quicker an cheaper to build so he could have an use many of them and gave him a better tactical advantage

Stefan Burns

2y↑3

Love the star wars info as always, FYI I made it to Poland and am successfully volunteering in Krakow helping Ukrainian refugees. Thanks again for the lead and pointing me in the right direction!

Scott M

2y↑5

I heard it was just because Thrawn was overcompensating for some personal "shortcomings", and in "A Galaxy Far, Far Away", he couldn't find an H1 Humvee, or a dually monster truck.

Tony Jackson

2y↑1

Thrawn was big on having his men supplied appropriately, with effective gear to carry out missions. He wasn't big on "canon fodder/disposable numbers" way most higher up Imperials treated their rank and file.

Isaac Kim

2y↑51

If the late Governor Arynda Pryce hadn’t screwed up on Lothal, she and Thrawn would’ve been a power couple.

Captain Hawking Republic Forge

2y↑4

He didn't even wanted her

gri som

2y↑7

If you knew about the first book, you'd know he chose her not because he wanted to be around her especially when he suspected she blew up a city, but he needed her at the time. But at that point she started to outlive her usefulness.

Robert Nelson

2y↑15

I bet Pryce would overstep her bounds and piss off Thrawn at some point.

Paul McNutt

2y↑3

Of any one in the Imperial Navy deserving of a SSD, it’s Thrawn. I’ve wondered why, as a grand admiral he didn’t have a Super Star Destroyer as his flagship. Was this personal preference? Or was it related to how he tended to frown on the bigger=better Tarkin doctrine?

A Slice Of Cheese

2y↑3

He refused to be given a super star destroyer cuz it was too bulky and slow and just merely a show of power instead of being actually useful

lukedalton

More because exist only a dozen of them and he is probably the last of the list of who get them due to him being an alien

Jay

2y↑21

I always though it was because he was a grand admiral and won many battles

Lord Vanazir

2y↑1

i was always curious as to why Thrawn never had any lancer class ships in his fleet, would have thought he would jump and the chance to add a good number of these ships to bolster his anti fighter defenses for his fleet, especially when dealing with a more mobile fighter dependent rebellion.

Necro

2y↑2

Can’t wait to see more of Thrawn!! Great video as always!

Jeffrey Randall

Allen have you started any series about what happened after the fall of the second Death Star? I mean Thrawn I believe would have went after a shipyard and a piece of the Galaxy.

Gregg Pokey

2y↑2

If Thrawn had been the Supreme Commander of the Navy I bet the Empire would have won. Might be a neat "what if" scenario for a comic or something.

Scott Eggert

2y↑1

While the Imperial 7th Fleet was large it was way too light on smaller combat ships. (i.e. the patrol cutters, frigates, and light cruisers) So it was very limited in its ability to use such smaller forces and ships as Tripwire Fleet Defence. (i.e. ships of negligible combat value but whose sudden loss would indicate where enemy forces are operating in strength.) thus giving the Ships of the Line a warning of where to look for the enemy to pin down, Hold in place and then destroy said forces.

lukedalton

2y↑1

Well it's more or less the problem of the entire imperial armed forces, they have the function of scare people in submission with a big show of force and aggrade Palpy and his cronies egos...not being functional

Lord Vader

2y↑1

The ISD I's actually have half decent point defense systems, that's why Thrawn favoured the Chimera to any ISD II, he knew the Rebels and he knew of their hit and run roles, that was a large reason as to why he was so effective, he knew the rebels and used the weapons necessary to defeat a mobile force.

Lavernius Tucker

2y↑13

Rae Sloane's fleet was big enough to rival the 7th fleet

Mr.Tobacco

2y↑1

But most likely would lose against Thrawn.

Nightmare

2y↑6

Thrawn would likely win though

Shadx27

Though needing some twinks, I really want to make more of Tie Fighter PC game canon. One twink, Admiral Karyn Faro will have to replace Thrawn in game. Which makes the last mission of defeating Zaarin in the unknown territories a nice stepping stone to a certain reunion. And if Ezra Bridger met a very minor dark acolyte who had pretty good reasons not to trust the dark side and was a pilot second only to Vader.. that would be interesting too.

wolfu597

2y↑4

Alan, my allegiance as well are to the Republic.
But when it comes to Thrawn, I would've fought on the side of the Empire.

Nick Vinsable

🤔 . . . Honestly, I think it could’ve used something bigger than an Imperial Class Star Destroyer. Maybe a breakdown of that or something?

