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The Fleets Lyrics

We have lyrics for these tracks by The Fleets:

Boy Oh, Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling From glen…
I am Outside I am all that I need And I'll be till I'm…
Please Return To Me Oh how I cried when you went away I nearly died…

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Most interesting comment from YouTube:

Bob Blue West

3y↑1

Always wondered why there isn't a route along the Strand. Same annoyance from Knightsbridge straight west. Stations:
- Royal Albert Hall (Change for Museums and Embassy sieges.)
- High St. Ken (District & Circle)
- Holland Park South (for Earl's Crt Rd, Design Museum)
- Kensington Olympia (Overground)
- Brook Green
- Hammersmith (re-join the Picc. westbound.)

Obviously the Piccadilly Line, with an additional route option, like the Northern at Camden Town.

All comments from YouTube:

Patte

3y↑118

In 1977, my family and I were among the waves of tourists coming to London. It was our first trip to England, and my brother and I were still little enough to travel at significantly cheaper fares. We still have our little Silver Jubilee jackets, and I still have my scratchy lurex Silver Jubilee socks.

We spent a week in London, and then Dad rented a car, and drove us throughout southern England.

In 1979, we spent a week in London, en route to a conference in Vilach, Austria, where Dad was a featured speaker. But we didn't ride the Jubilee Line, because it hadn't opened yet.

Kaitlyn L

3y↑2

That reminds me of how my Oyster card is the 150th anniversary design. Not very useful anymore as I don’t live nearby anymore and you can more easily use contractless with a smartphone nowadays. But I don’t want to send it in to get the £2 off it because I know it’s a more significant piece of ephemera than normal Oysters!

Caroline Greenwell

3y↑191

I can never see name Jubilee without remembering how my youngest daughter, only about 5 years old at the time, read the signs as Jubbly - lovely jubbly

Ian McClavin

3y↑4

I feel sorry for the poor lass born in 1977, whose mother named her "Juby" !!

Tevildo

3y↑7

@Ian McClavin I recall that there was a young girl at the time who named her new (transplanted) kidney "Juberly".

Ian McClavin

3y↑3

@Tevildo Nothing would surprise me anymore!!

Ian Thomson

3y↑6

My name for it is the Jumbly Line.

Caroline Greenwell

3y↑4

@Ian McClavin hahaha ... was their surname Lee ?

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James Butler

3y↑24

A very interesting history Lesson.
And that last dad pun, "snatching victory..." had me groaning in delight. 😂

hihideho

3y↑14

As a backpacking Aussie visiting London in 1979, I was bemused by all the controversy over NOT naming the new line the Fleet Line. It seems there were signs and other forms of written protest everywhere. Perhaps the cleverest of all was by someone who penned "Fleet Line? Don't Jubilee-ve it!".

John Murrell

3y↑9

The Fleet Line Station in Canon Street is nearly complete now - it has reappeared as the new entrance to Bank Station in Canon Site. The Site of the station box was preserved so could be used for the new ticket hall.

I'm surprised the costs were only £50k I remember going to the stores in the old tram depot in Acton hunting for some equipment that had been removed from a 60TS train. The stores had a the Fleet Line enamelled signs that had been manufactured and were heading for the scrap bin. In some cases at interchange stations the enamelled line diagrams had 'Jubilee Line' plates riveted over the Fleet line connections. I wonder how many of these there are still on stations today ?

There is also a long story about the Fleet line ATO / ATP - that was going to be an upgrade to the Victoria Line with 4 speeds - however the signal engineers had not consulted the rolling stock engineers on how these 4 speeds were going to be achieved in the days before electronic traction equipment. Spent a long time experimenting with how to get 4 stable speeds out of a train with camshaft traction control. It did not go well, we had far too many operations of the camshaft as the train went faster than the desired speed and then cut the power to the motors and when the speed fell re-apply the power resulting in another camshaft operation. We tried only using one, two, three or 4 sets of motors but while better that did not work well enough.

Ross Maynard

3y↑30

"Victory from the jaws of de-fleet". Sheer bloody poetry!

We had a street party for the Silver Jubilee. It was good. I was very young at the time.

Chazzy B

3y↑6

My dad's contribution was a jubilee cocktail, he somehow worked out how to pour three colours of liquid into a glass and not mix them, giving us red white and blue striped drinks. I'll have to ask him how he did that? Being an alcoholic probably helped. God only knows how he and his liver are still with us nearly half a century later?