Sky Den

2y↑1

There was a mention of a Star Destroyer's carrying capability of both AT-AT's & TIE Fighters. What is the explanation for choosing to pronounce the acronym of an All Terrain Armored Transport as "A" "T" "A" "T" instead of "at at" while also choosing to pronounce the acronym for a Twin Ion Engine Fighter as "tie fighter" instead of "T" "I" "E" "Fighter"? Seems to be the equivalent of calling Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus "scuba" while calling National Aeronautics and Space Administration "N" "A" "S" "A". 🤷‍♂️🙄😉😏

Lord vader

Isn't it strange how Trawn's favourite ship was the interdictor which stops smaller fleets from running away but he is used to fighting w larger fleets in his years with the Chiss fleet.

TK99

2y↑1

In Legends Admiral Zarin was supposedly responsible for creating the cheaper TiE AVENGER (from the TiE Advanced) and for modifying the TiE Defender for mass production. Since appears that Zarin found was to make both starfighters cheaper and easier to make. Which is why they were later intended to replace all TiE fighters.

MannyXVIII

well, what I find to be a major difference between ISD 1s and 2s is that only the latter seem to get the octuplet turrets on the sides.
Edit: interesting. Seems like SW:Rebels disagrees with me here. I shall relate this to the X4 Interworlds modder.

doteman92

2y↑1

Once we get to see Thrawn again, will we see the Grysk? Also, what will be the condition of both the 7th fleet and Chiss. when we see him?

snakes3425

Part of me wants to say Thrawn's fleet was Palpatine's personal fleet. Hell I always thought Thrawn and Palpatine would be friends having bonded over their passion for art

NYG1991

2y↑1

Tarkin & Thrawn were the 2 most gifted tacticians in the Imperial Navy. They are both similar in so many ways. I don’t even know who’s smarter.

I read Tarkin. Good book. I’m up to the last novel in the Ascendancy trilogy. Check it out.

John Reed

I think with more specialize ships, TIE/D Defenders, and Lancers…..maybe Imperial Gozanti-class Cruisers retooled for the role… he is better equipped for the outer rim but space whales are hard to trying to defend oneself in the moment.

Bored

2y↑3

Finally some good imperial themed holovids! Glory to the Empire!

matejkar 666

Some of the ship lengths and classifications mentioned in the video i think are a bit off. I might be wrong, but from what i know, the Arquitens is exactly 325m long.. and the Immobilizer class SD is misclassified. The real classification is "Immobilizer-418 class heavy cruiser", and its built on the hull of a Vindicator class heavy cruiser, making it exactly 600m long.

Iratefiend

2y↑4

Thrawn in the EU (Legends) Was way cooler and scarier in the Novels. He'd make his plans due to a people's artwork. Soo much so that Captain Pellaeon used to compair Admiral Dalla's plans to how Thrawn would do it. Kinda belittleing her, to her face. "That's not how Grand Admiral Thrawn would do it"

Nightmare

@Twat in the books he isn’t beaten that’s just in rebels because it’s a kids show

Twat

@Nightmare until he gets beaten by plot armour that makes rey's look weak

Nightmare

The canon stuff is actually super cool, especially the first book.

SonofEyeaboveall Effoff

2y↑3

Agreed. Anything in the EU is a million times better than canon.

Patrick Doherty

2y↑10

Thrawn should have been the founder and leader of the First Order. Further prove there was no plan for the sequel trilogy.

Death

While true; its also unlikely we would of seen a ship like the resurgent. And Considering his age, I doubt he would of lived to the sequels (Considering he was probably in his mid to late 40s, and then stack up 34 years ontop)

Kayla Hills

2y↑1

Agree

Dark O-man

It's one of those things, that I would want to see a universe where the OT was done with the EU already made so we'd get Thrawn in films

Prismatic Beetle

when I played Starwars rebellion (the old game) I usually skipped building the death star and focused on tie defenders and lancer cruisers, which pretty much nullified the rebel's advantage of insanely good fighter units.

early game I had to play defensively because the rebels just had too much mobility and the starfighters were so good that my star destroyers were pretty much dead meat after I lose the fighter screens, but after I reach the tie defender researcher, the empire suddenly becomes just as mobile as the rebels and the already better capital ships get to finally shine when they are not being gang R***ed by swarms of X AND Y wings.

yarnick goovaerts

2y↑1

Can you do more videos on units and commanders within the imperial army?

double0bigby

2y↑1

star destroyer carried an imperial wing which was 72 TIE fighters and 6 support shuttles. the difference between a ISD 1 and an ISD 2 was the isd 2 traded the majority of its ion cannon load out for for heavy turbo laser batteries.....

Matthew Eaton

am I the only one that thinks even the 7th fleet isn't big enough for the lothal sector. In one episode thrawn mentions how he thought the rebels could be hiding in any of 1,000 systems in that sector. And as we all know a system is a group of planets. So a few dozen ships is crazy small for that amount of planets.

Aaron Freeman

In the EU, he'd look at the art of a species, and learned their flaws, strengths, and how to exploit it.

Sombody that You used to know

2y↑9

In episode 8 Leia didn't had the right to blame all of the deaths in the assault against the dreagthnought, ok, Dameron disobeyed orders and turned off his comms but she had a higher authority, she could just ordered to the bombers to go back but she didn't so the deaths of the pilots are also kinda of her fault and not just Dameron's ( I ask for forgiveness for my poor use of the english lenguage)

Appo

2y↑8

While being a grand admiral would give him a fair amount of freedom to do certain things, I'm curious if he received any comments about having that emblem on his flagship.

Fenriz Sharp

@Death he absolutely added that himself. If you've read the ascendancy books you'd know he has to

Death

I dont remember, I gotta check the comics, but i think the chimerea always had the insignia

Fenriz Sharp

2y↑1

Cant recall any in the new books. Most we're Probably to scared to question a grand admiral

Jens W.

Perhaps it also simply was meant to invite stupid mistakes by their enemies:

"Sir, we outnumber a standard imperial fleet by 2:1, let's attack and overwhelm them!"
jumps into the system
"Oh crap!"

Alejandro Urbina

This is my favorite Star Wars channel and I'm subscribed to a lot of them!

Dan Percz

2y↑1

Just imagine the entire Endor fleet with Tie Defenders 🤯

charlesn898

2y↑2

Just imagine the first Death Star being protected by a contingent of TIE Defenders. Luke and the Yavin Rebels sent out to attack it likely would've been wiped out.

Helm09

2y↑1

I think that what makes Thrawn so compelling and likeable is why he can't win. Thrawn embodies the actual ideals of the Empire on paper and has managed to instill them in his fleet. A actual meritocracy where the most competent and skilled rise to the top and officers aren't worried about some space wizard murdering them for failing to follow impossible and insane order (Vader and the asteroid field anyone?). The issue is if you have a tactical genius who is an effective leader with loyal soldiers and superior hardware then the only reasonable ways he can loose are against someone who can match wits with him, some one who could totally overpower him, or plot armor. The rebels lack the two former, with the exception of maybe Admiral Ackbar, and Jedi maguffins can only be pulled so many times before its emersion breaking, which is pretty much what happens in Rebels tv show and why the ending, to me at least, feels super unsatisfying. He's a bad guy in Disney and he represents a reasonable way for good guys to loose so I doubt we will get to see him again and if we do he certainly won't be the threat he was pre-Disney. Empire Forever!

Leon S Kennedy

2y↑1

Hoping one day to see Thrawn's return. He's just too damn good as a SW villain.

Fenriz Sharp

Ahsoka show

Paerigos

ISD 2s had more turbolasers and less point defence guns to ISD 1s.

In legends Chimera was refited post Endor to ISD2 standard.
Pelleaon why loving the ships wasnt sure it was right thing to do.

Reid Veryan

ISD-II also has has a more reinforced hull and both heavier and more numerous turbolaser emplacements.

jayvhon calma

The Imperial 7th Fleet was similar to the US 7th fleet

Stevan Markovski

I still say that the 7-th fleet was so large because Thrawn was fighting Admiral Zaarin's coup.

Kiko Carrasqullo

2y↑1

I just started re reading Thrawn Alliances yesterday. What perfect timing for a Thrawn video!

Hans-Georg Grützmacher

2y↑1

Everyone should read the original heritage of the character thrawn, wich is heir to the empire! THAT should be made into movies^^
Maybe the best story in all of Star Wars.

Tsar Fox

Well the main reason his fleet was so large was he needed extra ships to carry the entire Empire.

SubNinja80

2y↑1

It is a fact that I don't even consider him a alien just another version of us. A lot of the Humanlike Aliens are like this to me.

redant89

I like to think he was a little force sensitive when you think about it he was mostly to accurate

Albert Kapua

2y↑1

disney needs to make a series based on the imperial navy

Techrat3D

2y↑1

If Thrawn would have been in command of the imperial fleet during ESB or ROTJ, then the rebellion would have seriously been in a huge pile pf Bantha Poodoo.

Walker Hartge

2y↑2

He was also given control of a prototype anti-fighter called the Lancer which did not appear in the show. But it had 22 quad rapid-fire laser cannons, anti-fighter missiles and cluster bombs.