Mike Hindson-Evans

3y↑5

Thank you for a delightful example of British cynicism, within a truly important historical document. Much appreciated. Mike

Nigel Corbett

3y↑12

From my memory at the time, escalators were the problem. At the time, there were only so many new escalators to go round and London Transport had the choice to open either the Jubilee Line or the Heathrow extension , and rightly chose the latter, which opened in 1977.
The jubilee line just shadowed the Bakerloo line at the time, whereas the Heathrow extension was transformative. Before, passengers had the schlep their luggage up stairs and onto the A1 bus in the forecourt.

Tina 0206

3y↑3

Did you mean to make that pun?

Nigel Corbett

3y↑3

@Tina 0206 no, but I’ll take the credit anyway!

Fredzo.real.

3y↑26

I use the Jubilee line every day and go past West Hampstead. At 2.18 there is a southbound pulling in at West Hampstead and just above the train is the word 'runchy' spray painted on the wall 5 times in a row. I have no idea what it means, but whenever I go past, I count all the runchys.

After writing this, I realised that I now seem incredibly weird but I must put this out there

Graham Stubbs

3y↑6

That is just so runchy.

Paul Stanley

3y↑9

You are not weird.
What is probably weird, is that I and probably many others have waited till 2:18 to look for the word Runchy, or is that Rumchy?!
Weirder still, I googled Runchy West Hamspead 'checks notes' - do not google Runchy West Hampstead...

Fredzo.real.

3y↑5

@Paul Stanley i googled it... 🙈👀

TRiG (Ireland)

3y↑4

Probably someone's graffiti tag.

Paul Stanley

3y↑4

TRiG (Ireland) I did wonder if Runchy tagged that wall whilst laying on the corrugated roof, so spraying upside down, or with a ladder from the other side of the tracks...
Okay, I admit it, it's getting weird now; sorry everyone.

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flyentity

3y↑5

At the time of the renaming shenanigans I was a young teenager and something of a Tube geek. I have a memory (or perhaps a dream?) that there was a an informal campaign against altering the name from Fleet which went along the lines(!) of "Don't Jubelivee it". It did have a certain ring to it, and I quickly subscribed to the notion. Does anyone else recall this, or am I making it up? I honestly don't know.

On another matter; do Tube maps with the proposed Fleet line visible as under construction have any great value given what transpired? I don't own one, but am just wondering.

QPRTokyo

3y↑41

Jubilee is a great name. I remember going to London in the early seventies and shocked by the state of the tube. No investment. Dreadful stations. Extremely dirty. I remember reading in the 1990’s it would take fifty years to modernise it and bring up to scratch. I remember in 1986 I travelled on the Underground and two day’s later on the Tokyo Metro. It was like comparing a tent to a mansion. I have been so happy to see the Underground improve over this century.

Will Hovell

3y↑11

Mostly down to Labour investment , locally and nationally

Ian Kemp

3y↑13

Sadly the statement about things being dirty is borne out by the Kings Cross fire of 1987 caused by accumulation of grease and rubbish. That gave an incentive to do a big clean-up job. Nobody had truly realised how dangerous it could be, although there were a couple of small warning fires in previous years.

Ian Kemp

3y↑7

RODRIGUEZ SANCHEZ But actually the gradual accumulation of tunnel dirt, soot, dust and other fine combustible materials was a key factor. People had been dropping cigarette ends for decades but as long as things were kept reasonably clean it didn't matter. Grease on it's own won't burn at all easily, nor will solid wooden slats, but if you get a fire because lots of other combustible stuff is around and it gets up to a high temperature, lots of unexpected things will burn suddenly. The other horrible example of that era was the Bradford City stadium fire of 1985, where again once the fire took hold, it spread with terrifying speed. Good housekeeping matters. In 2008 a US explosion razed a factory to the ground after dust became airborne. The material? Sugar. Likewise flour and grain silos regularly go bang.

H B

3y↑1

RODRIGUEZ SANCHEZ I do hope that you do not mean your comments seriously.

H B

3y↑2

@Ian Kemp 1970s Admiralty : aluminium ships don't burn. 1982 : They do if you spill a tank full of missile fuel on them and then fire the detonator on the missile.

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Mark Woodley

3y↑5

My first March Break trip was to London in 1977 with my school, I didn't realise it coincided with the Silver Jubilee year, maybe this is the reason we heard the authorities were relocating the homeless.

Ian moseley

3y↑13

That interchange at Westminster always makes me feel I'm stepping into an Escher drawing

Recessio

3y↑5

Great video, love the slightly more relaxed style. Would love to see more videos on the GLC/LCC and history of London government

Premi Kyam

39w↑1

Indeed. the activities of LT/TfL are inextricably linked with the GLC/LCC and the results of the directives/machinations from the erstwhile County Hall . Including roads and development of post war housing projects resulting in the London of today.

AndreiTupolev

3y↑15

I'd always taken the colour to be silver, in reference to the Silver Jubilee. I also wonder if LT may have been keen to avoid anything that might recall the Daimler Fleetline bus, or DMS as LT called it, about which they were not particularly over the moon

High Path

3y↑2

the Fleetline, in is Londoner Body, as brought about by Bennett following his Mancunian. Actually not a bad bus IF the LT Garages had read and followed Leylands service manual for it.

RH

3y↑3

Hey, the DMS was an excellent bus, at least for those major provincial operators who understood the concept of "alter our maintenance procedures to suit the buses" rather than LT's preferred "try to alter the buses to suit our rigid maintenance procedures".

It's not unreasonable to say that LT's determination to dump the DMS kept the rest of the country's bus operators afloat at a time when British Leyland simply couldn't be arsed to supply buses within a year or two of them being ordered and those companies needed to get rid of the last of their conductor operated buses simply to stave off bankruptcy.

Flemming Sorensen

3y↑77

Having been offline for a few weeks, what better way to get “back in the game”, than with one of your info and dry humor packed videos 😉

Mike Jones

3y↑1

Will the Elizabeth line be renamed back to CrossRail? Probably not, but it would make its (unique) role much more obvious. Then Thameslink can be renamed Crossrail 2, saving billions, and perhaps resulting in a rationalisation of its routes. At Horsham yesterday- no one getting on the Thameslink (12-car train) to Peterborough, to anywhere, and certainly not Peterborough!

Chen Yean Ming Takumi

@Mike Jones There's a project named Crossrail 2 from Chealsea to Hackney

Mike Jones

3y↑2

@Chen Yean Ming Takumi not sure it’s quite the imperative it was….🤔. But rebranding THAMESLINK and reducing its geographical scope might clarify things a bit?

H B

@Mike Jones Looking at the map, if it makes sense to call the Elizabeth Line Crossrail, shouldn't Thameslink be renamed to Uprail or Downrail ?

Kaitlyn L

3y↑1

@H B it’s Crossrail not Siderail. You can go across (a circle/complex shape) in any direction relative to the compass and/or gravity.

phmc123

3y↑10

"Snatched victory from the jaws of da fleet". Brilliant. Your videos are always worth waiting for.

Diorama Don

3y↑5

9 minute build up to that punch line. Worth every minute.

Bruce Williams

3y↑2

On my first visit to Britain, in 1977, the Fleet line was news. On later visits, I wondered what happened to it, and found out. Thanks, as ever, for another great video.

Ralph Jackson

I was born in 1964 and just missed hearing about it,somehow. I heard the name Horace Cutler from my Dad talking about something to do with London politics,but other than the fact that he was GLC leader in the 70s knew little else about him or what he looked like until watching this. By the time I came in,he'd been succeeded as GLC leader by "Red" (as the right wing papers always dubbed him) Ken Livingstone.

Rog5446

3y↑10

That BDT van outside Fenchurch Street station must have clocked up dozens of parking tickets, as it has not moved for weeks.

Wrong Shirt

Regarding the renaming from Fleet to Jubilee, I moved to London in 1983 and I regularly saw the line diagrams on some Circle Line trains with an interchange at Baker Street to the Fleet Line, at least 4 years after the Jubilee Line had opened. I wish I'd taken a photo now.

Future

3y↑8

I’m pretty sure the Bakerloo line wasn’t named after a company but was named so because it originally went between Baker St. and Waterloo

Franek W.

And also Hammersmith & City because it was created in 1990…

Ian Kemp

3y↑1

Its original title was The Baker Street & Waterloo Railway. However the Hammersmith and City name was new - that was previously just a branch of the Metropolitan Railway.