Walker Hartge

@saviorselfX29 do you have the game empire at war on steam and if you do, do you have the mod thrawn's revenge?

saviorselfX29

2y↑1

Ahhh, the Lancer-class frigate, the bane of every starfighter pilot in the Rebel and New Republic fleet! I miss those things …

jamespfp

RE: "It is amazing that Palpatine wasn't killed by the Imperial Bureaucracy." [paraphrased] -- Yes, but No. Palpatine instituted the Bureaucracy because, as a Dark Side Force user, he is able to control it. The Dark Side is about exercising Power via direct control, and as Anakin (and others) show, this includes mechanical systems (biological too) as well as bureaucratic ones. So yeah; Palpatine's Bureaucracy is perhaps patterned a little on the Persians of the early Iron Age, as well as Hitler, in the 20th century.

Jason Griffiths

Is it true Thrawn will be in the Ahsoka Tano series on Disney+? I would love to see him in live-action.

Grootatron

2y↑1

Average imperial: this is just a painted helmet
Grand Admiral Thrawn: you can quite easily see be the way that the paint is applied that this is the work of Sabine Wren, and what she painted represents ___________.

Ivan Renov

Thrawn was the reason the first order was unmatched in the sequels. This has to be the reason !!

João Soares

Thrawn is my favourite character, he wins not by force, but by out smarting his opponents

EB

opinion: if they had diverted funding from death star into thrawns defende class tie fighter, the imperials would of solidified air superiority and the rebels would of suffocated

Collin Spencer

hes definitely gonna be the ultimate big bad for the "new universe of stories" KK was talking about. Filoni and Favreau wont disappoint with the Thrawn trilogy at their disposal lol.

Indo-Fury

2y↑4

Can you do a top 10 Features of the Helicarrier from the MCU since you did top 10 flaws with the Hulk buster please

quentinmwilson

2y↑5

Thrawn is too good for Disney to handle.

Dominik Fábos

I just watched the s3 finale and this came out exactly when i finished 😱
The will of the force this js

xXSafaron

It would be interisting to see how thrawn would fare in the rebellion

George Lucas

2y↑4

The Arqutiens class was actually 325 meters

Indo-Fury

2y↑1

Hey George Lucas your so amazing and thank you for making Star Wars.

Kartiye' Lovejoy

2y↑1

oh shit the legend pin him

Paulnoter55

Okay, so I'm not read up on Canon as opposed to Legends, but regarding the ISD-1 vs. ISD-2 and their differences at around the 6:50 timestamp:

There are several additional differences in Legends regarding the ISD-2, the most notable of which were replacing the heavy dual turbolaser batteries on either side of the bridge with octuple-turbolaser batteries. Additionally, they featured more powerful shields, a reduction in what few point defense batteries existed on the ISD-1, and (in some sources, it's not always consistent) swapped out ion cannons for additional turbolasers.

Different games and media have had different interpretations but it seems like the ISD-1 was an all-rounder (as much as the Empire made all-rounders in their capitals, anyways), while the ISD-2 was definitively meant to engage in ship-to-ship warfare. While dual heavy turbolasers are deadly in their own right, most media has portrayed the octuple turbolaser batteries as being especially deadly in capital ship battles.

AMS Fountain

How big is the Galactic Empire? I mean if The GE had 25.000 ISD and they had those in "small" 5-10 fleets they had still thousands of fleets.

wedgeantillies66

Obvious error as Imperial star destroyers carry average 6 squadrons of fighters, not three

Cooper Wright

i must say thrawn is one of if not the most undisputed and best strtigical mind and comander ever but it does not matter because 52 cruisers is a lot for anyone if anyone could handle it it would be thrawn but being as the people under him are incopitent and fight over glory which lead to a big defeat for thrawn in rebeles maybe its too many ships

John Cunningham

Thrwn had no problems controlling his Fleet . What he COULDN'T control was an Ezra Bridger with an Axe to Grind .

Pat Smith

I thought the standard load for ISD were 6 Tie squadrons.

C Med (TheUniverseofCMed)

Thrawn's philosophy was reflected best.
1. He believed that the ISD was one of the best warships to be ever deployed by the Empire. You don't need bigger ships, just build more of them.
2. The ISD's weakness is the TIE Fighter. The starfighter is too weak, reducing the ISD to a powerful battleship vulnerable to starfighter attack. His TIE Defender was designed for the best pilots and save experience from being lost.
3. Thrawn was very much against the Death Star project. Using enormous resources to control or dominate a sector could have been used to build more star destroyers and TIE Defenders to pursue insurgents and enforce every sector in the galaxy.

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