Ralph Jackson

1y↑1

If they extended the Hammersmith & City Line all the way to Upminster they could call it the Hamster Line.

Shalott63

@Franek W. In fact the name Hammersmith and City was resurrected from that of the Hammersmith and City Railway, a joint GWR-Metropolitan subsidiary that had actually built the line from Paddington to Hammersmith (I mean, the one via Westbourne Park etc.) back in the day, but then just gradually got absorbed into the Met. Therefore technically the H&C line really is named after the company that built [part of] it.

Martyn Fletcher

I recently stumbled across your channel and very glad I did. Great videos and superb narration. Bravo, Old Cake, bravo. 👏🏻

Roger Bond

3y↑29

'Flleet Street, London's street of shame...' -yet again I was drawn in by the trains, stayed for the social history, and left with a stack of one-liners I wish I'd written...
Mr Hazzard, you are enviably and devilishly good at this.

H B

The epithet "Street of Shame" for Fleet Street is not original, it dates back to the days of Sweeney Todd.

Ralph Jackson

So it's not Soho,then?

JI Ioannidis

I was in London in the spring of 1977 as a teenager; I remember the tube map listing the Fleet line as under-construction. By the way, I remember the jubilee madness; in my box of childhood memories, I still have a bus ticket, from those machines that held a roll of paper and the conductor would rotate a handle and issue a ticket of the appropriate value, and the reverse of the ticket had a jubilee theme! The next spring we went to London again on vacation, and it had been renamed to Jubilee. It was still under construction, of course. At the time, I had assumed that the name change made sense, it's good to finally find out about the exact politics that led to it. I can just imagine Sir Humphrey arguing for and against the name change :)

catmachine0

3y↑2

I do remember as a child seeing new metal maps on the Northern Line platforms with the interchanges for the Fleet Line marked - including an indication for one at Bank which was where it would have crossed the Bank branch. They had to rivet corrections over the top!

catmachine0

3y↑1

… also I remember the slogan on stickers campaigning against the change: “Don’t Jubilee’ve It!”

Iain Lindley

3y↑5

I think even without the subsequent rerouting, and even though the way in which the name was chosen was a bit daft, with the benefit of hindsight “Jubilee Line” is far superior to “Fleet Line”.

Neil Bain

3y↑3

How truly informative. It ties in with the fleet of other Fleet related videos. I always thought it was Silver for the Jubilee. Such was how things dribbled down to us kids in 1977 what with only three channels. I think we got a school holiday too. There were street parties, just like the end of WW2, and the Coronation, even in Scotland, where Edinburgh painted two buses silver.
I'm sorry- any mention of Cutler and I think of Ivor Bicarbonate of Chicken, Life in a Scotch Sitting Room Vol 2 Cutler.

[ In Scotland the pillar boxes don't carry the E II R crest and in fact have the Scottish Crown and no monarch's initials nor number ( it was OK for E VII R, G V R, E VIII R(*) and G VI R as they're all over the place but the Scottish Nationalists had just nicked the Stone of Scone aka The Stone of Destiny (The Scone of Stone? The Scone of Dysentery?) and feelings were still sensitive to the idea that Elizabeth was only the First in Scotland, and the first First Elizabeth had cut the Scottish Queen's head off.
(*) There's at least 3 Edward the 8th pillar boxes in Scotland; 2 in Tobermory, 1 in Glasgow. There's about 160 left in the UK. I can vouch for 2 in Birmingham. ]

Ralph Jackson

1y↑1

Rizzla "or is it grey?" silver.

Richard Day

The 'tunnelling' and station construction for Bond street seemed to go on for years (8?). They used the open cast method, and dug a massive hole in oxford street, pedestrians walking on narrow elevated wooded walkways.
I very much resented the jubilee trains replacing the old but luxury bakerloo trains on the stanmore branch. Those red carriages with wood and varnish, cream interiors and soft lighting were gorgeous. The jubilee trains were aluminium cans in comparison.

2H80vids

I wonder if another meaning of "fleet" was also being implied: would the Fleet Line be considered to be fleet, as in fast? On the map, is it officially described as "silver"? I've always thought of it as silver, rather than grey, but it shouldn't matter - unless you're a map printer.😁
Cheers for now,🍻
Dougie.
Oh P.S. "From de jaws of de fleet" - really?? My groan-o-meter nearly melted.😂

Eddie Tofpik

Just a thought that crossed my mind when watching your excellent video. Harlow Town Council have been talking about an extension to the Central Line to Harlow Town...and one of the comments I saw was that back in 1945/46, there was apparently an official proposal to extend the Central Line as far as Chelmsford. I was wondering if you'd heard of any such plan?

Mike Lewis

I remember that there was also opposition to the renaming from anti-monarchists, objecting to the reference to the queen. Some of them defaced Underground diagrams, changing Jubilee back to Fleet. I also remember seeing "Would jubilieve it?" scrawled on some of them.

Daniel Fuhrman

I know this video is almost 2 years old, but I have to say watching it today and hearing your comment at 5:05 gave me a laugh. I just read an article about how TfL will be allocating £4 million to naming the 6 Overground lines. Speaking of, is there any chance you could do a history of the Overground and how the line came to be (assuming you haven't done one already!)?

AKMu

Another excellent video, not sure if I am impressed or disgusted with all the puns in this but don't stop doing them! Thanks again.

W R

Thanks for your hard work, wit and humor. I appreciate your efforts.

Frank Mimnagh

Hello, Jago.
I cannot recall if you ever picked up on the trial tunnel that was built in south east london for the fleet line in the 70’s.
The tunnel was only a few hundred metres long and was built with a bentonite shield, which was a new type of tunnelling machine at that time?

BobComics

3y↑6

I must say that I was underwhelmed by the special announcement (although that’s really down to YouTube revealing the surprise a few days ago). I was so hoping for a guest appearance by Michael Portillo carrying that out of date book.

Brian Parker

3y↑1

Cutler and Portillo attended the same school.....i.e. mine!

Simon T

I was relieved when the announcement was being on the podcast. I had a bit of a heart murmur at the beginning when you referred to it.

I thought "Please dont leave YouTube for a hiatus, you arent allowed holidays..."

DAve Shillito

3y↑4

That final victory pun was just beautiful!

brianartillery

3y↑39

"Cutler, very obviously had the knives out for them..." (03:28) Like it, Mr Hazzard, that made me laugh. Nice one.
The only things I liked about 1977, were Punk, 'Star Wars', and 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind'. Oh, and two ice lollies made for the Jubilee, by Lyons Maid and Walls. Never really 'got' the whole idea about royalty, myself.

Andy Yu

3y↑3

"Cutler had the cutlery out for them" - fixed it for you

Simon Gleaden

3y↑2

The best thing about 1977 was England regaining the Ashes.

brianartillery

3y↑2

@Simon Gleaden - Forgot about that. Sorry.

TheClockwise770

3y↑3

And not forgetting the band Caravan's 2nd album

Andrew Nisbet

3y↑1

@Andy Yu An edgy comment

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Neil Le Milliere

3y↑66

Brilliant, just brilliant, "Jaws of Defleet" will definitely feature in future conversations!

Setha Nix

3y↑5

"One does not simply walk into Morden" is still on my conversations list ;)

Adam Henley

3y↑1

I wonder if any Grecian would use it at Gravesend & Northfleet? 🤔

Julian Evans

'Many wasted sandwiches'. The only meaningful result of the late cancellation of any meeting I've ever attended.

David Scott

This was not the only expensive politica renaming. The Central Electricity G enerating Board were building a pumped storage scheme in North Wales. It was named after the local quary Dinorwic . Now Dinorwic is the Anglicised name. The local Welsh name is Dinorwig. Halfway through construction it was decided to rename the site to Dinorwig. Every drawung, every switch label the switching WALL diagram AND LOADING DIAGRAM in NW HQ AND NATIONAL CONTRO;L and all the software simulation programmes had the C changed for a G

KravKernow

3y↑6

If you're going to talk about time travel, I hope Geoff Marshall does a video on how you can save a quid by travelling to the Renaissance via the Neolithic.

Kaitlyn L

3y↑1

And here I, a millennial, had genuinely thought it must have coincided with the Jubilee and been “silver” all along. Which is probably the outcome Cutler was really after — truth in the moment be damned, the fuzzy memory of popular history will assume the name must mean something.

When you’d said it was intended to be steel grey, I made fun of my imagined person at the time going “no no see we can call it silver because it’s the SILVER jubilee and that way we don’t need to redo the map that much” before you went on to go and say “come on it’s still grey”.

MJunction

Hey Jago, lovely as always. Could you do a video on why some lines (or sections or lines) are louder than others? If you haven’t done so already.

Adam Henley

I seem to remember there being lots of silver disks placed around London to reflect where the Queen had visited in 77 - I know there’s one at Tower Hill - wonder how many others there are still

John Kolassa

3y↑5

"Snatch victory from the jaws of defleet". These videos just get better and better.

G

3y↑1

Imagine saying “yeah I gotta take the fleet line” ..
Whewww what absolute scenes 😂😂😂 this was awesome! Thanks!!!!

Fluteboy

3y↑6

I dated the niece of Horace Cutler. She never really spoke highly of him! Horace's father built many of the 30's style housing in "Metro-land". All that identikit housing in Edgware, Kingsbury and Rayners Lane? Cutler housing.

notyhbynorthwest

3y↑2

I almost spat out my tea when you said that "London Transport snatched victory from the jaws of de-Fleet." That was just perfect.

H B

In the unlikely event that the Elizabeth Line opens in 2022, can we rename it the Platinum Jubilee Line ? I think it would be good to have two similarly named lines - it would give us boundless opportunities to send tourists in completely the wrong direction.

Christopher Luxford

I remember doing human reproduction at school in around 1979, and the teacher joked that ova travel along the fallopian tube because they don't know about the Jubilee Line.

William Becwar

Just catching up with this one... From an American perspective, there may be another good reason for avoiding the name "Fleet." Here, that is the name of a well-known brand of packaged enema, and association that name would bring on the sort of adolescent sniggering usually reserved for the station at Cockfosters and the planet Uranus. (No I don't know why that up yours product is called "Fleet." So it could be that there was a Doctor/Mister Fleet involved, or maybe the fleet refers to the speed said product does its work. There seems to be no association with the other sorts of fleet (Ships, airplanes, commercial vehicles, etc.). Actually, considering all the tabloids with headquarters in Fleet Street and the sort of journalism they produce, it would seem flushed with pride associations just seem to follow naturally (flow naturally?).

Jubilee is just associated with cherries.

Eser Armstrong

Actually only the district and met lines were named after the companies that built them, for example bakerloo is called bakeloo because it was first built between baker street and waterloo and the name bakerloo is a colloquial term that fell into common use.

John Jemmett

I find the reasoning behind the history of the underground very interesting and to see the sustem we have now thank you

Bob Blue West

3y↑1

Nigel Corbett

3y↑6

I’ve more! London Underground uses LCS codes (Location Coding System) to identify track and structures on its railway. Codes for structures on the Northern Line start with N, for the Central line they start with C etc. As I remember, the original Baker Street to Charing Cross structures all have a LCS code beginning with F, for Fleet Line, these codes are still used heavily today. On the extension to Stratford which came later they begin with J.
By 1977 this F code was on so many engineering drawings that it was impossible to change.

ZGryphon

2y↑2

Everyone's praising the "jaws of de Fleet" pun, and rightly so, but I just want to take a moment and point with a knowing smile at "Cutler very obviously had the knives out for them."

davesy

3y↑1

I remember hearing about a very narrow gauge railway that went round most of east london but can't find any info about it.

Henry VIII

perfect name. Always loved coming to London 1977 and seeing Her Majesty on Whitehall. Highlight of my youth. Will never forget that moment.

Brian Seaman

Were those wasted Horace Cutler sandwiches somehow spirited onto buffet cars leaving London's railway terminals? I often wondered at the time how such curly, dry bread and sweaty cheese could have come about!

Noel Bowman

Thank you once again . excelent use of such imaginative puns . I can hardly breathe!!!

Ranulf Doswell

3y↑1

The video would have been longer, but you know... time is fleeting.
I loved the "da fleet" joke BTW :D

Raphael Nikolaus

As I once commented under Geoff's video »Don't call Crossrail the Elizabeth line« (here only as an excerpt):
"TfL […] could change the colour of the Crossrail system (maybe just slightly) and change the colour of the Underground Jubilee line into that violet/purple of the 'Elizabeth line'. Why? Because I think a grey tone may indicate a paused or otherwise out of service line. I know, it is supposed to be Silver for the same Jubilee, but…
Furthermore, after having recoloured the Jubilee line into that purple colour, maybe they'll come up with the great idea of naming it after Her Majesty herself – the Elizabeth line. An Underground line. Formerly known as the Jubilee line. And all is (or are) well again. How about that?"
But that was back in 2017…

Feel free to (try and) find my completely original comment under said video. :)

Antony Di Cesare

What a midweek treat, superb as ever jago.

Far Niente

3y↑30

"fleeting event" Love it. Good job Jago.

Eddyspeeder

3y↑1

Score!

Railway Mania

3y↑8

Pun-tastic, thanks for being an awesome guest!

Fabrisse ter Brugghe

3y↑1

Of course the Stanmore to Charing Cross section already existed. My father took it daily when we lived in London in the late 1960s. At that point, it was still a section of the Bakerloo line.

Darren Gomes

3y↑1

The Baker Street to Charing Cross section was tunnelled in the ‘70s.

Ray Fisher

But the Baker St - Charing X section was already spoken for. So new tunnelling needed from Baker St.

Man Maje

I suppose the jubilee line being grey still works as it opened for the silver jubilee. We don’t have metallic colours on the map so it seems fitting to me.

Ray Fisher

But it didn't open for the Jubilee. Should have been called the Jubilee Plus Two line.

Maccification

Could you do a video about Victoria Coach Station? I know it's not Tube or even trains, but it's an impressive listed Art Deco building.

Andrew Gwilt

3y↑2

Maybe the Jubilee Line should of been called Millennium Line. As I was thinking of the Millennium Line. And it could of been extended to London City Airport from North Greenwich.

Coldclough

What would have been a more appropriate name for the line then relating to where it did go in the end?

Millennium line?

Colin Jones

The podcast is well worth a listen 👍

Gerry Mccartney

3y↑122

Victory from the jaws of defleet. So bad it is the best pun of the week.

PhatPhish

3y↑14

"Cutler having the knives out for them" definitely comes a close second

AaronOfMpls

3y↑8

Well, a good pun is its own re-word...

assortedpov

3y↑2

10/10 use of the phrase "absolute madlad".

Graham Davis

fascinating story I loved it, especially the occasional poke at the politicos of the day

Southern User

This makes me want to be on the Jubilee Line for 24 hours lol

Paul Goodman

3y↑1

I have asked (but have yet to get a response) if the majority of underground trains are automated and therefore run without a human controller/driver? For those of us on the other side of the pond it's still a pretty foreign concept. Any light to shed would be appreciated.

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I don't think there are any driverless trains (yet) on the London Tube.

Ray Fisher

@ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Victoria line was the first, though it keeps a man in the cab. DLR is also driverless.

Geoffrey Hansen

I like the name Fleet line. I love your sense of humour Jago.

Grimpeurs du Sud

Highbury and Islington Victoria Line enamel platform signs showed Green Park as a Fleet Line interchange in the 1980s

OfficialRyanx

3y↑115

“London transport actually stopped advertising the opening date because it was getting embarrassing…”
ahem, crossrail, crossrail, cough cough

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3y↑1

What about crossrail?

OfficialRyanx

3y↑5

@ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ A number of years behind schedule and opening… Dates given that came and went… multiple times…

John Murrell

3y↑2

You mean the Elizabeth the Third (of England) line I presume !!

OfficialRyanx

3y↑1

@John Murrell Yes, colloquially and widely acknowledge as Crossrail.

John Murrell

3y↑2

@OfficialRyanx Will it open before King George gets on the Throne ? Otherwise will there be pressure to rename it or else build another line quickly to be called 'The George Line' ??

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JM Tubbs

Residents of Jubilee Road are grateful for your qualifier. We'd hate to live somewhere that doesn't exist.

C2K

3y↑2

Soooooooo there's another place I can listen to Jago and others talking ( I imagine) both reverently and irrelevantly about trains. Well that's an hour or two of this week accounted for.

68Jaguar420G

Damn Jago, you were in fine form when scripting thus video 😎👌👍

Darren Gomes

3y↑2

About the renaming, should have used the headline about Johnson renaming Crossrail (a National Rail route) to the Elizabeth Line, treating it as a Tube line, when he was Mayor of London. Just like Horace Cutler, it was done as a publicity stunt. Sadiq Khan is planning to name the individual London Overground routes, as it’s becoming a network in its own right, to avoid confusion.

Ray Fisher

I thought it was called Crossrail to reflect how people felt at the constant delays in opening.

Robin Hull

Cutler, Chapman and Bennett. The 1970’s version of Wilson, Keppel and Betty!

Harry Harris

GREAT, LIGHT HEARTED, AND GOOD HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY LESSONS.

John Ledingham

Jaws of de-FLEET! (chuckle chortle) Love your sense of humour Jago, I really do!

April Banner

Always a pleasure to see these videos.

Andrew Gruffudd

I heard they were intent on calling it the Fleet line after a Ye Olde Fleet Inn, near Poultry, celebrated establishment of a real-life Mistress Quickly of Shakespearean notoriety. But then the gay lobby of the GLC complained suggesting that it was a pointed remark aimed at those of them who celebrated the sudden availability of matelots by exclaiming the fleet's in. And so it was repurposed for another kind of queen.

Peter Taylor

It's about time someone solved the Fenchurch St station connection problem. I use this station frequently and getting to/from it is a real misery.

Paul Turner

47w

This mainline station is always seems to be forgotten about everytime.

South Col

3y↑1

To further muddy the waters.... Horace Cutler entered local government in 1952 when he was elected as a councillor to Harrow Council. 1977, following the Tory GLC election win under his leadership, marked HIS silver jubilee in local government. This, rather than the minor matter of the Queen's accession to the throne, is the real reason for re-naming the Fleet Line as the Jubilee Line.

Coldclough

A conservative London leader who wastes money on self aggrandising projects that mean eff all? That sounds familiar

Organon

3y↑8

Phew, I've already heard the podcast. When he said he had an announcement I nearly sharted thinking Jago would tell us he had opened a portal to Phantom London and would descend to fight the spirit of Charles Yerkes and may be gone for some time.

Anthony Albence

3y↑3

Another great video! I also you on the podcast…you were great!

Michael C.

3y↑5

I have to say this does sound alarmingly similar to Crossrail/the Elizabeth Line. They both were:

- delayed so much they stopped advertising an opening date.
- renamed after the queen at the last minute meaning a whole bunch of signs had to be replaced.
- criticised for their cost.

Rosie Fay

3y↑1

Crossrail wasn't renamed the Elizabeth Line. Crossrail is a service and the Elizabeth Line is a line it uses. Like London Underground and the Jubilee Line.

Michael C.

3y↑2

@Rosie Fay I tend to agree, but it was originally going to be branded as Crossrail before they decided to 'rebrand' it. They have since had to rip out a load of signs which said 'Crossrail' and replacing them with signs that say 'Elizabeth Line'.

Si Hollett

3y↑2

@Rosie Fay Elizabeth Line is the service, and the line (and the mode, and the operator - they were a bit exuberant in the renaming) - Crossrail is just the project that built it.

AaronOfMpls

I'm still calling it CrossLizPurp like Geoff Marshall. 🙂

Casey Jones

Get your facts right, the Elizabeth Line opening date is currently being advertised as 14 May 2022

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cargy930

3y↑4

Top video, Wrighty!
As an early teenager transport nerd, I recall looking forward to the Fleet Line's opening because it was new and exciting (like me?). When they rechristened it, I was inexplicably disappointed and it somehow lost all of my enthusiasm. Even today, whenever I use the line's name I always insert an unspoken "meh" into its monikker.

John Hooper

The original route of the Fleet Line was better than the later Jubilee line as it served places like Fenchurch Street station and Ludgate Hill not served directly by tube or underground stations. The more direct route eastward would have benefitted commuters travelling from the new residential developments in Docklands too.The diversion south of the Thames to serve Waterloo station and then on to Canary Wharf was all about encouraging companies to move to Canary Wharf by providing a direct link from Waterloo station where trains from the up-market Surrey suburbs terminated. The Thatcher government was also more likely to fund a project that benefitted commerce than one that benefitted commuters The change of route also wasted the existing Charing Cross station on the Jubilee Line which closed after only a short existence as it was constructed as a temporary terminus with provision to serve through tracks going east not south at a later date.

Ian McClavin

3y↑1

One of the last remnants of "Fleet Line" signage was on the Piccadilly Line diagrams at King's Cross St.Pancras. They showed interchange with the "Fleet Line" at Green Park for many years, well into the 90's at least. I think they're gone now though.